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Posted: 1/21/2025 6:14:38 PM EDT
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Anyone there and have updates on product release dates? I have no info… just curious. |
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It's a lot of the same stuff Jack has posted in here as well, and from the last SHOT show. Working through back log of guns, and hoping end of the year KS stuff will roll out to dealers. As of today still no orders can be placed for the KS stuff. M110 PRG suppressors will be made available to buy. DSR25 cans are close to being released to dealers (shameless plug you can message me for one). Some small parts that are not on display I've been told will be made available (muzzle devices in more thread pitches - 5/8x24 rejoice!) |
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Originally Posted By PresampleDepot: It's a lot of the same stuff Jack has posted in here as well, and from the last SHOT show. Working through back log of guns, and hoping end of the year KS stuff will roll out to dealers. As of today still no orders can be placed for the KS stuff. M110 PRG suppressors will be made available to buy. DSR25 cans are close to being released to dealers (shameless plug you can message me for one). Some small parts that are not on display I've been told will be made available (muzzle devices in more thread pitches - 5/8x24 rejoice!) What about SR25 URX series rails?(both 2 and 3.1) Are they done or will there be other runs? |
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Originally Posted By PresampleDepot: It's a lot of the same stuff Jack has posted in here as well, and from the last SHOT show. Working through back log of guns, and hoping end of the year KS stuff will roll out to dealers. As of today still no orders can be placed for the KS stuff. M110 PRG suppressors will be made available to buy. DSR25 cans are close to being released to dealers (shameless plug you can message me for one). Some small parts that are not on display I've been told will be made available (muzzle devices in more thread pitches - 5/8x24 rejoice!) Any chance one of those small parts was a 556 muzzle device that will let urx4 10.75"/CQB users run the full shrouded PRT can without shimming? Was hoping KAC had a solution in mind.... |
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Originally Posted By redman797: Haven’t those been done for a long time now? Originally Posted By redman797: Originally Posted By RedFox1911: What about SR25 URX series rails?(both 2 and 3.1) Are they done or will there be other runs? Haven’t those been done for a long time now? I was wondering this also. They still seem to have M110 contracts, so one can hope. And with the HTX uppers/barrels available there is probably more demand now than back in the day... |
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Originally Posted By Jarth: I was wondering this also. They still seem to have M110 contracts, so one can hope. And with the HTX uppers/barrels available there is probably more demand now than back in the day... Originally Posted By Jarth: Originally Posted By redman797: Originally Posted By RedFox1911: What about SR25 URX series rails?(both 2 and 3.1) Are they done or will there be other runs? Haven't those been done for a long time now? I was wondering this also. They still seem to have M110 contracts, so one can hope. And with the HTX uppers/barrels available there is probably more demand now than back in the day... I think the fact that they do still have 110 contracts means it's likely we'll see more 110 components hit the shelves again - legacy 110 suppressors, flash hiders, gas blocks, and even handguards/rails. But when and what quantity of such items is anyone's guess. |
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Originally Posted By HAMBURGERATTACK: Any chance one of those small parts was a 556 muzzle device that will let urx4 10.75"/CQB users run the full shrouded PRT can without shimming? Was hoping KAC had a solution in mind.... Originally Posted By HAMBURGERATTACK: Originally Posted By PresampleDepot: It's a lot of the same stuff Jack has posted in here as well, and from the last SHOT show. Working through back log of guns, and hoping end of the year KS stuff will roll out to dealers. As of today still no orders can be placed for the KS stuff. M110 PRG suppressors will be made available to buy. DSR25 cans are close to being released to dealers (shameless plug you can message me for one). Some small parts that are not on display I've been told will be made available (muzzle devices in more thread pitches - 5/8x24 rejoice!) Any chance one of those small parts was a 556 muzzle device that will let urx4 10.75"/CQB users run the full shrouded PRT can without shimming? Was hoping KAC had a solution in mind.... That would be great! I am about to shim mine. |
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Originally Posted By Marksman14: WTF is this. A rifle with a 16" KAC barrel |
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Originally Posted By Marksman14: WTF is this. LoL Are they really producing barrels for diamond back while there are still people waiting on backorder to be filled. Too funny. |
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Originally Posted By ShaggyNuckles: LoL Are they really producing barrels for diamond back while there are still people waiting on backorder to be filled. Too funny. My guess is barrels aren't the production holdup, and they have the ability to do it and make some $. I'm just surprised at how they're calling it a "KAC Collab" when they took a barrel off their CHF machine, tossed a milspec extension on it, and called it a day. Hopefully KAC is making good use of otherwise unused machines and able to bring in some $$. |
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Originally Posted By Marksman14: My guess is barrels aren't the production holdup, and they have the ability to do it and make some $. I'm just surprised at how they're calling it a "KAC Collab" when they took a barrel off their CHF machine, tossed a milspec extension on it, and called it a day. Hopefully KAC is making good use of otherwise unused machines and able to bring in some $$. Waiting for Jack L..... |
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Originally Posted By loveski5: Taken from the inter-webs https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/292646/taotnu705tee1_jpeg-3443604.JPG This information is from last year. Here is the original post from Jack L. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/SR-25-Upper-Options-2024-/64-551615/#i6082231 |
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Originally Posted By loveski5: Taken from the inter-webs https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/292646/taotnu705tee1_jpeg-3443604.JPG Thats pretty cool Whats the pricing and availability looking like on these? Are these going to be regular production lines or are they going to be one off's that are dropped here and there. Also if you purchased a complete rifle in the past, is possible to just order an upper? Not really interested in another 2000 to 3000 dollar lower. |
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Originally Posted By HAMBURGERATTACK: Any chance one of those small parts was a 556 muzzle device that will let urx4 10.75"/CQB users run the full shrouded PRT can without shimming? Was hoping KAC had a solution in mind.... We didn't "release it"' at SHOT, because it's not a big splash, but there will be a device available for that. |
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Originally Posted By Jack_L: We didn't "release it"' at SHOT, because it's not a big splash, but there will be a device available for that. Excellent news. I'll be impatiently awaiting its arrival. |
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Originally Posted By manticore: The KS-6 is DOA, as far as I know. Maybe Jack L can shed more light on that. https://i.imgur.com/TjGes5s.jpeg Per KAC at SHOT, there are no plans for the KS-6 to be produced commercially or for contracts at this time |
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Originally Posted By Marksman14: WTF is this. KAC, Diamondback, and Keltec are all within 15-20 minutes of each other and have passed around employees like herpes. Not surprising. |
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Originally Posted By mra4523: @Jack_L curious if there’s a rough ETA on the new 5/8-24 muzzle devices? Have an LMT 300blk I’m working on and would prefer to run a 762 QDC CQB but would love to avoid the Easter egg hunt of finding one of the old 5/8-24 SR30 MDs. Loaded question I’m sure. I should have them rolling out this Spring. |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: The same thing you’ve failed to deliver for the last 15 years https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2014-08/1407993335_1337639583813.jpg Hah! Fair enough. |
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Originally Posted By Jack_L: Hah! Fair enough. Originally Posted By Jack_L: Originally Posted By Mblades: The same thing you’ve failed to deliver for the last 15 years https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2014-08/1407993335_1337639583813.jpg Hah! Fair enough. I ask every year in the shot show thread, still not ready to give up hope. There was a time when you said the NT4 PRG wasn’t going to happen but now Im just waiting on my stamp to clear so that means my PDW dreams are still alive. |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: I ask every year in the shot show thread, still not ready to give up hope. There was a time when you said the NT4 PRG wasn’t going to happen but now Im just waiting on my stamp to clear so that means my PDW dreams are still alive. For real. With how much larger the commercial market is, the greater potential for professional contracts today, the popularity of braces, the fast F4 approvals, the popularity of 300blk, and all of the other cartridges that have been rapidly introduced the last few years, it's a major missed opportunity the PDW hasn't been realized. If it could be reworked to 300blk that would be ideal, or just release it in 6x35, it will still do well. The Rattler is cool, but it's a considerably heavier and overall larger gun than the PDW. Really nothing like it released that is that small and roughly 4lb. The Q HB is close in weight, but again, larger gun |
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Originally Posted By CaribouLou45: For real. With how much larger the commercial market is, the greater potential for professional contracts today, the popularity of braces, the fast F4 approvals, the popularity of 300blk, and all of the other cartridges that have been rapidly introduced the last few years, it's a major missed opportunity the PDW hasn't been realized. If it could be reworked to 300blk that would be ideal, or just release it in 6x35, it will still do well. The Rattler is cool, but it's a considerably heavier and overall larger gun than the PDW. Really nothing like it released that is that small and roughly 4lb. The Q HB is close in weight, but again, larger gun Not trying to be a jerk here, but do you have any experience in bringing a physical product to market? KAC has a pretty solid grasp on demand from military and commercial customers, as well as what their actual capacity to manufacture is. Time producing PDWs is less time making other rifles/components. Let's give KAC the benefit of the doubt on this one. |
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Originally Posted By methical20: Not trying to be a jerk here, but do you have any experience in bringing a physical product to market? KAC has a pretty solid grasp on demand from military and commercial customers, as well as what their actual capacity to manufacture is. Time producing PDWs is less time making other rifles/components. Let's give KAC the benefit of the doubt on this one. Originally Posted By methical20: Originally Posted By CaribouLou45: For real. With how much larger the commercial market is, the greater potential for professional contracts today, the popularity of braces, the fast F4 approvals, the popularity of 300blk, and all of the other cartridges that have been rapidly introduced the last few years, it's a major missed opportunity the PDW hasn't been realized. If it could be reworked to 300blk that would be ideal, or just release it in 6x35, it will still do well. The Rattler is cool, but it's a considerably heavier and overall larger gun than the PDW. Really nothing like it released that is that small and roughly 4lb. The Q HB is close in weight, but again, larger gun Not trying to be a jerk here, but do you have any experience in bringing a physical product to market? KAC has a pretty solid grasp on demand from military and commercial customers, as well as what their actual capacity to manufacture is. Time producing PDWs is less time making other rifles/components. Let's give KAC the benefit of the doubt on this one. Just one point of reference, im goingto spend ~$3,000 on a FN 15P. I’d gladly spend double on a KAC PDW and I know im not the only one. Not always, see my comments about the nt4 prg above also the market has change a lot in the last 15-20yrs as CaribuLou pointed out. |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: Just one point of reference, im goingto spend ~$3,000 on a FN 15P. I’d gladly spend double on a KAC PDW and I know im not the only one. Not always, see my comments about the nt4 prg above also the market has change a lot in the last 15-20yrs as CaribuLou pointed out. I know very little about the FN 15P but from the looks of it it probably has a lot of commonality shared with the SCAR. This being the case it means that FN has a lot of scale and can use existing tooling and machining. New tooling and machining is extremely expensive. I wouldn't know what the breakeven number would need to be for the KAC PDW. New products are cool and all but we have to remember that these companies are in the business of making a profit at the end of the day. |
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Originally Posted By NemesisMind: I know very little about the FN 15P but from the looks of it it probably has a lot of commonality shared with the SCAR. This being the case it means that FN has a lot of scale and can use existing tooling and machining. New tooling and machining is extremely expensive. I wouldn't know what the breakeven number would need to be for the KAC PDW. New products are cool and all but we have to remember that these companies are in the business of making a profit at the end of the day. Originally Posted By NemesisMind: Originally Posted By Mblades: Just one point of reference, im goingto spend ~$3,000 on a FN 15P. I’d gladly spend double on a KAC PDW and I know im not the only one. Not always, see my comments about the nt4 prg above also the market has change a lot in the last 15-20yrs as CaribuLou pointed out. I know very little about the FN 15P but from the looks of it it probably has a lot of commonality shared with the SCAR. This being the case it means that FN has a lot of scale and can use existing tooling and machining. New tooling and machining is extremely expensive. I wouldn't know what the breakeven number would need to be for the KAC PDW. New products are cool and all but we have to remember that these companies are in the business of making a profit at the end of the day. The KAC PDW would share a lot of existing tooling snd machining with the SR/KS series too. Sig, FN, and Q seem to think there’s money in a PDW. |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: The KAC PDW would share a lot of existing tooling snd machining with the SR/KS series too. Sig, FN, and Q seem to think there’s money in a PDW. We already have the SR-30, and 300 Blackout has long surpassed the 9mm PDW for most practical uses. I have the 9.5" version, and I'd highly recommend picking one up. KAC did an exceptional job in building that gun. If anything, they could easily add a braced option for those that don't want to deal with the NFA. That's not to say there isn't a place for a more compact PDW. I have a P90 SBR specifically for that purpose. At 19" long fully loaded, it makes a very good bag gun. But it's very much a niche role, and frankly I wouldn't spend the money on it again today. |
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Originally Posted By John_Oldman: We already have the SR-30, and 300 Blackout has long surpassed the 9mm PDW for most practical uses. I have the 9.5" version, and I'd highly recommend picking one up. KAC did an exceptional job in building that gun. If anything, they could easily add a braced option for those that don't want to deal with the NFA. That's not to say there isn't a place for a more compact PDW. I have a P90 SBR specifically for that purpose. At 19" long fully loaded, it makes a very good bag gun. But it's very much a niche role, and frankly I wouldn't spend the money on it again today. Originally Posted By John_Oldman: Originally Posted By Mblades: The KAC PDW would share a lot of existing tooling snd machining with the SR/KS series too. Sig, FN, and Q seem to think there’s money in a PDW. We already have the SR-30, and 300 Blackout has long surpassed the 9mm PDW for most practical uses. I have the 9.5" version, and I'd highly recommend picking one up. KAC did an exceptional job in building that gun. If anything, they could easily add a braced option for those that don't want to deal with the NFA. That's not to say there isn't a place for a more compact PDW. I have a P90 SBR specifically for that purpose. At 19" long fully loaded, it makes a very good bag gun. But it's very much a niche role, and frankly I wouldn't spend the money on it again today. SR-30 is too big, traditional receiver extension kills it. Not sure what 9mm has to do with this conversation, the KAC PDW was originally chambered in 6x35. |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: The KAC PDW would share a lot of existing tooling snd machining with the SR/KS series too. *IF* we were to do a PDW it would not be the previous version. We learned a lot in that program. Really, the 6x35mm cartridge was the best thing about it. |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: There was a time when you said the NT4 PRG wasn’t going to happen but now Im just waiting on my stamp to clear so that means my PDW dreams are still alive. I don't recall saying that the NT4-PRG wouldn't happen, especially since I was one of the people pushing them for commercial release from the start. Not that I'm immune from error or misremembering, I'm just not recalling any time since the creation of the NT4-PRG that I wouldn't want to make it available to the market. |
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Originally Posted By Jack_L: *IF* we were to do a PDW it would not be the previous version. We learned a lot in that program. Really, the 6x35mm cartridge was the best thing about it. Originally Posted By Jack_L: Originally Posted By Mblades: The KAC PDW would share a lot of existing tooling snd machining with the SR/KS series too. *IF* we were to do a PDW it would not be the previous version. We learned a lot in that program. Really, the 6x35mm cartridge was the best thing about it. I keep getting emails for 4.6 ammo  Just a thought |
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Originally Posted By Jack_L: I don't recall saying that the NT4-PRG wouldn't happen, especially since I was one of the people pushing them for commercial release from the start. Not that I'm immune from error or misremembering, I'm just not recalling any time since the creation of the NT4-PRG that I wouldn't want to make it available to the market. Originally Posted By Jack_L: Originally Posted By Mblades: There was a time when you said the NT4 PRG wasn’t going to happen but now Im just waiting on my stamp to clear so that means my PDW dreams are still alive. I don't recall saying that the NT4-PRG wouldn't happen, especially since I was one of the people pushing them for commercial release from the start. Not that I'm immune from error or misremembering, I'm just not recalling any time since the creation of the NT4-PRG that I wouldn't want to make it available to the market. I was quite a while back. I don’t think it was that you didn’t want it to happen. You said there was no market for it, people only wanted the clone correct nt4. I’m grateful you advocated for it and were able to bring it to market.  Now if you could do the same for a PDW… 
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Originally Posted By Mblades: I was quite a while back. I don’t think it was that you didn’t want it to happen. You said there was no market for it, people only wanted the clone correct nt4. I’m grateful you advocated for it and were able to bring it to market. Now if you could do the same for a PDW… Elevator pitch: Do an 6.8/ICAR pattern receiver worked over with the rest of the PDW concept. I have done zero homework on if the 6mm ARC is good out of shorter barrels, I don't even own one, however, the 6.5 Grendel out of the same new receivers and Magpul mags has similar potential and is actually good out of short barrels. |
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Originally Posted By RedFox1911: Elevator pitch: Do an 6.8/ICAR pattern receiver worked over with the rest of the PDW concept. I have done zero homework on if the 6mm ARC is good out of shorter barrels, I don't even own one, however, the 6.5 Grendel out of the same new receivers and Magpul mags has similar potential and is actually good out of short barrels. 6 ARC is even better out of shorties. |
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