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Originally Posted By SMFdarkangel: More to follow… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/216696/IMG_6810_jpeg-2813572.JPG View Quote How long did this take to come in? Several weeks right? |
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On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux.
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Originally Posted By SMFdarkangel: More to follow… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/216696/IMG_6810_jpeg-2813572.JPG View Quote Ah!! Guess I should try calling customer service again! |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux.
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Originally Posted By SMFdarkangel: More to follow… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/216696/IMG_6810_jpeg-2813572.JPG View Quote Interesting. That sure looks like the legacy adjustment paddles. They are interchangeable. Just surprised to see them on an FO3. |
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Originally Posted By doolz: Based on the second pic, looks like a bad round went off inside the chamber. Maybe a squib beforehand? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By doolz: Originally Posted By GrAvril: First time I’ve ever seen this, anyone else? https://www.instagram.com/p/CrOqMyWPIUU/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Based on the second pic, looks like a bad round went off inside the chamber. Maybe a squib beforehand? I’m not seeing anything there that would really indicate anything in particular, it’s just a broken FA housing. Not sure how you’d get “bad round” or squib considering you’re not seeing any other part of the gun. The one thing I do notice is the cavity that holds the port door rod is split in two. I could potentially see a defect in the plastic allowing a crack to form and then a final straw of firing with the dust cover closed exerting enough force (through the carrier forcing open the dust cover) to cause complete failure. If it was a common problem, I think it would be known by now, so I’d lean towards “one-off” defect during the molding process (so long as the “happened for no reason at all” is accurate). |
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Comparing the Virtus and Rattler
Are the bolts the same? Safety latches? Charging handles? Thanks |
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Originally Posted By ThatGuyTheCooler: Comparing the Virtus and Rattler Are the bolts the same? Safety latches? Charging handles? Thanks View Quote Bolts are the same. Safety latch is the same. Rattler comes with shorter levers for the charging handle but it can use the same charging handle that the Virtus has. |
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Originally Posted By ThatGuyTheCooler: Comparing the Virtus and Rattler Are the bolts the same? Safety latches? Charging handles? Thanks View Quote Sig LVAW, MCX, Virtus, Rattler, and Spear-LT series FAQ |
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: Did a little more subsonic 300blk testing. The tl;dr version is the CGS Hyperion vents enough gas to annular space early in the process that it doesn't leave enough gas in the system to adequately function the 6.75" gun with the old F01 piston. Would love to test with the F03 piston but yall already know how getting one of those is going for me.... MCX Virtus. 2 barrels (6.75" with F01 and 9" with F02). 3 cans (CGS Hyperion, CGS Hyperion K, and Rugged Micro30). 6 subsonic ammo types (Gorilla Ammo 220gr, Remington 220gr, Gorilla Ammo 215gr Berger, Sig Sauer 220gr, Hornady 208gr, Discrete Ballistics 190gr, and one supersonic load, Gorilla Ammo 147gr). Test procedure: Load two rounds. Gun has to cycle, eject, feed and lock back on an empty magazine to pass The 1 on the chart indicates a failure to pass the test, the 2 is for a pass on the (+) setting and the 3 indicates a pass on the (-) setting. The gun: https://i.imgur.com/CkrkAhs.jpg 6.75" barrel testing: https://i.imgur.com/qfjLsfd.png 9" barrel testing with the same ammo and suppressors: https://i.imgur.com/Cf1Z0o8.png Comparing how Remington 220, Discrete Ballistics 190 and Gorilla Ammo 147gr supers performed: https://i.imgur.com/YetsLIs.png If you are using a higher backpressure can, especially with a longer barrel you should be able to get anything to function in the Virtus on (+). It's with the short barrel and lower backpressure (for lack of a better term) that I can see others having issues like I did. I suspect all the newer flowthrough cans from oss/hux and copycats would also struggle, but I don't have one to test. Would also love to test the F03 valve with the Hyperion but.....well.....Sig doing Sig things, eff me for buying a 6.75" barrel too early on in their consumer beta testing I guess. Hope this helps someone else, I found it interesting. View Quote IM sent. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Ok...so where do I get one of those F03 valves? Sig store just showed F01 and F02 for a whopping $149! But no F03......
Sucks that I have to buy this thing just to get my 6.75 tacops to be consistent.....typical Sig.... |
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Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: Ok...so where do I get one of those F03 valves? Sig store just showed F01 and F02 for a whopping $149! But no F03...... Sucks that I have to buy this thing just to get my 6.75 tacops to be consistent.....typical Sig.... View Quote just call them. theyve always taken care of me. |
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Click To View Spoiler Originally Posted By 74novaman: Did a little more subsonic 300blk testing. The tl;dr version is the CGS Hyperion vents enough gas to annular space early in the process that it doesn't leave enough gas in the system to adequately function the 6.75" gun with the old F01 piston. Would love to test with the F03 piston but yall already know how getting one of those is going for me.... MCX Virtus. 2 barrels (6.75" with F01 and 9" with F02). 3 cans (CGS Hyperion, CGS Hyperion K, and Rugged Micro30). 6 subsonic ammo types (Gorilla Ammo 220gr, Remington 220gr, Gorilla Ammo 215gr Berger, Sig Sauer 220gr, Hornady 208gr, Discrete Ballistics 190gr, and one supersonic load, Gorilla Ammo 147gr). Test procedure: Load two rounds. Gun has to cycle, eject, feed and lock back on an empty magazine to pass The 1 on the chart indicates a failure to pass the test, the 2 is for a pass on the (+) setting and the 3 indicates a pass on the (-) setting. The gun: https://i.imgur.com/CkrkAhs.jpg 6.75" barrel testing: https://i.imgur.com/qfjLsfd.png 9" barrel testing with the same ammo and suppressors: https://i.imgur.com/Cf1Z0o8.png Comparing how Remington 220, Discrete Ballistics 190 and Gorilla Ammo 147gr supers performed: https://i.imgur.com/YetsLIs.png If you are using a higher backpressure can, especially with a longer barrel you should be able to get anything to function in the Virtus on (+). It's with the short barrel and lower backpressure (for lack of a better term) that I can see others having issues like I did. I suspect all the newer flowthrough cans from oss/hux and copycats would also struggle, but I don't have one to test. Would also love to test the F03 valve with the Hyperion but.....well.....Sig doing Sig things, eff me for buying a 6.75" barrel too early on in their consumer beta testing I guess. Hope this helps someone else, I found it interesting. View Quote That is some awesome testing, does the Hyperion fit under the SD handguard? Looking at the specs the can is 1.75" and the SD handguard ID is 1.75. I was wanting to run the SD handguard for my CGS Helios QD but I didn't think it would fit. Thank you ahead of time |
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Originally Posted By Fate0n3: That is some awesome testing, does the Hyperion fit under the SD handguard? Looking at the specs the can is 1.75" and the SD handguard ID is 1.75. I was wanting to run the SD handguard for my CGS Helios QD but I didn't think it would fit. Thank you ahead of time View Quote The Helios and Hyperion both fit just fine. |
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Originally Posted By Fate0n3: That is some awesome testing, does the Hyperion fit under the SD handguard? Looking at the specs the can is 1.75" and the SD handguard ID is 1.75. I was wanting to run the SD handguard for my CGS Helios QD but I didn't think it would fit. Thank you ahead of time View Quote Yes, hyperion fits with room to spare to mount accessories |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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I'm not sure at this point how many emails/calls I've made about trying to buy a F03 piston, but today must be my lucky day because it finally worked.
Granted, first I was told that forum members who claim to have convinced Sig to send them a F03 like several of yall have are "wackadoos who are probably lying". Hopefully mine doesn't take 6 months to come in like SDMs did, but when it finally arrives I will repeat all the testing I did on the 6.75" with the F01 piston using the same suppressors, same ammo, and the F03 piston instead. Hopefully it improves function with several of the subsonic loads the F01 piston struggled with. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: I'm not sure at this point how many emails/calls I've made about trying to buy a F03 piston, but today must be my lucky day because it finally worked. Granted, first I was told that forum members who claim to have convinced Sig to send them a F03 like several of yall have are "wackadoos who are probably lying". Hopefully mine doesn't take 6 months to come in like SDMs did, but when it finally arrives I will repeat all the testing I did on the 6.75" with the F01 piston using the same suppressors, same ammo, and the F03 piston instead. Hopefully it improves function with several of the subsonic loads the F01 piston struggled with. View Quote Let’s gooooooo. Looking forward to seeing your results bro. I am 100% a whackadoodle |
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Originally Posted By brazos609: @74novaman How about listing loads 1-16 for us. View Quote 1) Gorilla Ammo Barnes 110gr Tac TX 2) Gorilla Ammo 147gr 3) Gorilla Ammo 125gr 4) American Eagle 150gr 5) Barnes 120gr 6) Sig 120gr* (called flyer) 7) Hornady 110gr V Max 8) Remington 150gr 9) Winchester 147gr 10) Gorilla Ammo 215gr Berger 11) Gorilla Ammo 220gr 12) Remington 220gr 13) Sig 220gr 14) S&B 200gr 15) Hornady 208gr 16) Discrete Ballistics 190gr |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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I love a happy ending.
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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How did you get a F03 gas valve if you don't mind me asking?
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Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: How did you get a F03 gas valve if you don't mind me asking? View Quote Multiple, multiple calls and emails to sig customer service asking them to not abandon those of us dumb enough to buy a 6.75" barrel before the update until I finally got someone on the phone willing to place the order. They wanted me to send the gun in. I had to fight that, because Sig already knows whats wrong and I know what was wrong: it needed a F03 to function with a high flow suppressor. There was no need to send the gun in. They finally let me buy a F03 and got it shipped out to me. I believe the current 6.75" x change kit comes with both the F01 and F03 so you can make it work for whatever suppressor you have. It was just us early adapters that didn't also manage to snag a SRD762 before they quit making them that got left holding the bag. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Gotcha. Thanks for that.
I am unlucky in my pursuit to get a F03 valve. I do have a SRD can for my F01 valve but it’s ammo picky. Is what it is…I don’t plan on buying anything else Sig anyways…. |
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Originally Posted By 74novaman:I believe the current 6.75" x change kit comes with both the F01 and F03 so you can make it work for whatever suppressor you have. View Quote I can confirm this is the case. Originally Posted By 74novaman: My F03 gas valve came in and I was able to do some additional testing with it. In summary, IMO the F03 piston is absolutely a must for non traditional cans that use Hyperion tech. I suspect this also holds true for flow through and other high flow rate suppressors, but I don't own any to test. View Quote Super stoked everything worked out man. I was not able to get my Hyperion + 6.75" combo to reliably cycle subs, even with the F03... tried a second 6.75" bbl assembly with similar results. My 9" CALX has been 100% reliable however and I can live with the extra 2.25". I have a Full Nelson pending that will go on my 6.75". Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: I am unlucky in my pursuit to get a F03 valve. I do have a SRD can for my F01 valve but it’s ammo picky. Is what it is…I don’t plan on buying anything else Sig anyways…. View Quote That sucks dude. Will forward you the IM I sent @74novaman |
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Originally Posted By sbye: Are these valves labeled? I haven't even looked at mine to see what it is, but I haven't had any cycling issues yet. Current setup https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/260726/1000005878-2980661.jpg View Quote Yep, they are marked on top. Is that a Sig SRD can? If so you probably wont have any issues with the old F01. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By SMFdarkangel: Super stoked everything worked out man. I was not able to get my Hyperion + 6.75" combo to reliably cycle subs, even with the F03... tried a second 6.75" bbl assembly with similar results. My 9" CALX has been 100% reliable however and I can live with the extra 2.25". I have a Full Nelson pending that will go on my 6.75". View Quote Thanks, me too! Always loved the gun but love it even more now. Dang, sorry to hear that on your function issues. My uneducated guess is the early venting in the Hyperion robs enough gas from the system to cause cycling issues. Full Nelson will probably work since its a higher backpressure can, but still nice and quiet. Did you try any of the same ammo I did with the 6.75”+hyperion combo or other loads? |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By sbye: Are these valves labeled? I haven't even looked at mine to see what it is, but I haven't had any cycling issues yet. Current setup https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/260726/1000005878-2980661.jpg View Quote LVAW looking very nice. |
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: Yep, they are marked on top. Is that a Sig SRD can? If so you probably wont have any issues with the old F01. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 74novaman: Yep, they are marked on top. Is that a Sig SRD can? If so you probably wont have any issues with the old F01. Yeah, it's the longer Ti can. I'll have to check it out tonight and see what is on it. Thanks! Originally Posted By doolz: LVAW looking very nice. Thanks! I love it. |
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: Thanks, me too! Always loved the gun but love it even more now. Dang, sorry to hear that on your function issues. My uneducated guess is the early venting in the Hyperion robs enough gas from the system to cause cycling issues. Full Nelson will probably work since its a higher backpressure can, but still nice and quiet. Did you try any of the same ammo I did with the 6.75”+hyperion combo or other loads? View Quote I’ve played around with Discreet Ballistics 190gr, Winchester 200gr, and Ammo Inc 220gr. My Hyperion / F03 combo is on the bleeding edge of reliability. The difference between cycling on the 6.75” and 9” barrel is night and day. I have some other .30 cal cans but I prefer the Hyperion for the weight and sound performance. The Q Half Nelson offers comparable performance in Pew Science testing so I won’t be giving up much. |
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On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux.
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I might try a J02 gas valve and see how that works on the 6.75". The "-" setting is overkill for supers but it should edge out the F03 for subs on "+".
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On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux.
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Link error.
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Anyone chop their Virtus to 14.5”? Any issues with this?
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Pardon my ignorance, but which SRD is that? Stainless? Ti? 10 baffle? 14 baffle? Whatever it is, it's terrible and should be sent to me for disposal |
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Snagged a canebreak rattler, and of course the short legacy rattler handguards are OOS everywhere and likely discontinued.
So if anyone has a spare they want to sell, let me know. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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So - should I be using a “G” marked latch if I am running a BCM PNT trigger in a legacy MCX?
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Originally Posted By SMFdarkangel: I might try a J02 gas valve and see how that works on the 6.75". The "-" setting is overkill for supers but it should edge out the F03 for subs on "+". View Quote Is there any resource you can point me to that shows the sizes or what order the gas plugs are in? I have a legacy MCX 300 BLK 16" barrel with E05 gas plug and I would really like to get a more restrictive plug to try and soften the recoil with supers. It is over gassed even on the "-" setting with supers. @SMFdarkangel |
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Originally Posted By SemperGumbi: Is there any resource you can point me to that shows the sizes or what order the gas plugs are in? I have a legacy MCX 300 BLK 16" barrel with E05 gas plug and I would really like to get a more restrictive plug to try and soften the recoil with supers. It is over gassed even on the "-" setting with supers. @SMFdarkangel View Quote https://sheffieldtactical.com/f/sig-mcx-gas-plug-port-sizes Good luck with your search. Sounds like legacy and Virtus parts are already drying up. |
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