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Posted: 6/11/2006 9:33:12 PM EDT
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Well, it's bound to come up, so I thought I would start it. I can't even make an opinion on this b/c I haven't handled a steyr, but I do own an FS2000. My only thougth is that those that sit on the fence, and or don't have the funds, could tend to lean to the FS2000 now. |
| The AUG handles well. I just got a FS2000 but Ive shot AUGs both military and civilian since the 80s and know them well. Ive got an A2 AUG and it is pretty versatile. I like the QD barrel feature on the AUG and its a simple weapon to maintain. It is extremely reliable and accurate and is battle proven. The FS2000 looks promising, and is much cheaper, but it is as yet unproven. The forward ejection is actually a plus. I wonder if FN was courting the SAS when they designed that(off hand barricade firing was one of their main complaints about the L85A1 and Aug). Having dealt with Steyr for more than a few years, I dont really see them producing the AUG here, even though they may want to so..for the time being you can buy a pre ban AUG or USR at around 3-3.5K, figure closer to 6K for an A2 or the FS2000 for maybe 21-2300 now. |
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+1 FS2000 JohnnyMcEldoo...Cheney/Coulter for 2008. Aw man, that would be a doozie of a ticket. Any debates against the Dems involving Cheney and/or Coulter would be a bloodbath. Those two can debate and win an argument like no others I have ever seen. That ticket would have my vote and many, many others. Yes, I have an FS2000, and it is nice, nice, nice. FNHUSA is really giving the US civilian market some nice weapons of late. |
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That is a tough call. I'm a die hard Steyr fan and love my AUG A-2, but the FNS-2000 looks very revolutionary and I'm always supportive of advances in firearms tech. If the AUG A-3 were for sale though here in the United States and both it and the FNS-2000 were around the same price I'd have to go with the AUG as it really feels more ergonomic and I like that they have a lot of time to work out issues that almost always arise with new weapons like the FNS-2000. I just think it will take a few runs of the FNS-2000 to work out any possible kinks and until then I'm not going to spend a ton of money. |
| The Steyr AUG is tough to beat in my book. I wish the FN-2000 had a better designed stock. The forgrip and thumbhole stock isn't the best. I don't think you can beat the Steyr AUG for an ergonomic weapon. It is by far the most comfortable weapon I’ve ever used. I also love the clear magazines and QC barrels. I just wish we could get the weapons and spare parts cheaper though. |
My concern is the plastic thing that "slings" the case down the tube. |
When I first looked at that I was like 'I'm never going to let the gun hang on that little plastic strip. What the manual shows is the sling sinched down all the way around the entire stock and simply being held in place through those slots. The strip of plastic between the slots is not intended to bare the weight of the gun so much as to just keep the sling in its proper position on the stock (towards the rear). |
| I would have to go with the FS 2000 as i just bought one and have been vary impressed with its beefy appearance and varsital scope mount system. The Only major draw back for the AUG is the special left handed bolt requirement for south paw shooters like myself and the expensive magazines replacement cost. If Styre should reintroduce this weapon system with a good accessory and parts package to support the rifle i would love to own this gun for sure........ |
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It just looks beefy. The plastic is actually pretty cheaply made. I hope they used forged aluminum/forged steel for the receiver and other parts... unlike the PS90 which has cheap cast aluminum that dents easily and gets peened from normal usage and has a painted finish. FN's accessories are also overpriced and of cheap quality. E.g. The P90 brass catcher is just some nylon/cordura cheaply sewn to a spring steel frame ($40). Their cleaning kit is a brush and a brass chain ($20-$30). A $15 Otis kit with a "5.7mm subgun" sticker sells for $60. These are just examples of course.
The "versatile" scope mount system is just a picatinny rail that was found on the original F2000 (blocked by the large cover for the scope). The F2000 was almost designed from the ground up to use aftermarket optics. |
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Im more impressed with the ergonomics of the FS2000 now that Ive played with it. It is much handier than it looks in the photos. As compared to the AUG: Plus: Decent backup sights Picatinny rail comes stock and is pretty versatile Better trigger Safety seems easy to manipulate Forward ejection(if it works well) Minus: Plastic is probably sturdy enough but its not as tough or well finished as the AUG (gaps in seams etc) Pretty cheezy cover for the chamber area and the ejection port. AUG is still more ergonomic, slimmer No QD barrel feature Muzzle break/FH is permamently attached. Despite speculation this rifle would be US Made it is made in Belgium...so you have the attendant legal issues. They both take down similarly with the exception that the barrel on the FS2000 is not removeable from the receiver group. I dont think the FS2000 is "as good" as the AUG but it is fairly good approximation of an AUG A2 for a fraction of the cost. I think it will be a good performer for the money. My only reservation would be long term durability of some of the cheezier parts(but they are nonessential, I dont think they would put the weapon out of action). FN has been one of my favorite companies over the last 25 years or so (Browning HP, FAL, etc) and they put alot of thought in their products. At least, they are working hard to bring products to American civilians and its not that they need to. They have sewn up most of the major US military small arms contracts so far.. |
| I keep hearing how the new PS90s have a "4lb trigger" and how the FS2000s have a "fantastic trigger pull". Can someone actually measure it? My PS90 has a 7.5 lb pull with a LONG reset, far from being a good trigger. In fact, I'd take the stock single stage AR15 FCG over the PS90 stock trigger. |
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Metroplex - No disrespect meant at all, I just need to know because every time I read your posts, the same question arises in my mind. You apparently own a PS90, and even have a PS90 in your avitar. Yet, you either outright bash or subtly bash the PS90 (all FN products it seems) in almost every post you make concerning said product. Everyone has the right to complain about a product that they own (no product is perfect...except maybe the SCAR  ), but at the same time they also have a right to get rid of the product if it is causing them anguish.Again, I'm not attacking you, I just thought I'd ask so that when I read your posts I know where you are coming from, as you seem to be fairly knowledgeable about firearms in general. |
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I don't know everything about all firearms, but I can tell when the product is overpriced and feels cheap. The build quality of the FN PS90 is fairly sub-par. The plastic quality is very cheap and easily damaged (spent brass is chewing away at the plastic in the PS90 ejection chute). The seams are large, the receiver is soft cast aluminum with a crappy finish, etc... The receiver gets peened from releasing the cocking handle. The included reflex sight is a piece of junk, and FN wants $600+ for a black-reticle USG sight. Overall, you pay $1400+ and you get, IMHO, a $500 gun that uses expensive ammunition (30+ cents per round) with a maximum effective range of 200m if your reflex sight can actually aim (with precision) at a target that far. FN made a smart business decision in selling the PS90 and FS2000, but I won't be likely to purchase another FN product in the future if this trend keeps up (overpriced, low quality). I still like my PS90 because I have wanted a P90 for quite awhile. If I wanted to sell it, I'd lose out on money in the process since they are now selling for $1400-$1500. However, I still prefer my AR15s because of the build quality, durability, and versatility. |
Cheap plastic quality: It feels sturdy to me. Metal will always chew away at plastic because it is harder than the plastic. My P90 doesn't have allot of rounds through it, but the brass hasn't left a mark on the fire control group. I think your ejector and extractor need to be tuned or something. The receiver peening? I can see that happen, but it will peen to a point and then stop. That little notch that stops the charging handle isn't the only think keeping the charging handle in working order. The charging handle goes underneath the receiver and circles around the barrel. There is a rectangular peice with a hole in it that the barrel goes through. If that little lip wasnt there anymore, then the charging handle would still be stopped by the much larger strikeface of the part that goes around the barrel. Cast aluminum can be used for quite a variety of applications... some pistons for example, are cast aluminum. We just need to find out what method FN used to cast the receiver, and also find out about the heat treating. Steel is harder than aluminum, so I can excuse the peening. The plastic shell is very strudy, and I am not dissatisfied here at all. The seems are fine, that just seams pretty insignificant since the shell is so solid and the seam's don't affect the weapon. The ringsight isn't impressive, but I like it okay. It is faster to pick up than the iron sights on my AR15, so it does its job IMHO. Better technology available? Sure is, but the ringsight beats iron sights. Think of it like this: You cant look inside to outside very well, but when your in the sun or dark it lights up very well. In the dark, you cant really use an AR15s irons sights. To me, the ringsight is a bare bones holographic sight. Its deffinatly a "meh", but ill live. If you don't tune your ejector, I would suggest installing a thin aluminum panel over your FCG with some CA glue. That should take care of your problem permenantly. |
Nope, the Ringsight doesn't even show up outside on a sunny 80F day. The only way I could see the reticle was because the sun was right over me and shined light into the tritium module fiber optic, so I got the half-cross reticle in broad daylight. I had to *guess* where the center was. My iron sights on the AR-15 worked fine. For night operations, I wouldn't depend on the tritium sight on the ringsight. It's not bright enough for transitional use. You'd almost have to go with a red dot. Here's the PS90 hammer:  The AUG owners say their hammers look new after thousands of rounds. |
I am planning to purchase one fairly soon. Thanks for your input/opinion. |
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Well I disagree with metroplex on certain areas. I do feel the firearm could have been offered to us at a lower price, but I feel I have a purchased a quality firearm. I have not had the issues that Metroplex has had with his. I find the supplied optic to be very fast on target in my hands. An aimpoint will only make the gun faster. Only thing I would like changed is for it to have magazines with metal feed lips. I need to start putting together my "hitman kit" PS90 SBR with an aimpoint, several mags, the original optics in a seperate space, a spare fire control group, and a nifty locking ubiquitous looking case.  Then after that... I guess start saving for a scar if that ever goes anywhere. |
| Your range or shooting area must have more light aimed at your collector, because in broad daylight (high noon, no clouds) with the sun over me, the daylight reticle is non-existent except for a ghost image of the center 20-30 MOA circle. If you aim at a paper target (standard black bullseyes) the reticle becomes even harder to discern. I have to guess where the center of the reticle is based on the lowlight half-T reticle (no center section)! |
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Well... in shooting from dark to light it washes out a bit, but I can still discern it. Just today I had it inside our barn and was peeping outside. Hard to pick up fast, but after a few seconds I could catch the circle. I have started to take my PS90 with me everywhere I used to take my AR. Its so darn convenient because it's so small. I would probably say the same thing about an AUG too though. |
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I think you guys have taken this thread WAY off subject. This the FNS-2K vs. Steyr AUG not a thread on the PS-90. So, come on folks back on subject. I'm bias, I have an AUG A-2 that I paid at the time what I thought was a lot of money, but compared to what they are going for now I could make probably close to $1,000.00 just in profit in a resale. So, I understand why a lot of folks are saying they'd go with the FNS-2K over the AUG, but all things being equal I think that Steyr Arms would do very well selling an AUG A-3 SA version to civilians in the US. My question is how much do you think they would release the Steyr A-3 for in terms of price? Would it be over $2,000.00 or do you guys think since they are making A-3s in Malaysia they could import a lot of the parts and keep it under $2,000.00? I'm guessing that they would have to go over the $2,000.00 mark per rifle just to make a profit off having spent a ton of money to tool-up for domestic production of required US parts. I wonder why Steyr couldn't partner with a corporation here in the United States already partially tooled-up for production? Has anyone ever thought of purchasing the license to manufacture the world's most successful bullpup rifle here in the US? Well, these are the things I think of late at night dressed in my Steyr logo PJs. |
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