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Originally Posted By the1919man: Maybe I missed it, but what are you trying to sell? Not sure I will sell yet but if I do an MP5 sear gun and SP1 conversion on Form 3s I believe. Transferable whatever. Feel like I want to keep them but my logical side says "you haven't been to the range in years and if I die no one will know what to do with the guns". Might divest many of the non NFA as well. I'll always keep some but I have no need of what I have now. |
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Of the four MGs I've owned the M10 is the only one I've kept. With that said I'll be taking possesion a IMI miniuzi with a registered bolt sometime at the end of thos month or next month. Pretty much only buying it because of a few reasons. Price... it's 2/3rds market value. History.... I've already got a ton of trigger time on the gun so I know it runs and it is show room clean. It's def. a one trick pony with the registered bolt But I have a miniuzi parts kit for it so parts are covered. And the bolt will also run in my AA uzi pistol. Not that I'll ever do that but it's nice that it will. I kept the M10 over the rest I sold as even before lage I had a reliable fleming 22 upper Lage just made the gun very versitile and I paid so little for it that shooting it doesn't bother me. I paid more for most Lage uppers then I did the gun I've had it that long. Meanwhile a few other transferables have came and went. The mini is to cheap to pass up and I have the funding. I'm one of those shooters 1st collectors 2nd type people. With that said I also don't hammer on my stuff or abuse it like some guntuber looking for click revenue. My youngest son gets my stuff all of it. ( not just the guns ) Three boys and only my youngest has any interest in guns or any common sense. . Who knows maybe like me he will enjoy them for a bit then use the sale to improve his life. Or keep them and shoot each one once or twice a year like me. My other two boys would sell them just for doordash money. I have regular shooters I shoot all the time and then collectables I shoot once in a great while. One thing I don't have is anything NIB even if I have the box. The M10 is one I shoot a lot. Regardless of current value. On selling I've always sold private to maximize profits. If I have to go through the whole dealing with a stranger, wait times, and sometimes stupid amounts of money I might as well get the most out of it. I'm doing the same amount of work. Selling to a known friend who is trustworthy and knows the biggest hicup is going to be wait times there is room for a discount like the miniuzi I am buying since there are no unknowns with both parties. Thankfully I've never been in a position to have to sell fast and take the 20% or greater hit from a dealer. But also some people just want done for no other reason then it is hassle free and most times you are paid full agreement value within a week. Long post sorry. |
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Originally Posted By JoshNC: Navgunner on Sturm and FNCtalk did a run of FNC bolts. He plans to make other critical parts. Fuatos on the same boards has the extractor components. Green mountain made barrels. Firing pins are available. The FNC is now a shootable firearm. I personally love shooting the fnc. It’s a great not-an-m16 alternative in 5.56. I'm amazed to hear about these parts. everyone talked about getting parts made for years on end but nobody ever took the plunge The FNC is a fantastic gun. Mine was really cool, it even had an FNC armson occluded optical sight in an FNC mount. when i owned mine, I had like $7k into the gun and sear, and NIB vector uzis were about $8k. Plus I had a minty colt M16a1 so I swapped the fnc for the UZI |
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Originally Posted By jimmybcool: Been so long I can not remember my password on Sturmgewehr. And their password recovery system is slooooowwwww. As in not really working. But I'll get it back again and contact those guys or list them directly. Thanks There is absolutely NO reason why you should sell a transferrable machine gun at a discount. They are the hottest collectable I can think of. An M16 and an MP5 are close to the top of the heap in popularity. Take a whole bunch of nice pictures, post up to gunbroker or sturm. Put in the ad that the buyer can see the gun and paperwork in person if they like before making payment. The offer I got from Reuben on a west hurley thompson made me kind of disgusted, it was like half price. No thanks. Selling an MG is not like selling a 2015 Honda, with a bunch of lowballers and no-shows. |
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I've spoke with navgunner a few times on the phone he is a great guy. He made a few FNC parts my buddy grabbed a bunch since like me he shoots his stuff on occasion not just safe queen stuff. Navgunner has a website also with his products. Believe me he has new things coming for a lot of harder to get parts in the trasferable world. I consider him a friend and stand up guy. Get both! https://navgunner.com/ Navgunners site. Not shooting the bolt in the IMI pistol without a stock. I tried shooting the mini once with the stock closed and before I could let off the trigger the gun was up to 2 O- clock position. ( about 11 rounds if I remeber right). Knew right there that was a one and done and best left to hollyweird. The gun has a cycle rate on par with a stock M/11 9 accept it's reliable. I mentioned it before but agree don't sell your self short on a nfa sale unless you are in dire straights and agree with the poster about putting the extra hour and a half into it to get what it's worth. Only reason I'm got the deal on the mini is he knows I'm finacially set and my son is getting the guns along with the 35 acre farm and all my other crap. In otherwords he knows I'm not going to just flip it for lack of funds or because there is so much left to be made on it. |
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Originally Posted By sleestakwhisperer: There is absolutely NO reason why you should sell a transferrable machine gun at a discount. They are the hottest collectable I can think of. An M16 and an MP5 are close to the top of the heap in popularity. Take a whole bunch of nice pictures, post up to gunbroker or sturm. Put in the ad that the buyer can see the gun and paperwork in person if they like before making payment. The offer I got from Reuben on a west hurley thompson made me kind of disgusted, it was like half price. No thanks. Selling an MG is not like selling a 2015 Honda, with a bunch of lowballers and no-shows. Thanks. I need to make up my mind and do it if I'm gonna do it. |
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Originally Posted By sleestakwhisperer: I'm amazed to hear about these parts. everyone talked about getting parts made for years on end but nobody ever took the plunge The FNC is a fantastic gun. Mine was really cool, it even had an FNC armson occluded optical sight in an FNC mount. when i owned mine, I had like $7k into the gun and sear, and NIB vector uzis were about $8k. Plus I had a minty colt M16a1 so I swapped the fnc for the UZI That was a very sound swap at the time. I think I’d choose my Uzi over my fnc if I had to keep one, sell one. |
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Originally Posted By jimmybcool: Thanks. I need to make up my mind and do it if I'm gonna do it. Originally Posted By jimmybcool: Originally Posted By sleestakwhisperer: There is absolutely NO reason why you should sell a transferrable machine gun at a discount. They are the hottest collectable I can think of. An M16 and an MP5 are close to the top of the heap in popularity. Take a whole bunch of nice pictures, post up to gunbroker or sturm. Put in the ad that the buyer can see the gun and paperwork in person if they like before making payment. The offer I got from Reuben on a west hurley thompson made me kind of disgusted, it was like half price. No thanks. Selling an MG is not like selling a 2015 Honda, with a bunch of lowballers and no-shows. Thanks. I need to make up my mind and do it if I'm gonna do it. Keep in mind the capital gain tax that probably goes with the sale. I believe that if one goes through an auction house for the sale, they might issue you the 1099 when the gun sells - no personal experience. One can, of course, probably offset capital gain with a like kind purchase during the allotted time frame. I've had my MGs long enough to make an outright sale somewhat unattractive when taking the capital gain tax into account. Best of luck, whatever you pursue. Not legal or tax advice, MHO, YMMV, etc. |
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The other thing to keep in mind with auctions is they show those awesome realized prices but you have to take into account that includes the 20% buyers premium and the subtract another 20% for sellers premium. Actual in the sellers pocket is 40% less than the posted realized price. Sell them yourself on Sturm or Gunbroker or something |
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Originally Posted By Banshee35: The other thing to keep in mind with auctions is they show those awesome realized prices but you have to take into account that includes the 20% buyers premium and the subtract another 20% for sellers premium. Actual in the sellers pocket is 40% less than the posted realized price. Sell them yourself on Sturm or Gunbroker or something The caveat is that the people who spend nosebleed money on high end collectables do not usually buy on ham-and-egg sites like Gunbroker. But there is no downside to listing on gunbroker or sturm. List your $75,000 mint Colt Thompson on those sites and if it doesn't sell to the ham-and-eggers, let one of the fancy auction houses list it. |
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20% buyers premium is paid by the buyer. But ya you don't get the listed Morphy's or RIA 100% listed price. 80% or less not sure if RIA still pays shipping from seller to auction house. I know around 2015 they would send a rep out if your collection was large enough and deemed collectible enough then pay to get it to their auction house. Or pay shipping fees if they felt your consignment was worth a final price. Not sure if that is still the case anymore. If you have to pay the shipping to them figure that in. Legit NFA shipping with insurance and over night fees can be a few bux. Think of it as the death of a thousand cuts. Everyone starts getting 150 -200 bux that touches it can affect your final payout. |
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Right, the buyers premium is paid by the buyer but when you look at their completed auctions and price realized they have included that buyers premium in that number. So let’s say the hammer proceeds on a gun is $10K, they will show the realized price as $12K on their website but in reality the seller got $8K I mean they provide a service, draw the bidders, their catalogs are top quality but they are making 40% for their efforts. |
| I have a Nambu Type 99 and as far as spare parts go, there are repros of smaller parts like firing pins and extractors available, and occasionally a parts kit from a chopped up unregistered gun appears with the larger components. I have a 7.62x39 conversion barrel and AK mag adapter as well although I prefer to shoot 7.7mm and some companies are making that again if you don't reload. There are a few repro spare parts for my Nambu Type 11 as well but not as many, and 6.5x50mm is also commercially available if you don't reload. I got them more for collecting than shooting but do shoot them both. |
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Originally Posted By Banshee35: Right, the buyers premium is paid by the buyer but when you look at their completed auctions and price realized they have included that buyers premium in that number. So let’s say the hammer proceeds on a gun is $10K, they will show the realized price as $12K on their website but in reality the seller got $8K I mean they provide a service, draw the bidders, their catalogs are top quality but they are making 40% for their efforts. As a buyer, they definitely update it with the buyer's premium on top of the amount they bidded. It makes sense since that might make the next buyer bid to that level + premium. The buyer and seller premiums = auction house huge profits. I'd sell at Sturmgewehr but I guess you can never know since I've seen some huge auction prices that the seller wins out. |
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Originally Posted By Dakota_Don: You GOTTA try it at least once! GOTTA, I say!!  I know it already came up, but don’t do this without adding a stock. The Micro Uzi looks and sounds cool until an unfamiliar shooter tries one. They have a high cyclic rate, less real estate for your second hand compared to a Mac or others, and they have a tendency to flip on axis under recoil. It’s one of the few guns which, when in perfect shape with factory ammo and used as designed, has a body count with unfamiliar recreational shooters too. Adding a stock definitely helps with controllability. It’s still a wild ride, but it’s not so dangerous to the shooter. Start with 2-3 rounds in the mag and get used to the gun. Then up to five, seven, etc., before trying fully loaded mags. |
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Originally Posted By prebans: I know it already came up, but don't do this without adding a stock. The Micro Uzi looks and sounds cool until an unfamiliar shooter tries one. They have a high cyclic rate, less real estate for your second hand compared to a Mac or others, and they have a tendency to flip on axis under recoil. It's one of the few guns which, when in perfect shape with factory ammo and used as designed, has a body count with unfamiliar recreational shooters too. Adding a stock definitely helps with controllability. It's still a wild ride, but it's not so dangerous to the shooter. Start with 2-3 rounds in the mag and get used to the gun. Then up to five, seven, etc., before trying fully loaded mags. I sold it as I rarely shot it and was always worried about letting other people shoot it. I also have a transferrable Mini UZI and if you drop in a closed bolt in the Mini, it has the same cyclic rate as the Micro as the distance the bolt travels is the same. You need to put the buffer in the back for the proper distance for the striker assembly. So if I want to run that high cyclic rate in my Mini I can quickly do so with more to hold onto with the Mini than the Micro.  Micro UZI Closed vs Open bolt |
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Originally Posted By Banshee35: I have a MAC M11A1 and while it's fun to run like a scalded cat in 380 I get nervous if it's somebody unfamiliar with shooting full auto and I make them run it with the suppressor so they have a bit more to grab onto and less likely to shoot off their finger. |
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I just had a get together at my personal range and let a few friends run the heck out of two machineguns and here's the results. Uzi: In both 22 and 9mm it never misfired. My 22 kit is tuned per the instructions on Uzitalk. Probably 150 rounds in 22 were fired and about 500 in 9mm. The only mishap was on the way to the range when it slipped off my shoulder and fell into the mud and was run over by the back tire of my dirtbike. No problem just shake out the mud. Mac 11A1: This gun was set up in 556. Around 500 rounds fired and no problems. The gun also runs great with my Lage K Suomi upper and a first gen Lage 9mm upper. |
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As much as the general idea behind bans and restrictions at public shoots annoys me, the one I understand is no renting of Micro Uzis, unmodified / stock Mac series, any Mac with a Mac Jack or similar, etc. There’s just too much risk and liability. The one shoot I left was because the guy next to me was renting a stockless Micro in .45 acp. After the second time a renter lost control, I paid him to rent it and told him he could re-rent it after I was packed up and gone. Snail-mailed the shoot coordinator that night from the hotel. About a week later, to their credit, he called, apologized, and refunded my fees. They held one or two more shoots in the late-00s and that was it. |
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Originally Posted By Banshee35: I have a MAC M11A1 and while it’s fun to run like a scalded cat in 380 I get nervous if it’s somebody unfamiliar with shooting full auto and I make them run it with the suppressor so they have a bit more to grab onto and less likely to shoot off their finger. My shooting MACs are equipped with Lage uppers. Still, for new MG shooters, I start them off with magazines loaded with 3 rounds only until they get used to the proper hold on the gun. High RPM, open-bolt guns seem to have the steepest learning curve, even for people with plenty of experience shooting other firearms. |
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Originally Posted By Makarov: My shooting MACs are equipped with Lage uppers. Still, for new MG shooters, I start them off with magazines loaded with 3 rounds only until they get used to the proper hold on the gun. High RPM, open-bolt guns seem to have the steepest learning curve, even for people with plenty of experience shooting other firearms. Very wise. I normally start with one round once, just so they know the recoil and noise level. Then three until they've got that, then five, and then 10 until they can demonstrate successfully controlled bursts. Some people call it paranoid, but I witnessed someone shoot their hand. It's funny; people look at me when I recommend mounted beltfeds for new shooters. They're actually safer because they're weighted down and belts are easier for the assistant (experienced) gunner to twist to stop the shooting versus dropping a mag from a wildly firing SMG. |
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Originally Posted By Makarov: I shoot all my transferable machineguns. I even popped the cherry on a NIW “Auto” marked M16A2. The days are long but the years are a short. I choose to live, now. I don’t certainly abuse them but I enjoy them. My heirs will still get plenty for them when I’m gone. 
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Originally Posted By Makarov: I shoot all my transferable machineguns. I even popped the cherry on a NIW “Auto” marked M16A2. The days are long but the years are a short. I choose to live, now. I don’t certainly abuse them but I enjoy them. My heirs will still get plenty for them when I’m gone. Bravo, dude!! Great minds think alike. No sense in buying something only to store it. |
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Originally Posted By Makarov: I shoot all my transferable machineguns. I even popped the cherry on a NIW “Auto” marked M16A2. The days are long but the years are a short. I choose to live, now. I don’t certainly abuse them but I enjoy them. My heirs will still get plenty for them when I’m gone. Right on. I took a serious look at my collection and applied this same principle. I ended up selling or trading quite a few MGs: Why? I kept what I was shooting and found that I was taking out to shoot more regularly: Examples - tied to the concept of "shootable" MGs - I enjoy shooting the MAC with Lage K upper more than the UZI or Stens. - I enjoy shooting the BRP Stemple in either 9mm or .45 setups and found it was more enjoyable than the Thompson, MP40, or Reising. - I enjoy shooting the M16 more than the AC-556 or the second MAC with .223 upper - I considered the WWII stuff was only getting shot like twice a year on holidays (more for show than for personal enjoyment) So even the appeal of a historical collection didn't override the concept of just keeping what you shoot. I did still keep some of the ones that were just fun to shoot even if they didn't get out as often (like the AM180). |
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Originally Posted By Makarov: I shoot all my transferable machineguns. I even popped the cherry on a NIW "Auto" marked M16A2. The days are long but the years are a short. I choose to live, now. I don't certainly abuse them but I enjoy them. My heirs will still get plenty for them when I'm gone. I have all my lowers modified for these PDQ's and love using them. I love having the ability to lock the bolt back with my right index finger. This design has been copied by HK, SIG, Silencerco and several other manufacturers. Years ago I would never have considered doing this to an expensive transferrable but now that I'm older, I just don't give a shit.  |
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Shootable, would be the m-16 platform all the way. most parts and cheapest to replace. a colt commando setup in 9mm with a suppressor is one of my all time favorites. a sten is second for controlability and parts. mp-40 easy to shoot and parts are too expensive persae. thompsons suck to be honest hated it all the way. a close contender is the steyer aug in full auto. |
| My sten is dead nuts good to go , cheap parts and mags . Have had 1 malfunction in the last 1-2k rounds fired. The sten just needs a properly placed ejector ( thank you Andrewski) a good extractor and properly fitted mags. I have about a 20-30 percent success rates on sten mags . I buy 10-20 at a time and test each one , if it jams I throw them in the sell pile and keep the good ones. From what I have experienced owning 3 stens and having friends with them as well is a mag that works in mine might not work in yours. Otherwise it is a fantastic fun piece of ww2 that you can enjoy ! |
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Love my Vector Uzi. In a perfect world I would carry it every day. Also have 22lr and 45ACP kits that function perfectly...though the 22 kit tends to eat casings. I also have an SA48 in Izzy HB on a Springfield receiver. <-------That pushing 'shootable' standing, but stoopid fun on the bipod. I have a friend with a Sterling that makes me regret not buying one when he did (about $6500 IIRC). |
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