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Posted: 7/17/2004 2:43:17 PM EDT
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I was thinking about getting a second hand Remington Auto and working it up into a "tactical" gun. Has anyone done this? I did a sweep of the pawnshops in my area today, and came up with a few 1100s. What is the normal going rate on a used one? Is the 1100 okay for this kind of conversion, or would I need to find an 11-87? Once complete the plan is to spray paint it. Does anyone know if this could lead to problems with function? |
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Going price for a good used 1100 in my area(upstate NY) is between $200 to $300, depending on condition, barrel configuration, and just how sweet of a deal you happen to luck into... I bought a fairly "low mileage" 1100 with a little "character" last summer for $225, shipped... I touched up a couple of scratches in the bluing, and refinished the furniture - and now have a nice 1100 for fairly cheap, IMO... For "tactical" purposes(you know, when your LIFE may depend on it), I prefer an 870 over ANY other make shotgun - as do MANY pros... Even the best running auto loader can still jam, but a slick pump in skilled hands is a 100% sure thing... As for the choice between an 1100 and an 1187, IMO the 1100's gas system is more reliable, the 1100 is usually about 1/2lb lighter, and has a better balance, to my preferences... Most 1100s DON'T shoot 3 inchers, and all 1187s DO, but 3" capability isn't much of a concern in a combat type shotgun, as far as I'm concerned... I use my 1100 for trap shooting, and a little still hunting now and then - my 870s can, and HAVE done it all... Just my thoughts on the matter... YMMV - georgestrings |
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I did exactly what you are talking about doing. I'm just waiting on the Speedfeed stock and it should be good to go. I had a barrel chopped to 21", put on a Wilson Combat mag extension, and added a oversize bolt knob. In the beginning I had issues with the gun cycling because the barrel was chopped. I did some research and found that I needed to open the gas ports. I did just that and its been 100% reliable since then with everything I've feed it including 6 shot, 8 shot, and buckshot.
Lots of people say that but they still put their lives on semi-auto rifles and pistols, I dont get it. If a semi has proved itself reliable in training and testing then use it. I can double tap buckshot with my 1100, lets see that done with a pump  Nothing like sending 8 rounds of buckshot down range withing a second or two. |
You can make the auto every bit as reliable as that 870. Here is my gun so far. Sorry for the poor quality. 
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Comparing semi auto rifles to semi auto shotguns is not a fair comparison. I've seen a lot more semi auto shotguns malfunction at matches than I have ever seen rifles do the same....when they're running they're great, when they stop running they really suck. If you do want to run a semi auto shotgun, find the types of ammo it likes to run reliably with and stick with those only. |
| Gas operated auto's must be clean to run well. I find about 300 - 500 rounds is about the max before cleaning. You can hear the gun slowing down as you shoot it. When that happens I give it a quick spray of Gun Scrubber and WD-40 and that gets it back in the game. If I was going into battle with a auto shotgun it would be a recoil operated gun. MIKE. |
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I agree with everything both SinistralRifleman and mike 103 said, and will add: not only do gas operated shotguns jam more frequently than a gas operated rifle does, but when they do, they are typically more difficult to clear than a semi-auto rifle or handgun are... Furthermore - although I really like my AR-15, I believe the gas systems of both my FAL and AK-47 to be a more reliable set-up, and trust them more than the AR-15 - with the FAL being my "go to" gun... I would trust a recoil operated shotgun like an 1148 or an A-5 for defensive purposes more than a gas gun, when it comes to shotguns... Lastly - I mean no slam in this, but it's obvious by the questions already asked that schapman43 doesn't know everything there is to know about auto loaders(not that I do either, mind you)... Now, he opened up his gas ports on his barrel to get his gun to cycle more reliably - here's a thought: who's to say that maybe he *might* have opened them up a tad too much, and is now battering the receiver, but doesn't know it... Then, something fails at an "inopertune time"(you know, murphys law and all that)... By virtue of it's design, a gas operated shotgun has parts that are susceptible to wear that a pump doesn't, and those parts can cause the gun to become disabled - whereas a pump will just keep a chugging away... If you took a clean auto in good working order, and a pump in similar condition - the odds are that the pump would attain a higher round count than the auto before failing to cycle... Any expert will tell you that reliability IS the most important issue when it comes to defensive/combat type weapons... - georgestrings |
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No I dont know everything about auto shotguns or any other gun for that matter. But I do now have a in depth knowledge of how a 1100 operates. I do now know how to get a 1100 to run reliably after chopping the barrel down. I gained that knowledge by talking with gunsmiths in my local area, gunsmiths at Remington, and gunsmiths who build tactical shotguns for a living. My gas ports arent opened to much and therefore my reciever isnt under any extra stress. I know this because my gas ports are smaller than those in the Remington 1100 Competition Master barrel. This was confirmed by Remington. I've done a whole lot of research into this gun and would know put my life on it. The 1100 isnt perfect, like any other gun it needs to be cleaned on a regular basis to remain reliable. |
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