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Thanks for sharing that. I will have to wait until I'm off duty to see the pix, though.
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What was the cost?
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When I spoke with Grand America a few days ago, they told me they do have plans to import the stocks, just no date yet.
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In for range report - nice pics and write-up! I'm patiently awaiting the A3 (delayed blowback and non-reciprocating CH) version. I love my K100s (especially the X-Calibur) and this would fit nicely along-side them!
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Originally Posted By icura:
In for range report - nice pics and write-up! I'm patiently awaiting the A3 (delayed blowback and non-reciprocating CH) version. I love my K100s (especially the X-Calibur) and this would fit nicely along-side them! View Quote I remember several years ago the large guy posting his R&D pics and they appeared to be using Colt SMG or modified Uzi mags. |
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Originally Posted By Kalashnikev101: Are the mags proprietary? I remember several years ago the large guy posting his R&D pics and they appeared to be using Colt SMG or modified Uzi mags. View Quote I am not too worried about the mags being proprietary as long as they are cheap and plentiful. I just purchased some extra mags for $19 each. https://www.gunsmidwest.com/magazine-gp-stribog-9mm-20rd.html |
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Originally Posted By N_Parker:
[size=4]Here's a quick dimensional comparison and some images of the magazines that have been questioned. View Quote It looks like one additional measurement is the definite dealbreaker- follower/BHO height is much higher on the Stribog. It's completely unbelievable how stupid they could be to design a proprietary magazine. ALSO- looks like the Euros are getting Stribog with an allow lower, M4 compatible grips, and longer HG... |
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Thanks for the write up and pics, won't be buying that one.
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It seems extremely well designed. It's nice that there is so much metal where the CZ is plastic, and that the mags are similar prices.
I won't be buying one unless they come out with a carbine, as I'm not gambling my cash on the "shoulder a brace" game. That, and since I already have a customized Scorpion Carbine, the original guesstimated price of $599 in another thread was much more enticing than $730. But a well built item regardless. Except for maybe that rear pin area. But the fact that Uzi mags seem close, even without the LRBHO, is tempting. |
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<**Me:**> I just spent 95% of my paycheck on LaRue stuff, within 30 minutes of getting paid. < **mfingar:**> For what it's worth, Dillo Dust is great on Ramen.
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Originally Posted By Seven-Shooter:
But the fact that Uzi mags seem close, even without the LRBHO, is tempting. View Quote As it is, it seems like it would be a very simple revision to the design to have the bolt catch reach lower to engage a Colt pattern follower, and tweak the catch height a little. |
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thanks for the info! I have been patiently waiting for more on this as the Grand Power pistols always seemed a good value.
I too hope these take off, would love to see a mag adapter... |
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Originally Posted By Kalashnikev101: If they want to make sales, they should adapt their lower to feed from GLOCK MAGS .... As it is, it seems like it would be a very simple revision to the design to have the bolt catch reach lower to engage a Colt pattern follower, and tweak the catch height a little. View Quote Ruger PCC, which is not/will never be an SMG, designed to placate the US civilian market? Sure. Something designed for the entire rest of the world? Why redesign? |
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<**Me:**> I just spent 95% of my paycheck on LaRue stuff, within 30 minutes of getting paid. < **mfingar:**> For what it's worth, Dillo Dust is great on Ramen.
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I would like to point out how successful CZ has been with the Scorpion EVO which was introduced to the U.S. market not so long ago with a proprietary magazine.
I have no issues with proprietary magazines as long as they are cheap and plentiful. As noted above, I purchases some extra 20rd mags for $19 each. Even if the 30 rd mags are $25 each, at that price I am not going through the trouble of converting mags. That's just my preference. |
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Why didn't they make the charging handle nonreciprocal? I would tear my thumb off shooting that...
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Originally Posted By frankiebagadonuts:
Why didn't they make the charging handle nonreciprocal? I would tear my thumb off shooting that... View Quote Yes, this thing comes in select fire, just not to us. |
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Good Stribog video here shooting different types of ammo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMSBgNs5hng |
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Originally Posted By N_Parker:
Here's a quick dimensional comparison and some images of the magazines that have been questioned. Stribog Colt SMG Metalform (Colt Pattern) UZI (origin unknown) D was measured at the mag catch area. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/bWkF3H.png https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/6dsenj.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/I87HsT.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/A9tIcW.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By barnbwt:
Anyone tried B&T mags? They're basically slightly fatter polymer Uzi mags with the Colt-style catch View Quote |
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Originally Posted By kpel308:
The A1 (in Europe it is the A2) was approved by the ATF before he came up with the A3 non-reciprocating delayed blowback. They have to get that operating system approved by the ATF before importation. View Quote Hopefully they can get better, but the price needs to come down too. |
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Originally Posted By Kalashnikev101: Alloy lower too, from the looks of one Italian guy's pics. Hopefully they can get better, but the price needs to come down too. View Quote I have an APC9 and love it, but a delayed blowback A3 that accepts AR triggers means I will be adding one to my collection...it'll go nicely with the X-Calibur |
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Originally Posted By icura: I think the price is more than reasonable for what you're getting. If the A3 delayed blowback version can manage to accept AR triggers and they change the funky safety for the US...it will be a winner at the ~$800 price point. I have an APC9 and love it, but a delayed blowback A3 that accepts AR triggers means I will be adding one to my collection...it'll go nicely with the X-Calibur View Quote Also- the proprietary mags are a larger issue than the trigger, and they should sell the junk plastic to the Euros and give us the alloy lower. |
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Originally Posted By Kalashnikev101: The value is not good when compared to a Scorpion or a 9mm AR... then again, if you own B&T, you're obviously not concerned with value. Also- the proprietary mags are a larger issue than the trigger, and they should sell the junk plastic to the Euros and give us the alloy lower. View Quote Both Stribog & Scorpion use proprietary magazines. Grab-A-Gun is selling the Stribog for $694.99 which is less expensive than the average selling price for the Scorpion EVO 3. IMO it feels like you are getting more for your money with a Stribog vs. a Scorpion. Yes you could probably build a basic/budget build AR based 9mm for less than $700 but like myself, I am sure most of the people interested in the Stribog already have an AR based PCC and a Scorpion. |
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Originally Posted By N_Parker: How is the Stribog not a good value when compared to an AR 9mm and especially the Scorpion? Both Stribog & Scorpion use proprietary magazines. Grab-A-Gun is selling the Stribog for $694.99 which is less expensive than the average selling price for the Scorpion EVO 3. IMO it feels like you are getting more for your money with a Stribog vs. a Scorpion. Yes you could probably build a basic AR based 9mm for less than $700 but like myself, I am sure most of the people interested in the Stribog already have an AR based PCC and a Scorpion. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By N_Parker:
Just got a chance to take a better look at the trigger group. The selector separates on the right hand side. Just need to depress the detents to remove the selector levers. After that, the trigger group removed easily. I would also like to note that the Stribog trigger and hammer pins are the same diameter as AR pins. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/JwpSZN.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/0UXLPr.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/JsfdFI.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/FBfUXk.jpg Trigger components removed https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/0RTNNn.jpg AR 15 Trigger left, Stribog right https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/pCD1nQ.jpg Stribog disconnect centered over AR disconnect https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/uODDfp.jpg Stribog hammer left, AR hammer right. Stribog disconnect and sear engagement areas appear to be very close to the AR hammer. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/7HJbwn.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By N_Parker:
Finally took it to the range today. Here it is in it's current configuration. Shot 147 grain ammo suppressed with no hiccups at all. Very easy to keep on target. Not as soft shooting as my APC9 or SIG MPX but much smoother/softer than the Scorpion and maybe a little softer than my AR 9mm SBR. I'll need to run it side by side with my AR 9mm SBR to be sure. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/gdncGo.jpg Shot it side by side with my APC9. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/1ktxBZ.jpg 25 yard pistol range. Left/first target dialing in the MRO. Target on right second mag. Looks like it could go up and to the right a little more but at that point I just started having fun with it. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/n9KBN5.jpg View Quote |
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Get it here in Alloy and I'll consider it. If they import one that is alloy and uses colt/uzi metalform mags... Will FO like a bum to a free all you can eat buffet.
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Originally Posted By kpel308:
I made a suggestion for another type of stock to my friend the mad scientist, and... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1232/38650372_10204275761490633_3894248092823715840_o-633710.jpg View Quote 1). An optional rear adapter that will allow the use of a B&T folding stock. This will also allow folks to use the SB Tactical folding brace or a B&T stock. I realize there may be some IP associated with that style B&T folder that could prevent this. 2). Add a 3 lug barrel to the next generation pistols. 3). Shorten up the barrel a little similar to the pic you posted above. It doesn't need to extend past the hand guard quite as far as it currently does. |
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Originally Posted By kpel308:
I made a suggestion for another type of stock to my friend the mad scientist, and... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1232/38650372_10204275761490633_3894248092823715840_o-633710.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By kpel308:
The A1 (in Europe it is the A2) was approved by the ATF before he came up with the A3 non-reciprocating delayed blowback. They have to get that operating system approved by the ATF before importation. They are already in select-fire and semi versions in Europe. Thank the ATF's bureaucracy. Yes, this thing comes in select fire, just not to us. View Quote Any word on the A3? I am assuming he has submitted the paperwork for ATF processing, correct? |
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An adapter with a 1913 rail, allowing the use of MPX braces/stocks, instead of the tube threads would be excellent. Simple solution for a nice improvement.
I've heard a 3rd-party is working on Stribog brace stuff, but who knows if/when it will be released. |
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Originally Posted By meitner:
An adapter with a 1913 rail, allowing the use of MPX braces/stocks, instead of the tube threads would be excellent. Simple solution for a nice improvement. I've heard a 3rd-party is working on Stribog brace stuff, but who knows if/when it will be released. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Vegitan:
@kpel308 Any word on the A3? I am assuming he has submitted the paperwork for ATF processing, correct? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Vegitan:
Originally Posted By kpel308:
The A1 (in Europe it is the A2) was approved by the ATF before he came up with the A3 non-reciprocating delayed blowback. They have to get that operating system approved by the ATF before importation. They are already in select-fire and semi versions in Europe. Thank the ATF's bureaucracy. Yes, this thing comes in select fire, just not to us. Any word on the A3? I am assuming he has submitted the paperwork for ATF processing, correct? I will also ask about a Pic rail rear end. |
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If I am not mistaken, Safety Harbor Firearms has built a pic rail for the back already. Don't believe it is available yet though. I would just like to see the factory folders available, and do something about the shoulder on the barrel.
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Originally Posted By 556fan:
If I am not mistaken, Safety Harbor Firearms has built a pic rail for the back already. Don't believe it is available yet though. I would just like to see the factory folders available, and do something about the shoulder on the barrel. View Quote Jaro's wife just gave him a new son, so he's busy, and I am having my second bout of food poisoning in 2 weeks. I think I ingested some water in the shower, and it has been a great couple of days. Flew SWMBO to Bantayan Island, and got us a seaside villa. At least the bathroom is nice. |
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Originally Posted By N_Parker: Adding pic from their FB post. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/923/RX0MHr.jpg View Quote |
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Clearance? as in... its going away???
or as in another new generations is coming? |
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Wow...glad I didn't bother picking up any to sell, thats below my lowest distributor cost...
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Originally Posted By airmandaniel:
It looks to be a generational thing. Non-integrated iron sights, key mod, and some differences in the lower it looks like. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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