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Posted: 12/22/2012 2:51:11 PM EDT
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Reloading components have joined the panic buying along with semi auto rifles and certain ammunition.
While all guns/ammo/components have been selling like crazy things closest to 223 have been nuts. 
Most primers are out of stock at Powder valley and so are many powders. I felt a little stupid over stocking up for the election panic that did not happen but now that this mess has come about I know I have enough powder/primers/bullets to last 10-15 years and I shoot a lot. Not trying to feed the panic buying but check the sites and report inventory so people here looking for things don't have to go to the auctions where insanity is the new logic 
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Not trying to feed the panic buying but check the sites and report inventory so people here looking for things don't have to go to the auctions where insanity is the new logic
Wulfmann Yup. I topped off on a couple of things the other day and am good for - um - quite a while  It wasn't easy to find, though... I'd suggest that if you need anything, find it now if you still can!
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| I feel pretty comfortable with my 223 supply but of course a little more always feels good. I haven't been able to find any SPP or once fired brass at the normal websites I check. Oh well, I've got enough to last me through this cycle. I feel for those just trying to get into reloading and can't find the components they've decided on using. |
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Consider yourself lucky. Only one of my Local Gun Stores carries reloading components and he always has a very limited supply. Two days ago he had CCI 450's for $36.99 per k and random 100 packs of SPM and Federal Large Rifle. He did have a couple pounds of CFE223 and H335 though for $23.99. Oh yeah he was also selling 700 Mixed headstamp 223 range pickups for $99.00  . They were gone the next day.
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Consider yourself lucky. Only one of my Local Gun Stores carries reloading components and he always has a very limited supply. Two days ago he had CCI 450's for $36.99 per k and random 100 packs of SPM and Federal Large Rifle. He did have a couple pounds of CFE223 and H335 though for $23.99. Oh yeah he was also selling 700 Mixed headstamp 223 range pickups for $99.00 . They were gone the next day.wow, i must be getting a hell of a deal on my range pickup brass. i buy from a local couple here .223 for $40/1000
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I am looking closer to source points and when Powder Valley and Hi tech ammo are going out of stock with more items by the hour the trickle down effect at LGS will come.
Hopefully there will be some reasonable pull back on the anti-gun rhetoric that will calm some of the panic and before it disrupts the supply chain to badly Hopefully so we don't have to 
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| I've been telling my buddy for months that he needs to learn to reload. He asked me today for help. I told him NOW is the worst time to get into it because components are out from all the usual suspects. He asked to sell some of my stock to him. I told him I would sell based on what it would cost me to replace, NOT what I paid for them. He's actually thinking about it. |
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Grafs locally was low or out of most popular powder, primers, and bullets when I had been in there. Another local shop with components had pretty fair amount and was normalish pricing... but it was going fast the owner said. Which store? Graf's Reloading (Mike's store) was flush with everything last Tuesday night. |
| In the Sacramento , California area I was at the sportman's warehous in rocklin and thier entire stock of small rifle primers was gone and there was a sign on the shelf saying 1 k primers per customer. had an ok selection of bullets. Another local spot called wildsports I called them in the parking lot of sportsmans and they had 2 bricks of small rifle primer left the guy held 1 brick for me cause they were limiting also and by the time I got there the other brick had sold and he said 4-5 peopel wanted the last brick he was holding for me. they were pretty picked over for bullets though and powder he said was getting low |
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Quoted: Welcome aboard.In the Sacramento , California area I was at the sportman's warehous in rocklin and thier entire stock of small rifle primers was gone and there was a sign on the shelf saying 1 k primers per customer. had an ok selection of bullets. Another local spot called wildsports I called them in the parking lot of sportsmans and they had 2 bricks of small rifle primer left the guy held 1 brick for me cause they were limiting also and by the time I got there the other brick had sold and he said 4-5 peopel wanted the last brick he was holding for me. they were pretty picked over for bullets though and powder he said was getting low  |
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Grafs locally was low or out of most popular powder, primers, and bullets when I had been in there. Another local shop with components had pretty fair amount and was normalish pricing... but it was going fast the owner said. Which store? Graf's Reloading (Mike's store) was flush with everything last Tuesday night. Last Thursday, Grafs in St. Charles (presumably that is Mike's store, I am not really talkative to anyone there cause I am newer to this so I do more listening than talking in those places)... they only had a couple 100 bags of their house 55gr bullets for .223, cci 400 primers were sold out, cci 450's were about gone, etc. |
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Long before the election and Newtown several situations existed.
Wincehster has not been shipping or ? producing brass in several common calibers, this goes back to early spring. Like common 308 Win brass. CCI had not been shipping CCI 500 primers since way early this spring. Now, there is not really any shortages of powder so to speak. Small Primers have dried up at most wholesale outlets. But,if you add in the fact that CCI has not been shipping 500's makes for tough situation. Of course a couple things to consider...look for small pistol magnun primers or look for CCI APS primers...you can always punch out the primers from the strips. You have to also consider that some local to you vendors at subject to the amount of powder they can store on site. That the most powder that can be shipped via UPS or Fex is limited to 50# and commercial truck is 100#, and that is not that much powder. Of course if a local vendor deals with a supplier that runs their own truck then powder shipments can be larger. And, a powder order can get eaten up with large containers...8# and 5# jugs Then with the recent snow storm gumming up the transportation and factor in the Holiday season there are many issues to compound things. |
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Then you have to take into account that the bullet manufacturers have production schedules....
Take Hornady for example.....if a buyer this is direct with Hornady wants 22 Cal 55gr FMJ's there is 10-12 week back order period and even longer for 55gr SP's/ And, many bullets are seasonal to begin with. Not like vendors have machines dedicated to each bullet in their catalog. Then the more specialized the bullet the longer the dry spells between production runs. All you have to do is look at Berger for an example of that. Then when you want brass... well...hold onto your hats....especally Nosler it can take 8 months to get brass from Nosler, as they are just buy brass made by another producer ie Federal or Norma with the Nosler Headstamp. And, then Nosler does their prep work and packaging. So some people are giving more credit to the Prez then perhaps is due. |
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Went to my lgs to get small pistol primers only thing I was low on. All sold out :( never purchased online before any suggestions? If you 'must' make a primer purchase online - Dont F around buying a few hundred or so... You need to buy in bulk to save any real money after considering the hazmat fee that will get added to your order. When I order stuff like that online - I plan to spend $500.00 or more before checking out to make sure the hazmat fee is somewhat absorbed. At my local SWarehouse the other day the shelves were getting bare FAST. I started talking to another shopper and found out he was a new reloader with a few 9mm handguns and a new Dillon progressive reloader set up for 9mm. Poor guy was shopping for primers in the section where they sold the boxes of 100. 
I directed him over a bit to the section that had the 1000 ct boxes and pointed out the last 2 boxes of Federal smallpistolprimers they had. I explained to him that he would really make his progressive press angry if he sat down to reload with only a few hundred primers... 
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| I was at Palmetto State Armory's retail store in Columbia on Friday. Very crowded, but the shelves were totally full of powders, bullets, CCI & Federal primers. The gun counter was 2-3 people deep and the register had about 10 people in line, but nobody was looking at reloading gear or components. |
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I've been wanting to reload for a long time..... Slowly been picking stuff up off EE and pulled the trigger on a press a month ago... Now I can't get much to work loads up.... I'm just gonna be paciant and work loads up VERY carefully and with as much advise from the people on here as possible.
I'm not a guy who wants a mommy to hold my hand but I want to be as eficiant as possible with my limited supplies. Thanks again to everyone who offers words of advise! |
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I've been wanting to reload for a long time..... Slowly been picking stuff up off EE and pulled the trigger on a press a month ago... Now I can't get much to work loads up.... I'm just gonna be paciant and work loads up VERY carefully and with as much advise from the people on here as possible. I'm not a guy who wants a mommy to hold my hand but I want to be as eficiant as possible with my limited supplies. Thanks again to everyone who offers words of advise! I would buy the book of the bullet manufacturer. It's not just for beginners, I consult my Sierra book whenever I consider a change. You can also call the bullet manufacturer and they will help you out. |
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I've been wanting to reload for a long time..... Slowly been picking stuff up off EE and pulled the trigger on a press a month ago... Now I can't get much to work loads up.... I'm just gonna be paciant and work loads up VERY carefully and with as much advise from the people on here as possible. I'm not a guy who wants a mommy to hold my hand but I want to be as eficiant as possible with my limited supplies. Thanks again to everyone who offers words of advise! This too shall pass. Component makers will continue to make bullets/powder/primers and sooner or later, stuff will be in stock again. Just resist the urge to buy stuff now. A lot of people cannot do that. |
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This spike may be short lived but may be twice as bad if Bidon's group comes out with suggestions that restrict component sales be it online direct to consumer sales or a heavy tax or who knows what.
It is hard for me to recommend buying anything under these conditions and I have suggested to my friends to hold and wait but also remind them my advice is free and worth every cent they paid for it so do what feels right for them. I sold a bunch of ammo (  to those that were hoping those of us that overstocked got stuck with it and lost money, Ka-Ching) but am holding my capacity to reload and I have kept 60%+ of my ammo as well
These are the times that try reloader's components 
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I was at Palmetto State Armory's retail store in Columbia on Friday. Very crowded, but the shelves were totally full of powders, bullets, CCI & Federal primers. The gun counter was 2-3 people deep and the register had about 10 people in line, but nobody was looking at reloading gear or components. Same at our new Cabelas. I think they were just waiting around to see if an AR15 would be put on the shelf. Meanwhile I was grabbing powder like it was going out of style. |
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I'm pretty well stocked, but have been looking to pick up some additional powder and 224 projectiles as several close friends have recently found themselves ammo poor and suddenly desirous of "learning about reloading" on my dillon to pad their personal stocks. I had 4.5 kegs (1.5 TAC, 2 8208, 1 CFE) which, for my 223's and 308's is normally a very sufficient buffer for me personally, but when 3 people are asking if they could put together 2k each, that suddenly looks pretty slim. I also have plenty of projos for personal use but, again, take 6k out of the cabinet and it starts invading my zombie stash of hard-to-find stuff like TBBC's, Gold Dots and Barnes.
I have no local shops that stock components in any serious amount, so I'm basically limited to online only. Looking over the last two days, most 8lbs of my go-to AR powders are out at the major retailers and I don't particularly like the idea of drop shipping through midway. The places that do have stock are all advertising 2+ week shipping delays. I finally managed to get an order of CFE from Recobs, which was the first time I have used them. As for as projos, Hornady and Nosler 55, 75 and 77's are also tough to find in any quantity. I found no bulk boxes of 55 or 75 hornadys, but I do have someone with a distributor connection looking at the 75s for me. Regardless, I eventually ordered 6k of the Nosler 77's from Hi-Tech, but no indication if they're actually in stock as I don't think they use real-time inventory tracking. Wideners was the only other place I saw with any listed stock, but I really don't have time to drive up for in-store purchase and didn't want to wait a month for shipping. I'll call tomorrow if I can and see what I can firm up. Finally, I am glad I stacked deep on Wideners recent second stocking of the KVM223s, which should give me a good stock (40k) to see me through the lean times. For anyone doubting there is a run coming on components following the present ammo crunch, check out the Gunbroker component auctions. 1k of pulled ss109s are selling for 200 while 1k of LC 55gr is going for 130+. 1x 223 brass is going for 100+/k! There are no 6k bulk boxes of Hornady's anywhere, so there's no sense in really looking past the premium components right now if you're looking to buy. Most here are good at keeping a larder of components after the 2008 scare, which is what actually got me into reloading in the first place, but I would recommend filling out your stocks sooner rather than later. I personally want 3k of large rifle primers, but really would prefer to trade for them with stock I already have locally to save on shipping and there's been no joy there thus far. |
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This spike may be short lived but may be twice as bad if Bidon's group comes out with suggestions that restrict component sales be it online direct to consumer sales or a heavy tax or who knows what. It is hard for me to recommend buying anything under these conditions and I have suggested to my friends to hold and wait but also remind them my advice is free and worth every cent they paid for it so do what feels right for them. I sold a bunch of ammo ( to those that were hoping those of us that overstocked got stuck with it and lost money, Ka-Ching) but am holding my capacity to reload and I have kept 60%+ of my ammo as well
These are the times that try reloader's components
Wulfmann Pretty sure I viewed some of your IMI 855 auctions and recognized your name.
Crazy times indeed. |
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Pretty sure I viewed some of your IMI 855 auctions and recognized your name.
Crazy times indeed. I use the same nick on every site no matter what forum type, gaming, guns, computers you name it always Wulfmann so for better or worse people know it's me On the IMI M193 (Only had 2 1/2 cases of M855, bought mostly Win-Ranger in that)I have been letting winning bidders double the order and I pay the extra shipping and so far both guys jumped at that Wulfmann |
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I checked Powder Valley and in primers they have LP but almost nothing else
In powder if it loads 223 they are out but one step up and they have powder. By that I mean no W748 but they have 760 No H335/322 but they have H380. No AA2200/2230 but they have 2495 No R15 of AR Comp but others yes etc etc I remember doing a back and forth with the nice guys at Hi-tech and they told me they have so much WC844 I should not worry about getting some whenever I needed some. They are now out of stock I was concerned I had bought too much ammo (from a normal guy viewpoint not the few that have hundreds of thousands or millions of rounds) but apparently I should have bought 5 times what I did. i would certainly have made a few bucks instead of selling off half my ammo and keeping the other half free. Not complaining and I am delighted and feel fortunate but an opportunity missed for some serious coin that is for sure Wulfmann |
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I was glad to see a box arrive from Grafs that I ordered 3 weeks ago. I knew I had restocked my rimfire stuff, but forgot that I ordered 2000 9mm 124gr plated bullets. Happy days! I still have 20000+ primers from the first bad election 4 yrs ago. I ordered them on the night of the election before they became vaporware. |
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I checked Powder Valley and in primers they have LP but almost nothing else I remember doing a back and forth with the nice guys at Hi-tech and they told me they have so much WC844 I should not worry about getting some whenever I needed some. They are now out of stock [span style='font-weight: bold;']Wulfmann Is that something they recently said. I called a few weeks ago on 844 and they told me they took it out of stock on the site so they could catch up with all the panic orders when Obama won, but they had plenty left in stock. Said they would put it back up when they got caught up. |
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While I have a decent stash on hand, I need to increase my supplies for 223. Only have around 2500 projectiles on hand. Was going to order more from hi-tech along with powder and primers but appears that idea is out the window for now Hopefully things stabilize in a month or two. |
I'm lucky I still have my 2003 stash I haven't touched But, I'm buying a few primers and bullets to top off. I have bulk powder and crates of brass from my time shooting military competition. I guess I could make 6-7 k of ammo if I needed to. One change, i will begin to pick up my 9mm and 5.56 brass again. 
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I checked Powder Valley and in primers they have LP but almost nothing else In powder if it loads 223 they are out but one step up and they have powder. By that I mean no W748 but they have 760 No H335/322 but they have H380. No AA2200/2230 but they have 2495 No R15 of AR Comp but others yes etc etc I remember doing a back and forth with the nice guys at Hi-tech and they told me they have so much WC844 I should not worry about getting some whenever I needed some. They are now out of stock I was concerned I had bought too much ammo (from a normal guy viewpoint not the few that have hundreds of thousands or millions of rounds) but apparently I should have bought 5 times what I did. i would certainly have made a few bucks instead of selling off half my ammo and keeping the other half free. Not complaining and I am delighted and feel fortunate but an opportunity missed for some serious coin that is for sure Wulfmann Did you stop to think the day will come when your sorry you sold it now and not later??
I don't see this coming to an end anytime soon. Only time will tell and even at that it could be a year out. That's barring very many more crazy forker's coming out of the wood work too. I have some extra factory ammo and have yet to sell one rnd.
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I checked Powder Valley and in primers they have LP but almost nothing else In powder if it loads 223 they are out but one step up and they have powder. By that I mean no W748 but they have 760 No H335/322 but they have H380. No AA2200/2230 but they have 2495 No R15 of AR Comp but others yes etc etc I remember doing a back and forth with the nice guys at Hi-tech and they told me they have so much WC844 I should not worry about getting some whenever I needed some. They are now out of stock I was concerned I had bought too much ammo (from a normal guy viewpoint not the few that have hundreds of thousands or millions of rounds) but apparently I should have bought 5 times what I did. i would certainly have made a few bucks instead of selling off half my ammo and keeping the other half free. Not complaining and I am delighted and feel fortunate but an opportunity missed for some serious coin that is for sure Wulfmann Did you stop to think the day will come when your sorry you sold it now and not later??
I don't see this coming to an end anytime soon. Only time will tell and even at that it could be a year out. That's barring very many more crazy forker's coming out of the wood work too. I have some extra factory ammo and have yet to sell one rnd.
I think that we're going to see two waves and one of them crested over the weekend. This was the initial shock. I now predict that we will see things calm down (somewhat) at a higher price point for the next several weeks until we get around to formal voting on any of the bills. I think that will bring about wave two, the magnitude of which will be determined by what is on the table and what the likelihood of passage is. I'm selling off a little here and little there, while at the same time restocking some things that I think will either (1) have residual value after this passes or (2) increase in price even faster during wave 2. So far, I've unloaded some $50 lowers for $500, some $17 mags for $100+ (308 pmags) and some useless uppers for $1500 (in packages with some mags and ammo). These are all excellent flips for me, and I've speculated with more components, more high cap mags (including a real long shot on some $4 thermolds) and some other pieces that I think will do really well. My wife's trust in my financial judgment has gone from shaky at best to pure amazement. I could sell her oceanfront property in Arizona or a bridge in New York right now. |
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BTW, here's a great example of a pure panic play on reloading components. This is 3x what this lot is worth.
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Hi Tech did pull WC844 to get caught up and now have sold out.
I do not know if they got so many orders they pulled it again but what is referred to as the election pull was done and this is not that pull. Let us hope they pulled it again but at some point there will be an end to WC844 and WC846 I am not in the ammo business or really any business. This is a hobby i am happy with cashing in now and getting half my ammo for free (all that is left.) + some cash I don't even shoot factory ammo except for testing to insure what works well or not. While I would say yes I would have wished I had waited if things double again. But, what if things subside and prices return to half what I got for these recent sell offs? Crystal ball required and I don't have one so it is anyone's guess Wulfmann |
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BTW, here's a great example of a pure panic play on reloading components. This is 3x what this lot is worth. Gunbroker Wow and I was getting $7.00 per 100 at the last gun show for bags of cleaned sorted same head stamp 223 like Remington, Federal, PMC and Lake City. I was getting $5.00 per 100 of mixed HS I think I will ask $10.00 out the door for this weekend's show and I bet these will no longer be left on the ground at our club so might be better off keeping them than selling them Wulfmann |
| In a way i kick myself and in a way I dont. I got alittle extra spending $ last paycheck and it was right before this whole mag/gun thing went crazy. Something told me to stock up so I did. i got 5k small rifle/pistol and large rifle/pistol, 8 lbs of tite group and 40 lbs of xbr. I got more then enough bullets but the ONLY thing I couldnt find is m855 223 bullets. I have some fmj's but wanted to get 1-2k m855's (new or 2nds) but all the places i go are dried up or havent gotten back to me yet. Only thing that sucks is we r going to disneyland/seaworld in 2 weeks.. probably could have used the $ there more. oh well. |
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