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1/25/2014 1:17:48 PM EDT
I'm about to file a couple Form 1's via E-file. Here are the questions I would appreciate help with:

1. How important is selecting the caliber that I am actually going to use? For example, I don't own any SBR uppers yet and I'm not sure which ones I will ultimately get. Is it OK if I put 5.56 MM on the Form 1 but end up only using a 300 Blackout 9" upper?

2. How important is selecting the barrel length that will actually be used? If I put 9" but ultimately want to get a 7.5", can I inform the ATF to make the change? Is it best to just put 7.5" and then you can use anything longer than that or does it have to be 7.5"?

Thanks for your help!
1/25/2014 1:28:40 PM EDT
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I'm about to file a couple Form 1's via E-file. Here are the questions I would appreciate help with:

1. How important is selecting the caliber that I am actually going to use? For example, I don't own any SBR uppers yet and I'm not sure which ones I will ultimately get. Is it OK if I put 5.56 MM on the Form 1 but end up only using a 300 Blackout 9" upper?

2. How important is selecting the barrel length that will actually be used? If I put 9" but ultimately want to get a 7.5", can I inform the ATF to make the change? Is it best to just put 7.5" and then you can use anything longer than that or does it have to be 7.5"?

Thanks for your help!
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Both the caliber and barrel length need to be what the SBR is first built as,  after that, both caliber and barrel can be changed. No need to retain original parts either. BATFE asks to be, but does not require, notification of any permanent changes. As the AR-15 platform is modular, no changes are really permanent.
1/25/2014 3:46:59 PM EDT
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Both the caliber and barrel length need to be what the SBR is first built as,  after that, both caliber and barrel can be changed. No need to retain original parts either. BATFE asks to be, but does not require, notification of any permanent changes. As the AR-15 platform is modular, no changes are really permanent.
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I'm about to file a couple Form 1's via E-file. Here are the questions I would appreciate help with:

1. How important is selecting the caliber that I am actually going to use? For example, I don't own any SBR uppers yet and I'm not sure which ones I will ultimately get. Is it OK if I put 5.56 MM on the Form 1 but end up only using a 300 Blackout 9" upper?

2. How important is selecting the barrel length that will actually be used? If I put 9" but ultimately want to get a 7.5", can I inform the ATF to make the change? Is it best to just put 7.5" and then you can use anything longer than that or does it have to be 7.5"?

Thanks for your help!


Both the caliber and barrel length need to be what the SBR is first built as,  after that, both caliber and barrel can be changed. No need to retain original parts either. BATFE asks to be, but does not require, notification of any permanent changes. As the AR-15 platform is modular, no changes are really permanent.


This.

Decide the barrel length and caliber before you submit.

When you sign the Form 1 you are swearing under oath that the info provided is accurate to the best of your knowledge, so you should build exactly what you are applying to build.
1/25/2014 4:06:53 PM EDT
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If I'm understanding this correctly, I can submit a Form 1 for an SBR with a 9" barrel in a 300 Blackout caliber. Once approved, I then build the SBR with a 9" upper in 300 Blackout. Down the road, I decide to sell that 9" upper and purchase a 7.5" upper in 5.56mm that now resides on my SBR that has a stamp for a 9" barrel in 300 Blackout.

Is that OK?
1/25/2014 4:08:58 PM EDT
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If I'm understanding this correctly, I can submit a Form 1 for an SBR with a 9" barrel in a 300 Blackout caliber. Once approved, I then build the SBR with a 9" upper in 300 Blackout. Down the road, I decide to sell that 9" upper and purchase a 7.5" upper in 5.56mm that now resides on my SBR that has a stamp for a 9" barrel in 300 Blackout.

Is that OK?
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Yes, as long as you can put it back to the original configuration that you received your stamp on, you can have any length barrel or caliber.  
1/25/2014 4:37:42 PM EDT
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Yes, as long as you can put it back to the original configuration that you received your stamp on, you can have any length barrel or caliber.  
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If I'm understanding this correctly, I can submit a Form 1 for an SBR with a 9" barrel in a 300 Blackout caliber. Once approved, I then build the SBR with a 9" upper in 300 Blackout. Down the road, I decide to sell that 9" upper and purchase a 7.5" upper in 5.56mm that now resides on my SBR that has a stamp for a 9" barrel in 300 Blackout.

Is that OK?


Yes, as long as you can put it back to the original configuration that you received your stamp on, you can have any length barrel or caliber.  


This is incorrect! There is no requirement to be able to return to original configuration or to retain original parts.
1/25/2014 6:49:30 PM EDT
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I wish that if you don't know 100% for certain that what you are saying is correct, that you'd choose to remain silent and not post incorrect information. In the military these type of people were called SHITHOUSE LAWYERS. My point, if you don't know that what you are saying is legally correct, stay out of it. I apologize, but this is ridiculous, and needed to be addressed.

Hell it should be in the COC, if you don't know, don't comment that you do.

ETA: I am not addressing any one person. This is a blanket statement.
1/26/2014 8:17:37 AM EDT
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Yes, as long as you can put it back to the original configuration that you received your stamp on, you can have any length barrel or caliber.  
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If I'm understanding this correctly, I can submit a Form 1 for an SBR with a 9" barrel in a 300 Blackout caliber. Once approved, I then build the SBR with a 9" upper in 300 Blackout. Down the road, I decide to sell that 9" upper and purchase a 7.5" upper in 5.56mm that now resides on my SBR that has a stamp for a 9" barrel in 300 Blackout.

Is that OK?


Yes, as long as you can put it back to the original configuration that you received your stamp on, you can have any length barrel or caliber.  


Nope.

There is a movement within NFA Branch to maintain the accuracy of the registry. This has at times caused applications to be inappropriately put into problem status due to conflicting info on barrel length.  This is where your statement originates from, but it is not a requirement and almost always gets corrected with a phone call when it happens.
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