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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SP-89? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/18/2010 4:44:53 PM EDT
Hi guys, i have local fun store with a 98% cond. HK SP-89. Freaking beautiful gun! Anyway 2 ?'s.......first, is the only diff. b/t the sp-89s and then the mp-5k the removal of k grip and addition of a foregrip w muzzle guard? Lastly, would $3500 be a fair price for the 89 in the pic below?
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Hi guys, i have local fun store with a 98% cond. HK SP-89. Freaking beautiful gun! Anyway 2 ?'s.......first, is the only diff. b/t the sp-89s and then the mp-5k the removal of k grip and addition of a foregrip w muzzle guard? Lastly, would $3500 be a fair price for the 89 in the pic below? http://www.marksgunsearch.com/files/images/dsc0343420100313120620.jpg The SP89 is the semi auto MP5K, so yes really the only thing are the Vertical grip is removed (can be installed if registered as an AOW or SBR) and the standard modifications to make the H&K semi by legal definition. It also does not have the paddle magazine release. It most likely has a semi auto bolt carrier, but works fine if your not planning on installing a sear 3500$ is a great price. I would buy it if I were you |
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Thanks gents, i thought i had been used to seeing them in the 4k range......and i have never seen one that wasnt tucked away in a corner after it was bought new yrs. ago that looks as good as this gun.
Good deal or not, $3500 is a stretch for a gun that is less than practical or for me at least. However i have wanted one for sooo many yrs now and besides a 94 w. k grip and vented shroud i cannot think of one i have wanted as long. I really think i should hold out for the 94 and dress it like i want and then have a much more practical gun for me.....if i lived in a state where i could sbr the K than no doubts i would have already prob. pulled the trigger on this sp89. |
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Only thing I'm going to say is that I bought a clone and SBR'd it. Thought it was the gun I HAD to have. All it does is sit in the safe. I never use it because it's so silly really. Just my experience that I had nothing to do with it once it was made...competitions were out...it's not a subgun...so not much to do but plink...it just lost it's glitz once I actually had it in my hands.
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Hi guys, i have local fun store with a 98% cond. HK SP-89. Freaking beautiful gun! Anyway 2 ?'s.......first, is the only diff. b/t the sp-89s and then the mp-5k the removal of k grip and addition of a foregrip w muzzle guard? Lastly, would $3500 be a fair price for the 89 in the pic below? http://www.marksgunsearch.com/files/images/dsc0343420100313120620.jpg Awesome deal! Buy it ASAP. 
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Only thing I'm going to say is that I bought a clone and SBR'd it. Thought it was the gun I HAD to have. All it does is sit in the safe. I never use it because it's so silly really. Just my experience that I had nothing to do with it once it was made...competitions were out...it's not a subgun...so not much to do but plink...it just lost it's glitz once I actually had it in my hands. ymmv Send it to me. I'm just right over here in TX, not too far from you. I'll put my sear in it and give it a workout. 
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| I looked at this gun yesterday afternoon. Looked really good and appeared to be original finish but I haven't handled enough HK SP89s to be an expert. Finally decided that I'm happy with my MKE AT-94K for a third of the price. If I had a sear it would be a different story. |
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Only thing I'm going to say is that I bought a clone and SBR'd it. Thought it was the gun I HAD to have. All it does is sit in the safe. I never use it because it's so silly really. Just my experience that I had nothing to do with it once it was made...competitions were out...it's not a subgun...so not much to do but plink...it just lost it's glitz once I actually had it in my hands. ymmv home defense gun for the win.......... id give a nut for one of them... 
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i have seen exactly 2 of them in 20 years of going to gun shops.
1st was in 1992.. $1200.00 2nd was about 5 years back... guy was already buying it, beat me by 10 minutes. $ 2000.00 i think. 
if i was going to pick one gun to make a pdw out of, it would be the sp89/mp5k. collapsible stock, 30 round mags, foreward grip, micro aimpoint, supressor. 
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turkey is supposed to be importing a licensed copy, but it does not have a foreward handguard...... if they import them, would they not all be to spec, and take the various sp89/ mp5k accessories?
here is the auction.....http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=157778057this one sold for $1200 bucks.... if its to spec, id buy two.my 13, and 14 year old daughters would love the hell out of them....( i always try to buy two of each, so there wont be fighting over guns when i kick the bucket one day.  .  .......
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Only thing I'm going to say is that I bought a clone and SBR'd it. Thought it was the gun I HAD to have. All it does is sit in the safe. I never use it because it's so silly really. Just my experience that I had nothing to do with it once it was made...competitions were out...it's not a subgun...so not much to do but plink...it just lost it's glitz once I actually had it in my hands. ymmv home defense gun for the win.......... id give a nut for one of them... |
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i have seen exactly 2 of them in 20 years of going to gun shops. 1st was in 1992.. $1200.00 2nd was about 5 years back... guy was already buying it, beat me by 10 minutes. $ 2000.00 i think.
if i was going to pick one gun to make a pdw out of, it would be the sp89/mp5k. collapsible stock, 30 round mags, foreward grip, micro aimpoint, supressor. Perhaps, but it really really really needs a barrel extension (w/ three lug) and paddle mag release. |
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I looked at this gun yesterday afternoon. Looked really good and appeared to be original finish but I haven't handled enough HK SP89s to be an expert. Finally decided that I'm happy with my MKE AT-94K for a third of the price. If I had a sear it would be a different story. is this the turkish import? if it is, what do you think of it? id love a sp89, but its hopelessly out of my price range. the turkish import seems like a good deal, as long as its a good gun... please let me know. |
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i have seen exactly 2 of them in 20 years of going to gun shops. 1st was in 1992.. $1200.00 2nd was about 5 years back... guy was already buying it, beat me by 10 minutes. $ 2000.00 i think.
if i was going to pick one gun to make a pdw out of, it would be the sp89/mp5k. collapsible stock, 30 round mags, foreward grip, micro aimpoint, supressor. Perhaps, but it really really really needs a barrel extension (w/ three lug) and paddle mag release. the turkish gun appears to have the paddle mag release....... |
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Quoted: The MKE AT-94K is th Turkish made version of th SP89. Like the SP89 the barrel is even with the front sight, no extension & suppressor attachment lugs. It differs in that there is a block in the receiver to prevent the insertion of a full-auto carrier, a requirement by BATF to allow importation. It also has the paddle release already installed. I've only put 75 rds. through mine but I really like it and HK and ATI mags fit well.
Quoted: I looked at this gun yesterday afternoon. Looked really good and appeared to be original finish but I haven't handled enough HK SP89s to be an expert. Finally decided that I'm happy with my MKE AT-94K for a third of the price. If I had a sear it would be a different story. is this the turkish import? if it is, what do you think of it? id love a sp89, but its hopelessly out of my price range. the turkish import seems like a good deal, as long as its a good gun... please let me know. |
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i have seen exactly 2 of them in 20 years of going to gun shops. 1st was in 1992.. $1200.00 2nd was about 5 years back... guy was already buying it, beat me by 10 minutes. $ 2000.00 i think.
if i was going to pick one gun to make a pdw out of, it would be the sp89/mp5k. collapsible stock, 30 round mags, foreward grip, micro aimpoint, supressor. Perhaps, but it really really really needs a barrel extension (w/ three lug) and paddle mag release. the turkish gun appears to have the paddle mag release....... I was talking about the real SP89 in the OP. I guess I thought you were too. |
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Only thing I'm going to say is that I bought a clone and SBR'd it. Thought it was the gun I HAD to have. All it does is sit in the safe. I never use it because it's so silly really. Just my experience that I had nothing to do with it once it was made...competitions were out...it's not a subgun...so not much to do but plink...it just lost it's glitz once I actually had it in my hands. ymmv home defense gun for the win.......... id give a nut for one of them... http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/tm_mp5k_pdw.jpg I think the general concensus is that NFA weapons (legal-wise) are not a good idea for home defense. |
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Question: Do you have to abide by 922r when making an SBR out of an SP89 or are they considered Pre-Ban? A real 89 is pre-ban, so I don't think that 922R applies to it. Don't believe you are 100% correct on this one... 922(r) is (I believe) a 1989 law. So SP89s that got in before it took effect would appear to be legal to SBR w/o parts count issues, but those imported after 1989 would be pre-ban, but not pre import ban, and thus subject to 922(r). |
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Only thing I'm going to say is that I bought a clone and SBR'd it. Thought it was the gun I HAD to have. All it does is sit in the safe. I never use it because it's so silly really. Just my experience that I had nothing to do with it once it was made...competitions were out...it's not a subgun...so not much to do but plink...it just lost it's glitz once I actually had it in my hands. ymmv home defense gun for the win.......... id give a nut for one of them... http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/tm_mp5k_pdw.jpg I think the general concensus is that NFA weapons (legal-wise) are not a good idea for home defense. Guess I'm a statistical outlier then. If I have to use a weapon for home defense I've already come up on the wrong end of probability, I'm going to stack the odds as high in my favor as I can to make sure me and mine come out safe. Right now that job goes to my 12" AR with suppressor. In keeping with the original theme, I'd always wanted an SP89 also, had the cash at one point when they were around $3K but spent it on other stuff. Just got around to shooting my new Cohairie 89K with full size receiver and am enjoying it. Bottom line is do you value the gun more than the money, or whatever you'd spend that money on? If so, get it. |
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Only thing I'm going to say is that I bought a clone and SBR'd it. Thought it was the gun I HAD to have. All it does is sit in the safe. I never use it because it's so silly really. Just my experience that I had nothing to do with it once it was made...competitions were out...it's not a subgun...so not much to do but plink...it just lost it's glitz once I actually had it in my hands. ymmv home defense gun for the win.......... id give a nut for one of them... http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp58/buck19delta/tm_mp5k_pdw.jpg I think the general concensus is that NFA weapons (legal-wise) are not a good idea for home defense. Guess I'm a statistical outlier then. If I have to use a weapon for home defense I've already come up on the wrong end of probability, I'm going to stack the odds as high in my favor as I can to make sure me and mine come out safe. Right now that job goes to my 12" AR with suppressor. In keeping with the original theme, I'd always wanted an SP89 also, had the cash at one point when they were around $3K but spent it on other stuff. Just got around to shooting my new Cohairie 89K with full size receiver and am enjoying it. Bottom line is do you value the gun more than the money, or whatever you'd spend that money on? If so, get it. I had a chance to buy an SP89 (and wanted to, and could afford to) back when they were going for $1000 and you could get them at any gun show. But I was a cheapskate and couldn't see the reason to get one when a Sites Spectre 9mm was essentially the same thing and only cost $350. So I went with the Italian and now they are out of business. Oops. I didn't realize at the time that I would eventually have an HK sear. That might have changed my choice back then. |
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Man you guys are killing me....GREAT replies, all of them and maybe to damn good Talk me outta of it and into waiting for the 94 that i can do sooooo much more with.
I have one of those gsg5 pks......and have put many k's of rounds down the pipe and all be it a very fun weapon, w/o having sbr'd it and no buttstock....i can promise this would be one of my last choices for PD or HD and i think i can safely make that statement because the sp89 and the gsg5pk weight, feel etc are spot on.......and the upgrade to 9mm doesnt do it for me Trying to shoot these damn things like a pistol makes me feel straight  and my groups look prob. like .
At the end of the day, no matter how much you dont need it or whatever.....its still a SP-89
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Question: Do you have to abide by 922r when making an SBR out of an SP89 or are they considered Pre-Ban? A real 89 is pre-ban, so I don't think that 922R applies to it. 922r does not apply to the SP89, but it does apply to the Turkish MKE. I agree it applies to the MKE if turned into a rifle, but why wouldn't it apply to a SP89 when SBRed? |
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Few more pics of this unreal sexy moma.....even though starting at about 5 yrs old, the mp5 pdw and somewhat by extension the k/ sp-89 has been at least aesthetically speaking my all time favorite firearm and had many mock ups as kid....back in the day when they looked real and the "man" didnt make get a tax stamp to remove the orange from your toy gun...i think i have too many other wants i need to address, but as others stated...how often do you see a almost mint sp89 priced to move? Personally this is a first
If i cannot have it, i would love to see a fellow arfcom buddy scoop it up and then let me do a little vicarious loving...so if you are interested, you can im or pm me and i can shoot you the gunstores info(dealt w. them my whole life, very established business). NOT a sales ad, just want to make that clear. 
Man, that sucker has straight sex appeal that totally overrides my functionality mechanism
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Because, the SP89 is a pre ban gun.
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Question: Do you have to abide by 922r when making an SBR out of an SP89 or are they considered Pre-Ban? A real 89 is pre-ban, so I don't think that 922R applies to it. 922r does not apply to the SP89, but it does apply to the Turkish MKE. I agree it applies to the MKE if turned into a rifle, but why wouldn't it apply to a SP89 when SBRed? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Because, the SP89 is a pre ban gun.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Question: Do you have to abide by 922r when making an SBR out of an SP89 or are they considered Pre-Ban? A real 89 is pre-ban, so I don't think that 922R applies to it. 922r does not apply to the SP89, but it does apply to the Turkish MKE. I agree it applies to the MKE if turned into a rifle, but why wouldn't it apply to a SP89 when SBRed? I've been doing some internet research and I'm beginning to wonder if this is the case. 922r took effect on 11/30/90 and the SP89 in question had a date code of KD which is 1993. It was not subject to 922r because it was a pistol, not when it was imported. The SP89 was banned by name in an Clinton executive order in 1993. It can be considered pre-ban to the 1994 Crime bill but that law had nothing to do with importation and 922r. But 922r is not about when a weapon is imported but when it is assembled into an non-importable configuration. Converting a SP89 to a SBR without adding domestic parts was ok because until now all NFA weapons were exempt from 922r. With the recent BATF letter changing that interpretation concerning SBRs not only is there a question of whether you need to follow 922r when making a HK SP89 an SBR now but is there a grandfather date for SP89s already converted? |
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Few more pics of this unreal sexy moma.....even though starting at about 5 yrs old, the mp5 pdw and somewhat by extension the k/ sp-89 has been at least aesthetically speaking my all time favorite firearm and had many mock ups as kid....back in the day when they looked real and the "man" didnt make get a tax stamp to remove the orange from your toy gun ...i think i have too many other wants i need to address, but as others stated...how often do you see a almost mint sp89 priced to move? Personally this is a first
If i cannot have it, i would love to see a fellow arfcom buddy scoop it up and then let me do a little vicarious loving...so if you are interested, you can im or pm me and i can shoot you the gunstores info(dealt w. them my whole life, very established business). NOT a sales ad, just want to make that clear. http://www.marksgunsearch.com/files/images/dsc0343520100313120657.jpg http://www.marksgunsearch.com/files/images/dsc0343620100313120744.jpg Man, that sucker has straight sex appeal that totally overrides my functionality mechanism I might take you up on that... I'm currently bidding on an H&K on gunbroker, but if that falls through I may want the SP89.
I need a host for the sear I'm about to get... |
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id use a sbr mp5k for home defense...... after all, your using the same gun the cops shoot civilians with....... what could be more legal, or safe to use? id bet 50% minimum of police departments use mp5's....  50% minimum  where are you getting this number from ? where are cops shooting civilians with mp5k's ?
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Few more pics of this unreal sexy moma.....even though starting at about 5 yrs old, the mp5 pdw and somewhat by extension the k/ sp-89 has been at least aesthetically speaking my all time favorite firearm and had many mock ups as kid....back in the day when they looked real and the "man" didnt make get a tax stamp to remove the orange from your toy gun ...i think i have too many other wants i need to address, but as others stated...how often do you see a almost mint sp89 priced to move? Personally this is a first
If i cannot have it, i would love to see a fellow arfcom buddy scoop it up and then let me do a little vicarious loving...so if you are interested, you can im or pm me and i can shoot you the gunstores info(dealt w. them my whole life, very established business). NOT a sales ad, just want to make that clear. http://www.marksgunsearch.com/files/images/dsc0343520100313120657.jpg http://www.marksgunsearch.com/files/images/dsc0343620100313120744.jpg Man, that sucker has straight sex appeal that totally overrides my functionality mechanism I might take you up on that... I'm currently bidding on an H&K on gunbroker, but if that falls through I may want the SP89.
I need a host for the sear I'm about to get... YOU DIRTY DOG....wow, thats a hot weapon w. a sear
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Buy it. You might get a sear in the future. Here's my MP5K-N with sear and SP89 I just sold. http://i27.tinypic.com/2cr25xx.jpg NICE, SUPER NICE Thanks for sharing with us, and those bad mommas are beautiful!
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Quoted: Quoted: Because, the SP89 is a pre ban gun.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Question: Do you have to abide by 922r when making an SBR out of an SP89 or are they considered Pre-Ban? A real 89 is pre-ban, so I don't think that 922R applies to it. 922r does not apply to the SP89, but it does apply to the Turkish MKE. I agree it applies to the MKE if turned into a rifle, but why wouldn't it apply to a SP89 when SBRed? His point is the SBR you will be MFGing will be MFGed in 2010 and thus would be subject to 922(r). However 922(r) uses the word "assemble", not "Make" or "MFG", so folks have come to think 922(r) does not apply when you SBR it. At least that is the explanation I have been given, absent any Case Law. |
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This is my understanding as well.
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Question: Do you have to abide by 922r when making an SBR out of an SP89 or are they considered Pre-Ban? A real 89 is pre-ban, so I don't think that 922R applies to it. 922r does not apply to the SP89, but it does apply to the Turkish MKE. I agree it applies to the MKE if turned into a rifle, but why wouldn't it apply to a SP89 when SBRed? I've been doing some internet research and I'm beginning to wonder if this is the case. 922r took effect on 11/30/90 and the SP89 in question had a date code of KD which is 1993. It was not subject to 922r because it was a pistol, not when it was imported. The SP89 was banned by name in an Clinton executive order in 1993. It can be considered pre-ban to the 1994 Crime bill but that law had nothing to do with importation and 922r. But 922r is not about when a weapon is imported but when it is assembled into an non-importable configuration. Converting a SP89 to a SBR without adding domestic parts was ok because until now all NFA weapons were exempt from 922r. With the recent BATF letter changing that interpretation concerning SBRs not only is there a question of whether you need to follow 922r when making a HK SP89 an SBR now but is there a grandfather date for SP89s already converted? |
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so, the 64 mllion dollar question is....... if i buy the turkish mp5k...... can i sbr it????? no reason for me to buy it, if i cant sbr the damn thing. someone figure it out... i know we have some lawyers here somewhere. i would not think it would be a problem, since the older bans, named guns, by their name, not descriptions, such as how the ar-15 was banned, but xm-15, and a ton of other newer named rifles were still being made... colt hbar etc........ sp-89 MIGHT be specifically mentioned, but unless they said, and all copies, and replicas, we should be legally to do what we please with it.
my plans are to buy at least 2, of them, maybe 4....... asap. then as i get the money, 1. buy guns...and magazines..... never know when a bans a coming 2 sbr all of them... 3. buy some kind of collapsible stocks, side folding, or h&k collapsing 4. buy new front grips 5. modify or replace barrel to accept supressor 6 buy some small supressors, short and lightweight as possible. 7. possibly add a surefire tactical light/laser combo for sighting, ( unless it blockes iron sights, ), then ill add it to a side mount, and use a aimpoint micro. i have always loved these guns, and to sbr one would be heaven..... too bad i cant get a full auto one. luckily the local sherriff said he would sign off on the paperwork. ill probably sbr my gsg5k, and buy a second one as well, and sbr it, just for the really cheap practice ammo.. and almost exact weapon. no im not rich..... this would take me 5 years to accomplich... ... but how cool would it be to have a rack of mp5-k sbr carbines, next to the ar-15's and other goodies.. these things are made for women, light, no recoil, small..perfect for home defense for the same reasons, super easy to conceil under a jacket, or in a backpack...make a awesome get home gun..... kids and wife would love them.
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so, the 64 mllion dollar question is....... if i buy the turkish mp5k...... can i sbr it????? no reason for me to buy it, if i cant sbr the damn thing. someone figure it out... i know we have some lawyers here somewhere. You can SBR it, as long as you have the required US made parts... |
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id use a sbr mp5k for home defense...... after all, your using the same gun the cops shoot civilians with....... what could be more legal, or safe to use? id bet 50% minimum of police departments use mp5's.... 50% minimum where are you getting this number from ? where are cops shooting civilians with mp5k's ?
well maybe not shooting them.... but its hard to blmame a civilian for using a murdering mp5 assault devil gun, when most police departments use the same guns... didnt mean for it to come out wrong. |
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so, the 64 mllion dollar question is....... if i buy the turkish mp5k...... can i sbr it????? no reason for me to buy it, if i cant sbr the damn thing. someone figure it out... i know we have some lawyers here somewhere. You can SBR it, as long as you have the required US made parts... Some of us already have.... |
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so, the 64 mllion dollar question is....... if i buy the turkish mp5k...... can i sbr it????? no reason for me to buy it, if i cant sbr the damn thing. someone figure it out... i know we have some lawyers here somewhere. You can SBR it, as long as you have the required US made parts... Some of us already have.... It doesnt exist w/o pics
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Quoted: i called my local gun shop.... and they claimed they would not stock the turkish mp5 because it was a " piece of shit"........... who has one, and what has your experience been with it?????? I got mine through here.... http://www.gsg5rifle.com/item/186095_American_Tactical_Imports_Hand_Guns_Pistols_ATI_AT94K_9MM_4_5_30RD.aspx $19.95 shipping and no CC fee. Initially it was backordered but they had one for me in less than two weeks. |
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i called my local gun shop.... and they claimed they would not stock the turkish mp5 because it was a " piece of shit"........... who has one, and what has your experience been with it?????? I am certainly no fan of the MKE but I looked at one in person and it is not a POS. Whoever told you that was completely full of shit at the time. Or they are just working from ulterior motives. You need to find a new gun store. Hey, as long as we're showing pictures... here's the CA89K with sear pack, HK grip, B&T folding stock, HK ergo grip, and YHM suppressor... 
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