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Posted: 8/5/2015 9:55:06 PM EDT
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hello i have kinda of odd qouestion but does anyone know how many if any sig brevet bergmann 1920/1930 smg's are on the nfa registry? i found a 50rd mag for one and was looking how much its worth but didnt a thing and now i see why there rare guns to start with so it got me thinking how many are in the states if any at all.
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hello i have kinda of odd qouestion but does anyone know how many if any sig brevet bergmann 1920/1930 smg's are on the nfa registry? i found a 50rd mag for one and was looking how much its worth but didnt a thing and now i see why there rare guns to start with so it got me thinking how many are in the states if any at all. thanks We don't even know for sure how many MGs are in the registry let alone individual types of firearms. |
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Total in registry: 182,619, in August, 2007 per Mr. Ken Houchens, BATF. (Fewer by about 30 now due to the MAC plate transfer debacle, and there probably have been some destroyed by fire, accident, neglect, or other loss). These are the numbers as I recorded them from a discussion on the Subguns.com Website back in 2008. There may be new estimates now. MAC family: 38K; M16 family: 40K-50K; HK sears: 8.5K; Thompsons: 6K; FNC sears: 3K; Uzis: 8K (3.4K are Group/Vector); and Reisings: 8K-10K.
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Total in registry: 182,619, in August, 2007 per Mr. Ken Houchens, BATF. (Fewer by about 30 now due to the MAC plate transfer debacle, and there probably have been some destroyed by fire, accident, neglect, or other loss). These are the numbers as I recorded them from a discussion on the Subguns.com Website back in 2008. There may be new estimates now. MAC family: 38K; M16 family: 40K-50K; HK sears: 8.5K; Thompsons: 6K; FNC sears: 3K; Uzis: 8K (3.4K are Group/Vector); and Reisings: 8K-10K. MHO, YMMV, etc. Fewer today by many, many, many tens of thousands of MGs. The Registry simply lists all the MGs which have been registered since 1934. Consider: -- Thousands have been quietly destroyed since 1934 by heirs who did not know they were legal guns. But they are still on the Registry. -- Thousands of MGs registered in the 1930's and 1940's are still registered to their original owners. Think about that: How many of those owners are still alive? And if they are not, by now the paper trail is gone and they are contraband. -- Tens of thousands are registered to museums -- the Smithsonian, the NRA museum, Knight museum -- and will never be sold to the public again. They exist, but you will never get a chance to buy them. -- Tens of thousands are registered to LE agencies which, by policy dictates of antigun city councils, may not be sold or traded to dealers for resale to non-LE. -- Tens of thousands are still in inventory at federal gov agencies and will, under federal administration rules, never be released to the public. The DEA has many, but so do other .gov agencies. The bottom line is the actual number of transferables which will ever be available to us is much smaller. From my research, I'd estimate there are fewer than 80k MGs which we might ever be able to buy. Your Mileage May Vary. 
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I've had daydreams of New York City selling off their collection of thousands of prestine (hey, I said it's a daydream) machine guns languishing in the police armory on Rickers island. Just imagine the rows upon rows of thompsons and what not. Back when GM Hydramatic finished their one U.S. contract for M16s, they took all the overruns -- estimated to be in the thousands -- and gave them to the City of Detroit PD. Yes, they were registered and transferable. They sat in a warehouse, unfired, for decades, while SOTs tried to wheedle them out of the city. Then, a few years ago, on city orders, they were all fed into chippers and destroyed. AFAIK, not a single M16 or component survived. It was probably the largest mass destruction of transferable MGs in U.S. history.
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Back when GM Hydramatic finished their one U.S. contract for M16s, they took all the overruns -- estimated to be in the thousands -- and gave them to the City of Detroit PD. Yes, they were registered and transferable. They sat in a warehouse, unfired, for decades, while SOTs tried to wheedle them out of the city. Then, a few years ago, on city orders, they were all fed into chippers and destroyed. AFAIK, not a single M16 or component survived. It was probably the largest mass destruction of transferable MGs in U.S. history. Quoted:
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I've had daydreams of New York City selling off their collection of thousands of prestine (hey, I said it's a daydream) machine guns languishing in the police armory on Rickers island. Just imagine the rows upon rows of thompsons and what not. Back when GM Hydramatic finished their one U.S. contract for M16s, they took all the overruns -- estimated to be in the thousands -- and gave them to the City of Detroit PD. Yes, they were registered and transferable. They sat in a warehouse, unfired, for decades, while SOTs tried to wheedle them out of the city. Then, a few years ago, on city orders, they were all fed into chippers and destroyed. AFAIK, not a single M16 or component survived. It was probably the largest mass destruction of transferable MGs in U.S. history. And BTW, this occurred while the City of Detroit was in bankruptcy court. Sigh. |
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I've had daydreams of New York City selling off their collection of thousands of prestine (hey, I said it's a daydream) machine guns languishing in the police armory on Rickers island. Just imagine the rows upon rows of thompsons and what not. Back when GM Hydramatic finished their one U.S. contract for M16s, they took all the overruns -- estimated to be in the thousands -- and gave them to the City of Detroit PD. Yes, they were registered and transferable. They sat in a warehouse, unfired, for decades, while SOTs tried to wheedle them out of the city. Then, a few years ago, on city orders, they were all fed into chippers and destroyed. AFAIK, not a single M16 or component survived. It was probably the largest mass destruction of transferable MGs in U.S. history. And BTW, this occurred while the City of Detroit was in bankruptcy court. Sigh. Yeah that could have been tens of millions of dollars. |
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Back when GM Hydramatic finished their one U.S. contract for M16s, they took all the overruns -- estimated to be in the thousands -- and gave them to the City of Detroit PD. Yes, they were registered and transferable. They sat in a warehouse, unfired, for decades, while SOTs tried to wheedle them out of the city. Then, a few years ago, on city orders, they were all fed into chippers and destroyed. AFAIK, not a single M16 or component survived. It was probably the largest mass destruction of transferable MGs in U.S. history. Quoted:
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I've had daydreams of New York City selling off their collection of thousands of prestine (hey, I said it's a daydream) machine guns languishing in the police armory on Rickers island. Just imagine the rows upon rows of thompsons and what not. Back when GM Hydramatic finished their one U.S. contract for M16s, they took all the overruns -- estimated to be in the thousands -- and gave them to the City of Detroit PD. Yes, they were registered and transferable. They sat in a warehouse, unfired, for decades, while SOTs tried to wheedle them out of the city. Then, a few years ago, on city orders, they were all fed into chippers and destroyed. AFAIK, not a single M16 or component survived. It was probably the largest mass destruction of transferable MGs in U.S. history. Whoever ordered that should be prosecuted for destruction of public property. That makes me absolutely sick. |
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hello i have kinda of odd qouestion but does anyone know how many if any sig brevet bergmann 1920/1930 smg's are on the nfa registry? i found a 50rd mag for one and was looking how much its worth but didnt a thing and now i see why there rare guns to start with so it got me thinking how many are in the states if any at all. thanks You should post this question to subguns.com. Bob Naess likely knows the answer and will chime in. |
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