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Posted: 12/1/2010 12:17:44 PM EDT
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I am thinking about getting a roll sizer instead of using and undersizing die for the 9mm and the redding rx push through die for 40 would love input from people that have a roll sizer. Ups and downs to both would be awesome.
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I use a friends roll sizer and it's fantastic. He added a case feeder (a must) and the biggest issue is to watch for .380 that snuck it's way in A's it won't feed correctly if you have one mixed in. It leaves a bit of a scuff mark on the case but Ive never had one not gauge now that I've used it. I don't typically care how "pretty" my pistol brass is, I just want to shoot it.
My $0.02. I'll include some case photos when I'm home tonight |
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Here is a link to the machine I am thinking about getting. As for as I know this is the only one made
Casepro |
| No matter how nice it makes the cases, the price is out of this world. I think the EGW "U" die is under $20.00, Redding's GR-x die is closer to $35.00. $178.00 per caliber change and almost $500 plus shipping makes this tool a rich man's toy or a lottery winners tool. |
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As promised...
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x473/leroyweaveriii/2871db59.jpg You can see the light band of marking that the casepro puts on the brass. It's best evident in the far left piece of brass. Originally Posted By
borderpatrol: No matter how nice it makes the cases, the price is out of this world. I think the EGW "U" die is under $20.00, Redding's GR-x die is closer to $35.00. $178.00 per caliber change and almost $500 plus shipping makes this tool a rich man's toy or a lottery winners tool. I have to disagree with borderpatrol. Â Using the cost logic, the dillon presses are only a rich man's toy too. Â What affect the cost of both the dillon presses and the casepro roll sizer is far outweighed by their efficiency. Â Sure the Redding Die is $35, however you have to handle each individual piece of brass using a single stage press. Â I would imagine if you had time and got some practice in, you could do 10 to 15 a minute, just guessing. Â Whereas with the casepro, you are sizing with every pull of the handle, I spent an hour doing 9mm the last time I did them and I did a little over 2500 cases in that hour. Â Add into that the efficiency of the Dillon 650, in a little over 5 hours I could have 2500 loaded 9mm rounds (I know math was a little off, but you need to fill powder/primers/casefeeder and pee). Now don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoy time in the reloading room, it is very relaxing, however I do not want to spend 3-4 hours individually sizing and then have to load each of them on a single stage. Â I tried to do the time comparison, but I haven't loaded pistol on a single stage in an eternity and even then it was with a buddy so time was cut in half with one of us powdering and the other seating. Once again this is just my $0.02 Â I love the machine and it makes life easier by roll sizing the bulge out of my Gen 1 Glock Brass with every pull of the handle. |
| I think for me the efficiency out weighs the cost. It is very slow to re size on the redding rx die that is what I am doing know and just can't believe the amount of time it takes. I am interested in the best brass that I can produce with the amount of time that I have available. Thanks for all the input hope some more people that use the roll sizing can tell me what they think |
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I can't justify it (for me). I reload my Glock brass and am admitedly anal about it for fear of having to post KaBoom pictures. I'm not that good looking as is.
EGW's special edition Lee dies are only .001" smaller at the base than standard. For a mear $20.00 +/- (I can't remember exactly) you can have it mounted in a Dillon 550/650 or Hornady press instead of a standard resizing die and be totally safe resizing Glocked brass. The one item mentioned that really does interest me was the comment made regarding straightening case rims and extractor grooves. Can you show a before and after on that feature? That seems to be a step up from simply resizing better. I already have more tools than any sane person needs. I also tend to spend money whether I really need to or not. What good is it if you can't spend it? |
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Once in while someone that was shooting competitvely in PPC or Bullseye will turn up with a roll sizer bought when they were shooting boat loads of ammo. I think police departments loading practice ammunition also bought these machines.
Watch ebay for used machines. |
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If that had rifle dies, I'd buy it. You cannot roll size a bottle neck cartridge (unless you want to remove the bottle neck. Roll sizing is for straight wall (or minimally tapered) brass. He just replied to my email, and apparently he does have dies to do .223 brass. 
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I use a friends roll sizer and it's fantastic. He added a case feeder (a must) and the biggest issue is to watch for .380 that snuck it's way in A's it won't feed correctly if you have one mixed in. It leaves a bit of a scuff mark on the case but Ive never had one not gauge now that I've used it. I don't typically care how "pretty" my pistol brass is, I just want to shoot it. My $0.02. I'll include some case photos when I'm home tonight I have to agree with Hoot, the only problem was that little .380. You can pound through a lot of brass in a short amount of time with a case feeder from dillon. Mike Fleury (Casepro) makes an excellent machine. I talked with mike about the scuff on the lower third of the brass. He stated it is normal will be less noticeable with more use of the die. The "ups" are I never have a problem with any brass gauging and the case feeder helps with quantities. I no longer have 9mm in my recycle bucket. You still should full length size the brass before loading. The only down is the initial cost.....but if you use it and have friends that can use it, it makes it worth it! Right Hoot? Casepro will make rifle dies, more expensive and last I talked with them you need to send in some brass. You can even use the .40 cal die to roll size the .357 sig brass. For me, it was worth it. Mike make other dies, as well as custom ones for the machine, all at a price. If you have a dillon press with a case feeder, you can rig the case feeder into it.....then the cost of the roll sizer with one die is in the mid $600"s. Scharch also makes a roll sizing machine....lots more and automated. Have you looked at Magma Engineering Company? They make 2 machines, manual and auto. It is worth looking at. Redding's die is another option. |
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No matter how nice it makes the cases, the price is out of this world. I think the EGW "U" die is under $20.00, Redding's GR-x die is closer to $35.00. $178.00 per caliber change and almost $500 plus shipping makes this tool a rich man's toy or a lottery winners tool. holyshit, gold bullets man, all the way around, wow. |
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If that had rifle dies, I'd buy it. You cannot roll size a bottle neck cartridge (unless you want to remove the bottle neck. Roll sizing is for straight wall (or minimally tapered) brass. He just replied to my email, and apparently he does have dies to do .223 brass. I'd like to see pictures of the roll dies for .223. I can only picture how they'd look, but with the relatively minor taper of the .223 case body, it could be pretty straightforward to make a roll sizer die for that case. I don't know if it would be that much more efficient than traditional sizing tools though... |
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Are you guys seriously recommending this roll sizing to the home/hobby reloader when the equipment costs $1k just for the sizing operation. That's ridiculous price for that single operation.
Has anyone made concentricity measurements on bottleneck brass before and after roll sizing? |
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Absolutly not! We are simply providing all the information that the OP requested so that he can make an informed decision about his possible purchase. By no means am I a professional shooter nor much more than a weekly/bi-weekly shooter. If I didn't have a great friend that I share pricy tools with I wouldn't have access to such awesome things.
That being said I believe the speed and ease of use far outweighs the cost of the tool. Pretty much the same justification that one can use to buy a dillon progressive press. Once again....my $0.02 |
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If you were a commercial reloading operation needing to resize used brass all the way to the base to ensure the cases will fit all firearms, then, and only then, might something like this make sense to me.
I don't know what rate you can get on one of these, but it requires punching the primer in a separate operation. Well, all it does is resize the brass, right? Has anyone made case concentricity measurements before and after sizing with one of these? |
| I by no means reload commercially. I consider myself a weekend shooter. I was frustrated discarding many 9's because they wouldn't gauge. I never started gauging my brass until I had a problem with a reload 20 yrs ago. If you have different firearms, they all have different chambers, some looser/tighter than others. After a failure, I went back and looked at everything I did. Some of my brass that I shot out of a glock wouldn't resize with a standard die to fit a case guage, but they would work fine in that glock. That did explain the jam I had in another handgun. An option would be to keep the brass separated to firearms. Ug! The best way I can explain it is the roll sizer gets the lower third of the case that a standard die doesn't. I use Lee, RCBS, Hornady, Redding, and Foster. It's a sick hobby. Again, you still have to use a full length size die on the brass. It does not resize the brass for reloading, still need to full length size. I am not in the practice of checking case concentricity for my pistol cartridges as they don't go the distance my .308's do. I can tell you that just roll sizing will not make brass fit a case gauge either. Case concentricity after roll sizing is nothing work bragging about at the neck, but better than a buldge at the lower third, if you would like to know. Do I recommend it? If you load for a certain gun or have similiar chambers in differernt guns, definitely not! If you have a variety of guns and want everything to work, or you acquire range brass from unknown guns.....it may be for you. After roll sizing and then full length sizing, all of my brass gauge. As for rate of roll sizing....it is up to the user. I still don't get the $1000 price tag. The specific casepro I own now costs $645 + shipping. What does a Dillon 650 cost? Casefeeder works with both. Hmmm. The money in brass I saved is about $300 so far, the amount saved in headaches is priceless. As for my friends who use my machine, you would have to ask them. I think my machine payed for itself. There are some different options out there, a few cheaper. What ever path you choose, I don't think you will be disappointed. To get back on track, I have heard good things with the EGW die, but never used it. Those with the redding push through die, what's your take? I have no experience with it. |
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I actually have the EGW for 9mm and the redding push through for .40 I am thinking about upgrading because the redding die is extremely slow since you have to use a single stage press, and the EGW does not get the very bottom of the case so on some of the cases it actually leaves a notch on the bottom and makes the case unusable. I reload about 3000 rounds a month so efficiency is a big issue for me. I appreciate all the input that people have given. |
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