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Posted: 11/8/2005 12:48:51 PM EDT
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I've done some checking about sighting in an FAL as I have recently acquired a Stg 58 from a fellow board member. It shoots way low - like 6" at 25 yards or so. I only had time for a quick function firing, so I didn't have more exact data. It's a 2-dot front post, and it would zero with the rear sight set to 500 yards. The front sight is screwed in a ways, but not bottomed out by any means. This was shooting Port .308 if it matters. |
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Bottom it out, and see what you get - IIRC, it should be shooting a little low at 25 yards for a proper zero - but not THAT low... Ideally, you want a 200 yard zero, or hitting 2" high at 100 yards with your 200 yard setting... If you can't obtain that with the 2 dot front post, you can either take a little off it, or try a 1 dot post... One of 'em should get you sighted in... It isn't the Port, BTW - that stuff is as good asit gets.... - georgestrings |
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This is really odd. I haven't had a chance to go to the range, but I did get a laser bore sighter. I checked the bore sighter against some other rifles I have sighted in, and it seems to be in the ballpark. With the front sight screwed all the way down, and th rear sight at 200, no matter how short the front sight post is would alow the rifle to zero. As is is, with the front sight screwed all the way down, I'm barely going to be able to zero the rifle at 100 with the rear sight set to 600 - and even that might require filing down the front sight a little bit more. What would make this rifle be off by that much? |
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There are 4 different front sight heights for Belgian (and Austrian) FALs (with a #4 being the highest), you might try going to a smaller sight. DSA has them here -JZ |
Haven't a clue what your problem is. Time to eliminate some possible causes. For one, remove the muzzle device. Next, verify that your rifle is, in fact bone stock. Pay particular attention to the front and rear sights, and their bases. Here's a site that might help with identification:www.gunthings.com I am no expert, but IIRC, mismatched front and rear sights have been observed on occasion. |
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Yeah - DSA it is. It's all correct - I've been able to ascertain that much. The MB is silver-soldered on, but like I said - it appears to be concentric to the bore. I've sent an email to their tech support, and will probably call them as well and update my post. [Edited to add] Just got off the phone with them. He said that they do check the POI before it leaves DSA, and that there would most likely be charge incurred if I send in my rifle. I'll also check with the guy I bought it from (Moderator here on the board) and see if it has always shot low. |
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One other thing. I built a G1 that shot fine. Then, I bought a flash hider for it (after the ban ended), and it shot 6" off it’s original point of aim—even though there were no bullet strikes inside the device. If DSA is going to charge you for service, then I would do the work myself. Plus the hassle of sending it back.... I would start by removing the MD. Just use a MAPP gas set up ($40 from ACE) and go slow. I have removed one from a DSA STG58 before and it looks good. Heat it up until it just starts to bead. Then use a screw driver shoved through the holes to twist it off. BTW, clamp the barrel in a padded vice FACING DOWNWARD so the solder does not drip into the barrel. If it gets stuck halfway, stop and heat it up again. Do not heat to cherry red; you do not want slag to build up in your barrel. Wipe the excess solder off with a damp rag. Then, heat it a little more and wipe down the park with an oily rag (don’t let it catch fire), and you won’t be able to see any difference—it will look new… Screw on the new flash suppressor. I’ll bet this solves most of your problems. |
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Zhukov - Sorry for not getting back to this sooner... There IS another solution - you can obtain either one of the Indian flip-up rear sights, or an inch rear sight - they are both taller than a standard metric rear sight, and will raise your POI... I've found the GunPartsGuy to be an excellent parts source for either - I'll get you a link to his website.... - georgestrings |
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Here it is: www.gunpartsguy.com/ One of the best sources available for FAL parts - and a great guy, too!!! - georgestrings |
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georgestrings: That's what I'm thinking - just get a Isreali tall rear sight blade. That ought to get it close. If the rifle shoots accurately - no signs of bent barrels of bullets hitting muzzle brakes - then this is probably the cheapest way to go. Thanks for the help. |
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Zhukov - You're certainly welcome... I'd strongly consider one of those Indian flip-ups, if I were you - they're pretty nice, and will probably get you right where you want to be - and the "come ups" are in yards, not meters... I put one on my 16" carbine(which typically shoot a bit lower than a 21"), and like it alot - if you plan on using some sort of optics later on, the flip ups can't be beat, IMO... Check out GPS's site - I think he sells those Indians for around $20.... - georgestrings |
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Yup - sorry , bud - I just looked, and all I can find is estore.websitepros.com/832529/Detail.bok?no=165 Maybe if you shoot James an email, he *might* still have an Indian sight kicking around - he should have an email address on his site... Odds are the Inch sight will work, but if not, you could do what I did for a friend with one: I tigged in the hole, then drilled another one a bit lower, then ground down and reshaped the sight blade - afterwards, hitting it with some cold bluing... It actually looked pretty good when it was finished, and worked quite well for him... - georgestrings |
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One more update: I just got back from the range and shot another 20 rounds through it, and got it to zero at 25 yards with the front sight screwed almost all the way down and the rear set to 400 yards. If I remember correctly, the bullet should hit around 4" low at 25, so if I move the rear to 300, I might be pretty close. Daylight ran out on me, but for now I'm pretty happy. There's almost no chance in heck that the bullets are hitting the MB - nice round holes, and it shoots accurately (about 1.5" at 25 yards in very dim conditions). Any which way - I'm not going to send the rifle in. Chances are, I wouldn't be shooting with iron sights much past 200 anyway, so worst case scenario, I know I could get it zeroed properly with a taller rear sight. |
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Take a look here: www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21844&highlight=Sight%2A - georgestrings |
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One more update: I just received a Israeli tall rear sight, and I was able to perfectly zero it at 25 yards with my laser bore sighter, and the rear set to 200 like it's supposed to. Realistically - even the short rear would have been fine when set to 400 (0 at 25/200 yards). That still would have given me 200 more yards of play on the rear, which is more than enough for an iron-sight rifle. |
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