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Posted: 2/28/2011 3:27:43 PM EDT
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I was reading the American Rifleman article on the SCAR H.
Found here: http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/the-scar-program/ Kit to make SCAR H multi-caliber (5.56) or is it a new lower receiver? "SOCOM and FNH are presently developing the FN MK17 SCAR-H “common receiver,” which takes the MK17 to the next level of modularity, past its quick-change barrel function. The MK17 common receiver will be capable of accepting a 5.56 mm conversion kit, consisting of a trigger module, bolt, firing pin, magazine and barrel. According to FNH USA’s Marketing Director Combat Rifles & Technical Support Gabe Bailey that the recoil spring and guide remain the same, and there’s no need to change the case deflector." |
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strange I read the article and it seemed that the reciever was going to be a SCAR-H and that a kit will be made so the SCAR-H can shoot 223 That is correct, Socom axed the 16 program in favor of the 17, and its future capability to be backward compatible with some type of 5.56 conversion kit. I would not hold my breath on seeing anything hitting the civilian market any time soon. That would take a huge chunk out of the 16 sales. Not to mention price point wise you probably are already 3/4 the way to a new rifle. |
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Although I love FNH, I highly doubt it will be available outside the US Mil We all know how they are.. This. FN is becoming the new HK How the hell do you figure that??? I'm no FN fanboy, but they've done a pretty good job of bringing their military/LE weapons to the civilian market in a non-neutered format in a reasonable time frame. SCAR 16, SCAR 17, FS2000, PS90. What more do you want, a semi M249? Their prices are a bit high for my tastes, but they are far from HK status. They could also do a better job of offering replacement parts (10" SCAR bbl for one thing), but I'm sure their primary concern is military sales right now, and for good reason. |
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Although I love FNH, I highly doubt it will be available outside the US Mil We all know how they are.. This. FN is becoming the new HK How do you calculate that?. FN has released every production military rifle they make as a semi-auto in the US with minimal alteration. PS90, FS2000, SCAR-16, SCAR-17, the mk20 is forthcoming. There's no cheesy gray USC or useless SL-8 going on with FN. |
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Don't get me wrong fellas, I'm a big FN fan. My gripe is lack of availability of SCAR spare parts with an "ah well" attitude...
Can I haz SCAR tool? NO! Mil only. Different barrel lengths? NO! Mil only. Civilians buying SCAR 17S at what price? RAISE IT! I understand FN has to work with import limitations and am grateful that they are offering products to the civilian. Maybe I was a little harsh, but we need some support on the civilian citizen side too. |
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Don't get me wrong fellas, I'm a big FN fan. My gripe is lack of availability of SCAR spare parts with an "ah well" attitude... Can I haz SCAR tool? NO! Mil only. Different barrel lengths? NO! Mil only. Civilians buying SCAR 17S at what price? RAISE IT! I understand FN has to work with import limitations and am grateful that they are offering products to the civilian. Maybe I was a little harsh, but we need some support on the civilian citizen side too. I think that is a very unfair comparison. The fact that they have released civilian legal versions that are as close as they can legally get to the actual issue weapons (PS90, FS2000, 16S, 17S) speaks volumes about their dedication to this market. I would much rather have them concentrating on making the complete weapons available than worry about the ancillary items. I too would like factory barrel assemblies, tool kit, etc., but those will have to come later. Stephen |
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Don't get me wrong fellas, I'm a big FN fan. My gripe is lack of availability of SCAR spare parts with an "ah well" attitude... Can I haz SCAR tool? NO! Mil only. Different barrel lengths? NO! Mil only. Civilians buying SCAR 17S at what price? RAISE IT! I understand FN has to work with import limitations and am grateful that they are offering products to the civilian. Maybe I was a little harsh, but we need some support on the civilian citizen side too. I think that is a very unfair comparison. The fact that they have released civilian legal versions that are as close as they can legally get to the actual issue weapons (PS90, FS2000, 16S, 17S) speaks volumes about their dedication to this market. I would much rather have them concentrating on making the complete weapons available than worry about the ancillary items. I too would like factory barrel assemblies, tool kit, etc., but those will have to come later. Stephen I think you're a little too nice.. The ps90 and fs2000 have been out for years and FNH still doesn't have American made replacement barrels or 100% spare parts availability in one, phone orderable fashion. Even on many user serviceable repairs you have to send your rifle in for 10 weeks because they don't have/ won't sell that part. Hell, you can't even get an F2000 military flash hider, or a factory p90 flash hider. Bob Ailes has also said there are no plans to ever have replacement barrels/ muzzle devices for sale from FN for p90s or fs2000s Why do you think the scar would be any different (except for the American made muzzle device on it)? Yes, FNH makes great guns and I'm a huge fan, but they don't make/sell enough/ all the parts people want, and they have a bunch of .mil only goodies that will stay that way unless you are a crafty individual. |
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strange I read the article and it seemed that the reciever was going to be a SCAR-H and that a kit will be made so the SCAR-H can shoot 223 That is correct, Socom axed the 16 program in favor of the 17, and its future capability to be backward compatible with some type of 5.56 conversion kit. I would not hold my breath on seeing anything hitting the civilian market any time soon. That would take a huge chunk out of the 16 sales. Not to mention price point wise you probably are already 3/4 the way to a new rifle. Don't the Scar 16 and 17 share the same upper reciever? Couldn't you just chage the lower reveiver and barrel to make a 5.56 a 7.62? Why make a common receiver when you could just buy a different lower receiver to fit that caliber. What information am i missing? |
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Don't get me wrong fellas, I'm a big FN fan. My gripe is lack of availability of SCAR spare parts with an "ah well" attitude... Can I haz SCAR tool? NO! Mil only. Different barrel lengths? NO! Mil only. Civilians buying SCAR 17S at what price? RAISE IT! I understand FN has to work with import limitations and am grateful that they are offering products to the civilian. Maybe I was a little harsh, but we need some support on the civilian citizen side too. I think that is a very unfair comparison. The fact that they have released civilian legal versions that are as close as they can legally get to the actual issue weapons (PS90, FS2000, 16S, 17S) speaks volumes about their dedication to this market. I would much rather have them concentrating on making the complete weapons available than worry about the ancillary items. I too would like factory barrel assemblies, tool kit, etc., but those will have to come later. Stephen I think you're a little too nice.. The ps90 and fs2000 have been out for years and FNH still doesn't have American made replacement barrels or 100% spare parts availability in one, phone orderable fashion. Even on many user serviceable repairs you have to send your rifle in for 10 weeks because they don't have/ won't sell that part. Hell, you can't even get an F2000 military flash hider, or a factory p90 flash hider. Bob Ailes has also said there are no plans to ever have replacement barrels/ muzzle devices for sale from FN for p90s or fs2000s Why do you think the scar would be any different (except for the American made muzzle device on it)? Yes, FNH makes great guns and I'm a huge fan, but they don't make/sell enough/ all the parts people want, and they have a bunch of .mil only goodies that will stay that way unless you are a crafty individual. I own a 16S and it has become my "go-to" until I get a 17S when they become more available. But spare parts is a big deal for me and many others. 25 years ago H&K catered to the American public with HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, and plenty of "ancillary" items to go with them. Their attitude didn't change overnight. I have no doubt the U.S. side of FN is fully supportive of the general public. Bob Ailes should get employee of the year. But as far as "Corporate" is concerned ... maybe it's a European thing. |
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strange I read the article and it seemed that the reciever was going to be a SCAR-H and that a kit will be made so the SCAR-H can shoot 223 That is correct, Socom axed the 16 program in favor of the 17, and its future capability to be backward compatible with some type of 5.56 conversion kit. I would not hold my breath on seeing anything hitting the civilian market any time soon. That would take a huge chunk out of the 16 sales. Not to mention price point wise you probably are already 3/4 the way to a new rifle. Don't the Scar 16 and 17 share the same upper reciever? Couldn't you just chage the lower reveiver and barrel to make a 5.56 a 7.62? Why make a common receiver when you could just buy a different lower receiver to fit that caliber. What information am i missing? No the 17 has a longer receiver. |
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strange I read the article and it seemed that the reciever was going to be a SCAR-H and that a kit will be made so the SCAR-H can shoot 223 That is correct, Socom axed the 16 program in favor of the 17, and its future capability to be backward compatible with some type of 5.56 conversion kit. I would not hold my breath on seeing anything hitting the civilian market any time soon. That would take a huge chunk out of the 16 sales. Not to mention price point wise you probably are already 3/4 the way to a new rifle. Don't the Scar 16 and 17 share the same upper reciever? Couldn't you just chage the lower reveiver and barrel to make a 5.56 a 7.62? Why make a common receiver when you could just buy a different lower receiver to fit that caliber. What information am i missing? No the 17 has a longer receiver. Longer upper or lower? |
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strange I read the article and it seemed that the reciever was going to be a SCAR-H and that a kit will be made so the SCAR-H can shoot 223 That is correct, Socom axed the 16 program in favor of the 17, and its future capability to be backward compatible with some type of 5.56 conversion kit. I would not hold my breath on seeing anything hitting the civilian market any time soon. That would take a huge chunk out of the 16 sales. Not to mention price point wise you probably are already 3/4 the way to a new rifle. Don't the Scar 16 and 17 share the same upper reciever? Couldn't you just chage the lower reveiver and barrel to make a 5.56 a 7.62? Why make a common receiver when you could just buy a different lower receiver to fit that caliber. What information am i missing? No the 17 has a longer receiver. Longer upper or lower? Both |
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