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Posted: 7/1/2021 1:52:59 AM EDT
| I saw a few posts on Instagram of shipments in bound for retail, both full power and civilian. Who is thinking of taking the plunge? |
| Looks like existing orders are being upgraded so I should have one shortly. I'm already at 19+ weeks into the lead time and I've heard similar time frames for warranty claims. That alone would make the eye-safe version a hard pill to swallow. I had to use B.E. Meyers' warranty several years ago and they had me squared away in about two weeks if memory serves. |
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Quoted: Does anyone have the inside scoop? According to Wilcox's website, these are intended for "assault and crew served weapons". Is this true? What exactly is it that you want to know? Wilcox announced some time back that they were shifting from the original RAID-X configuration to an Xe variant, which institutes some production, materials, electronics/programming/networking changes, but no expected changes to downrange performance or ergonomics, mostly just production changes and adding yet more features onto the RAID-X's feature-set. Wilcox paused deliveries and in some cases even orders for the RAID-X pending the production changes to the Xe variant, all the announcement is saying is that RAID orders will once again be shipping in the Xe variant, IIRC with the black housing / Red VIS aiming laser first. However, they are still Class IIIB lasers, and still restricted to government sales at this time. Beyond that, the RAID / RAID-X / RAID-Xe is a Class IIIB MFAL that was originally designed to the same requirements as the L3Harris NGAL and B. E. Meyers MAWL-DA, that is to say, an improved product replacement for the legacy LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL. There is, as has been alluded to, an ES ("Eye Safe") version of the RAID-Xe forthcoming, but shareable details other than "it's coming" are sparse at this time. ~Augee |
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Quoted: What exactly is it that you want to know? Wilcox announced some time back that they were shifting from the original RAID-X configuration to an Xe variant, which institutes some production, materials, electronics/programming/networking changes, but no expected changes to downrange performance or ergonomics, mostly just production changes and adding yet more features onto the RAID-X's feature-set. Wilcox paused deliveries and in some cases even orders for the RAID-X pending the production changes to the Xe variant, all the announcement is saying is that RAID orders will once again be shipping in the Xe variant, IIRC with the black housing / Red VIS aiming laser first. However, they are still Class IIIB lasers, and still restricted to government sales at this time. Beyond that, the RAID / RAID-X / RAID-Xe is a Class IIIB MFAL that was originally designed to the same requirements as the L3Harris NGAL and B. E. Meyers MAWL-DA, that is to say, an improved product replacement for the legacy LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL. There is, as has been alluded to, an ES ("Eye Safe") version of the RAID-Xe forthcoming, but shareable details other than "it's coming" are sparse at this time. ~Augee Just looking at the Wilcox site and the body appeared to have been changed from the old body? Not sure if I was looking at the same thing. |
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Quoted: I don't have the funds to get one at the moment, but interested to see how everyone likes them. MAWL-C is amazing, but the size and shape is kind of awkward. I'm in the same boat, I'm currently running a FP Peq 15 but was saving my coin for a MAWL. I like the top rail mount vs/offset of the MAWL and think if this is similar in performance it may be just what I'm looking for. |
Believe it or not, the MAWL has one of the most ergonomic setups I own, and has more features than a DBAL. When I first used it under NV I was blown away at both the range (3 Settings Thumb Ready) and the Brightness! We all have our own opinions of "Best" but for a Commercial Item, this one takes the trophy! 
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Quoted: Believe it or not, the MAWL has one of the most ergonomic setups I own, and has more features than a DBAL. When I first used it under NV I was blown away at both the range (3 Settings Thumb Ready) and the Brightness! We all have our own opinions of "Best" but for a Commercial Item, this one takes the trophy! Agree completely. I’ve tried them all. MAWL is the apex predator in performance AND ergonomics. |
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Quoted: That and the delay between hitting the fire button and actually firing. Mine now sits on a .22 AR. If the c1 Raid's illuminator is more like the one on the c1 MAWL then I'd be interested. Quoted: Quoted: I have a class 1 RAPTAR. The illumination is… lacking. That and the delay between hitting the fire button and actually firing. Mine now sits on a .22 AR. If the c1 Raid's illuminator is more like the one on the c1 MAWL then I'd be interested. The delay doesn’t bother me in the least. Except when I haven’t handled it in a while and I forget there is a delay. Then I just feel dumb. |
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Quoted: The MAWL is great for strong side shooting, but when you transition to support side, the ergo becomes a hinderence. Agree to an extent. Though I use the buttons on the Unit most often, I do have it connected to a TAPS Switch. That should aid anyone using "Support" side shooting. (Learned long ago its not "Weak" side) ...However, after a few mishaps activating my White Light I took a friend's advice and picked up an IR Head for my Modlite - and he was kind enough to offer me a Surefire with both! THANKS APEC!! |
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I believe so. Wilcox loves their odd connectors, and the RAID-Xe's got a lot of features that need to be supported, and IIRC it may double as a data port as well, but it has been admittedly a little bit since I have discussed the Xe in detail and the final production configuration. More information will be forthcoming as production units begin circulating. The (now) "legacy" RAID-X used a standard Crane connector. ~Augee |
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Was just watching this and remembered this Thread so thought I'd drop it in for kicks. It's on the "Regular" RAID so let's see what the Xe brings and hope we all get one soon! Kinetic Consulting on The RAID ...Not sure I've heard the word "cool" more times since the 1970s! (Ugh) |
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Quoted: Was just watching this and remembered this Thread so thought I'd drop it in for kicks. It's on the "Regular" RAID so let's see what the Xe brings and hope we all get one soon! Kinetic Consulting on The RAID ...Not sure I've heard the word "cool" more times since the 1970s! (Ugh) Right off the bat the dude says “The RAID-X is Wilcox’s 1st attempt at a LAM.” LOLWHUT |
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Quoted: Right off the bat the dude says “The RAID-X is Wilcox’s 1st attempt at a LAM.” LOLWHUT After I posted that and went back to watch it for a 2nd time I almost went back and removed it. It was THAT irritating! lol. Out of curiosity, what was the very first Wilcox made? Mk23? Nightstalker? I'm anxious to see which Models will come out soon. Was told September timeframe. I can't seem to find a comparison between the regular X and the Xe. Anyone able to post a link for this? BTW- had to look that one up!  Attached File |
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I liked his general observations about the RaidX, but that really made me double take. The RAPTAR is fairly well known, especially the versions designed for ranging. The BOSS 300 and BOSSE should be very well known to people who teach CQB. Those are the recent generation of Wilcox LAMs. There were several before that including the Nightstalker. |
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Quoted: Any news on the Raid Xe? I see that VCSEL technology is mentioned in regards to it. Does that mean the C1 illuminator will have the same throw as the C1 MAWL? Per my seller we're looking at mid-end of October. PM me if you wish since I can't answer your tech question.
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Quoted: Any news on the Raid Xe? I see that VCSEL technology is mentioned in regards to it. Does that mean the C1 illuminator will have the same throw as the C1 MAWL? The gen 1 raid, ngal, and mawl all have VCSEL ir illuminators. Its not a tech proprietary to BE meyers. |
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Quoted: The gen 1 raid, ngal, and mawl all have VCSEL ir illuminators. Its not a tech proprietary to BE meyers. |
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Quoted: True, but Wilcox doesn't always make the most sensible decisions. For example, both the eye-safe visible pointer and the eye-safe IR VCSEL illuminator settings on the RAID-X cap out at 0.7 mW. Just pointing out a fact so if you'er in the market for any of these, dont make vcsel a major factor. I think thats subjective, the IR illum Lo set to spill is more than enough for indoors personally, but of course to each their own. |
Long ass lead-time either way.
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