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Posted: 3/25/2013 8:18:54 PM EDT
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I bought it for the usual reasons, had a 33 and 17 round magazine laying around from when I had a glock 17. I started watching them sell on gunbroker and had bid on several but they always sold for more than the $650 limit I had placed on myself. Then I found one with a "buy it now" for $499, NIB and 9mm just like I wanted. The auction had only been on an hour and I got it.
I had heard the sights were a weak part of the gun but I thought I could either live with them or add a dot sight. Took it to the range last week and was surprised how hard it was to ling up the front and rear sight. My cheek bone was right on top of the tube to line them up. I had already put the rubber buffer tube cover on it to protect my cheek but I still had to stop shooting after 15rds or I might have a black eye in the morning. It didn't shoot to the point of aim for me. Adjusting the front sight looked like a PITA. It did shoot a nice small group. Bottom line is.... This thing will sit till I find a new forearm with a rail on it. Might try a stock extension too. |
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The Sub is a niche firearm...you really can't compare it to "standard" carbines or rifles. Its strength is that it is super light and folds up for easy transport. Its not a plinker or something intended for long range sessions. I have one, but it is part of a collection of multiple PCC's. It is my least shot PCC for the reasons you state. Also, do to its construction I don't see it lasting nearly as long as my Beretta Storm CX-4 or my Marlin Camp Carbine (or even as my Hi-Point 995TS).. Same goes for a AR in 9mm or even my TNW ASR. Those guns were made to shoot and far more pleasant and robust. If you were to compare say the TNW to the Sub the Sub looks pretty flimsy. For that you get a very light and handy firearm but not one I care to put thousands of rounds through.BTW, my Sub is the Sub9 and I find the sights on it much better than the Sub2k which was built as a less expensive to produce version of the concept. Adding a rail and other optics, etc. on a Sub, to me at least, seems to render it unable to perform its primary function, the ability to be a light and compact firearm that folds up and tucks away in a small space until needed. Its an individual thing but trying to convert this handy little rifle into some "Tactical" style firearm just doesn't fly with some of us Sub owners. Go find a Just Right Carbine, a 9mm AR or a TWN ASR for that...they are GTG without modification.
Now Sub fans are going to come along and flame me for this telling us they have 10k of .40 caliber or something down their Subs and they go out and burn up hundreds of rounds at a time.. That's OK, but I look at my other PCC's and the Sub just isn't built that sturdy nor is it as comfy to shoot a lot ompared to the other PCC's I have. . |
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Yep....they make on.....and putting it on is a bit involved as I believe you take off the front sight which is held on my Loc-Tite if I recall. Of course getting the front sight back on straight is another issue. BUT, if you never plan on using it no matter. I guess I am spoiled by a collection of PCC's where I bought each for its strengths. Due to that thinking transforming it into something its not just doesn't fit into my vision for each firearm. I like the Sub the way it is. But to be fair I have the original Sub9 which I feel has a better factory sight than the newer Sub2k. YMMV. For optics and durability in a pseudo tactical carbine I like thise one. Its fits well, shoots smoothly, built very robustly, comes with mounting provision for optics, takes Glock magazines and in 20 seconds with no tools it comes apart into two pieces only 16 inches long. And, $575 new. TNW ASR: |
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The Red Lion stuff is very nice.....and its very $$$ also. But, to each his own. I still like my Sub9 as it came from the factory, but each of us is different. The sub has its place. I but the Sub bling money into my TNW ASR which needs nothing but a good optic...and it has the rail there ready for it.
We all have different tastes and ambitions. Red Lion has done quite the job on making some good product for the Sub, I can certainly see how people could like their stuff. |
| I find it is not a "fun" gun to shoot (as in I don't regularly take it to the range for plinking) but the novelty of it appeals to me and the fact that I can fold it up into an easy to carry and inconspicuous package (not drawing unwanted attention) BUT quickly employ it as an accurate (better than a handgun at 50yrds+) reliable and high capacity defensive weapon gives it a quality all its own. |
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Tweaking the front sight is a little bit of meatball surgery, but if you are patient once you get it right you're all set. I agree the recoil buffer makes recoil much softer, though in a separate topic I am wondering whether that caused two FTEs I had today.
The Sub 2K is really about being able to transport a rifle inconspicuously, and you make sacrifices for that ability. |
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I find it is not a "fun" gun to shoot (as in I don't regularly take it to the range for plinking) but the novelty of it appeals to me and the fact that I can fold it up into an easy to carry and inconspicuous package (not drawing unwanted attention) BUT quickly employ it as an accurate (better than a handgun at 50yrds+) reliable and high capacity defensive weapon gives it a quality all its own. +1 That is what the Sub is all about. I have a collection of PCC's and each has its strengths. For me I don't see doing too much modification to a firearm as I try to buy what fits my needs or wants to begin with. I can't see trying to make a Sub into a AR...just doesn't make it. |
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Before you go to the trouble and expense of putting a different sight on it, take the time to adjust the stock sights and see how it does for you.
Under ideal conditions, I can get 4-6" groups from mine at 100 yards, with the stock sights. Ideal conditions means a bullseye big enough to "dot the i" with precision. For me, that's a 6" bull. Google Hickock45 on youtube, he's got a review of the Sub where he hits a gong at 230 (?) yards pretty regularly. My point it, once the stock sights are set for you, they have their advantages. Real quick to acquire, once you learn to get your cheek down. And reasonably accurate. My favorite experience with the Sub was when I took my sons shooting and brought it along. Shot a 1gal milk jug at 125 yards. First shot. I think I was more impressed than they were. Anyway, try getting the stock sights adjusted before you modify. You might shoot them better than you think. And if not, at least they'll be good as your backup sights. |
| Good point. I find the stock sights work just fine for me. When I got mine the sights were not set up properly for me. A little time adjusting them was well worth the effort. Set properly the rifle did just great. It had "minute of tin can" accuracy at 25-50 yards, the distance I normally get to shoot my PCC's. Good enough for what I plan on doing with the little carbine. |
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