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Posted: 1/1/2013 5:52:20 AM EDT
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I would like to build an AR upper with permanent suppressor (16") and need some advice. Primary consideration is home defense.
Which caliber is recommended; 223, 6x45, 6.8, 300BLK, 338 spectre, 9mm, 45acp, 458 socom, 308 win (AR10)? Which suppressor? Which and what length barrel? Any help appreciated. Thanks. |
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I would like to build an AR upper with permanent suppressor (16") and need some advice. Primary consideration is home defense. Which caliber is recommended; 223, 6x45, 6.8, 300BLC, 338 spectre, 9mm, 45acp, 458 socom, 308 win (AR10)? Which suppressor? Which and what length barrel? Any help appreciated. Thanks. I'm guessing that you want to permanantly attach the suppressor to avoid paying the SBR tax, right? I dont think that is smart at all. Just do the SBR stamp at the same time you do the suppressor stamp and then you could use the supressor for other hosts as well. Think about it, nobody gets into ARs let alone suppressors because they want to save money, whats another $200. But to answer your question, for a suppressed "only" home defense weapon I would go with a 8-9" 300blk. Depending on the length of the Can you may have to go longer. |
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I would like to build an AR upper with permanent suppressor (16") and need some advice. Primary consideration is home defense. Which caliber is recommended; 223, 6x45, 6.8, 300BLC, 338 spectre, 9mm, 45acp, 458 socom, 308 win (AR10)? Which suppressor? Which and what length barrel? Any help appreciated. Thanks. I'm guessing that you want to permanantly attach the suppressor to avoid paying the SBR tax, right? I dont think that is smart at all. Just do the SBR stamp at the same time you do the suppressor stamp and then you could use the supressor for other hosts as well. Think about it, nobody gets into ARs let alone suppressors because they want to save money, whats another $200. But to answer your question, for a suppressed "only" home defense weapon I would go with a 8-9" 300blk. Depending on the length of the Can you may have to go longer. No sbrs here. 
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I would like to build an AR upper with permanent suppressor (16") and need some advice. Primary consideration is home defense. Which caliber is recommended; 223, 6x45, 6.8, 300BLC, 338 spectre, 9mm, 45acp, 458 socom, 308 win (AR10)? Which suppressor? Which and what length barrel? Any help appreciated. Thanks. I'm guessing that you want to permanantly attach the suppressor to avoid paying the SBR tax, right? I dont think that is smart at all. Just do the SBR stamp at the same time you do the suppressor stamp and then you could use the supressor for other hosts as well. Think about it, nobody gets into ARs let alone suppressors because they want to save money, whats another $200. But to answer your question, for a suppressed "only" home defense weapon I would go with a 8-9" 300blk. Depending on the length of the Can you may have to go longer. No sbrs here. Sorry, that sux. You can have suppressors but not SBRs? Weird seeing as they are both class III, even though I think of suppressors as a saftey item. |
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I would like to build an AR upper with permanent suppressor (16") and need some advice. Primary consideration is home defense. Which caliber is recommended; 223, 6x45, 6.8, 300BLC, 338 spectre, 9mm, 45acp, 458 socom, 308 win (AR10)? Which suppressor? Which and what length barrel? Any help appreciated. Thanks. I'm guessing that you want to permanantly attach the suppressor to avoid paying the SBR tax, right? I dont think that is smart at all. Just do the SBR stamp at the same time you do the suppressor stamp and then you could use the supressor for other hosts as well. Think about it, nobody gets into ARs let alone suppressors because they want to save money, whats another $200. But to answer your question, for a suppressed "only" home defense weapon I would go with a 8-9" 300blk. Depending on the length of the Can you may have to go longer. No sbrs here. Sorry, that sux. You can have suppressors but not SBRs? Weird seeing as they are both class III, even though I think of suppressors as a saftey item. The class is irrelevant. Yes, WA supressors are legal to own and use. No SBR, no Auto, no SBS. State law. We are working on SBR law change, but with all the hupla with gun issues of late; we will have to see what happens. The nice thing is we are simply making changes, one line changes, to existing laws. So it is much less of a battle, than say over turning a state awb or some such thing |
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What can is recommended for 300blk? I like noveske barrels and will prob go that route if I don't purchase a complete upper. Any .30 caliber suppressor for subs and supers. You can use a 9mm or .45 pistol suppressor too if you limit your ammo to subs only. |
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An AR is a poor choice for home defence. You risk having a lot of collateral damage from rounds going through walls, etc. 12 gauge shotgun is preferable.
Now, for a rifle to get you out of a bind if caught up in a zombie invasion, the AR is a great choice. I agree on 300BLK. Can load subsonic and is very quiet. |
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A supressed AR would be great for home defence in theory.
But you have to look at it from the media, criminal's family (my baby didn't do nuthin) and the DA's office. If you kill an intruder (deservidly so) with a "black rifle", (suppressed at that) the media and DA will make you out to look like a Charels Bronson Rambo vigilante type. I have been told that your home defence weapon should look like something that your grandfather handed down to you. do what you want though, just my .02 |
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An AR is a poor choice for home defence. You risk having a lot of collateral damage from rounds going through walls, etc. 12 gauge shotgun is preferable. Now, for a rifle to get you out of a bind if caught up in a zombie invasion, the AR is a great choice. I agree on 300BLK. Can load subsonic and is very quiet. Lol, 12 gauge shotgun rounds don't go through walls. Good to know. "But doesn't 00 Buck penetrate too much in interior walls to be a "safe" load in a home? Yes, it does penetrate a lot. But any load that is going to be effective will need to penetrate walls to have enough power to penetrate bad guys. If our only concern was to be sure we didn't penetrate walls, we would use BB guns. However, BB guns will not stop bad guys. Therefore, we must use loads that will STOP bad guys, and this means that they will also penetrate walls. So, be sure you hit the bad guy and do not shoot into walls where loved ones are on the other side." ARs are an excellent choice for home defense, particularly if you have a silencer. 30 round capacity, too. Use the right ammo for the job, and be aware of what's beyond your target. 5.56 and .300BLK are both very good choices. If it's your first AR, get a 5.56 or you'll go broke practicing with it. 16" barrel since you can't have SBRs, then get the silencer of your choice. I prefer QD silencers for ARs and such, but thread-ons are lighter. With a 16" barrel, lightweight should be an important criteria. |
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A supressed AR would be great for home defence in theory. But you have to look at it from the media, criminal's family (my baby didn't do nuthin) and the DA's office. If you kill an intruder (deservidly so) with a "black rifle", (suppressed at that) the media and DA will make you out to look like a Charels Bronson Rambo vigilante type. I have been told that your home defence weapon should look like something that your grandfather handed down to you. do what you want though, just my .02 The DA is going to find it very difficult to paint you out to be a vigilante unless you chase someone down the street firing at them. If someone breaks into your house, it's pretty clear who belongs there and who doesn't. Safety should be your #1 priority, not "what will the DA think?" Can you cite a home invasion case where someone defended themselves with an AR-15, and was subsequently indicted because of that? Spreading myths doesn't really belong in technical discussions anyway. 
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If it were me, I would just google around for integrally suppressed AR15 uppers and buy one from a company that specializes in making them. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Leonidas from Legacy suppressors. 300 AAC Blk Leonidas |
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It is not my first AR; I've had experience with M16A2s, AR15s, and AR10s in 9mm to 338 Federal, 14.5" pinned flashider to 22" bull barrel. I have also had experience in needing my weapons for defense (fortunately did not have to discharge). Also know lever guns, bolts, pump shotguns, doubles, and handguns.
I didnt want this to be a shotgun, vs rifle, vs handgun, vs what caliber, vs what action debate. I would like a shoulderfired weapon shorter than an 18.5" barreled shotgun, and quieter than a shotgun, non suppressed rifle, and 45 caliber handgun for ease of use indoors if needed. I do not have any experience with suppressors and so I want to know about calibers, brands, and dimensions for a 16" total length AR. |
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If it were me, I would just google around for integrally suppressed AR15 uppers and buy one from a company that specializes in making them. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Leonidas from Legacy suppressors. 300 AAC Blk Leonidas What advantage does the leonidas integral have over a SBR with can? |
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Seems like most are recommending 300 BLK; what advantages does it have over 5.56 or 6.8? I would say probably the advantage of a larger diameter and heavier bullet- also subsonic rounds functioning with the suppressor. So it's more like a subgun caliber in that it is subsonic capable. I would not want to get involved with 300blk until I could get a case of ammo for $300 personally, but that's not really aligned with your "home defense" desire. Home defense can be done with 30 rounds. This is probably why people are reccommending 300BLK <your application doesn't require a lot of training ammo, or a lot of ammo stockpiled for worst case scenarios that may or may not ever occur. I like my guns to be able to do "homeland defense" and that means I want to store a case of ammo or two, I want that ammo to be cheap and readily available NATO rounds etc. So for my money I'd say best bang for the buck? Buy a 5.56mm gun, get an SBR stamp, hell buy a multi-cal can like an SDN-6. There is a particular brilliance IMO for spending a little more for that .308/5.56mm compromise can (shorter .308 can that is more optimal also for 5.56mm). |
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An AR is a poor choice for home defence. You risk having a lot of collateral damage from rounds going through walls, etc. 12 gauge shotgun is preferable. Do your research before posting bad information in a tech form. You are incorrect. Arguably an AR is the best HD gun compared to a shot gun and 9mm/45. Adding a suppressor makes them even better from an ear point of view. |
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I'd go with the .300 Blackout and an AAC .30 cal can; the 7.62SD6 is quite popular, but I'd also consider a Cyclone unless they made a titianium version of it (length vs. weight).
The Liberty Leonidas might fit your needs due to your state's SBR restrictions; but if you could swing the Blackout pistol angle (hoping your laws will change in the future) with a can would give you options in the future. The blackout will give you more energy even suppressed compared to 5.56 and be very quiet; similiar to a suppressed MP5. And you'd probably would be using 220-240 gr. bullets. iirc energy-wise the blackout suppressed is similiar to .45 ACP; iirc sub-loads are roughly 250-300 yd. loads and full power loads are @ 500 yd. loads so that gives you a lot of versatility; and it's a good deer round. eta: and since you reload, ammo is not really a big issue 5.56 would be an adequate HD round using something like Hornady TAP ammo. But even suppressed 5.56 is loud; roughly like unsuppressed .22LR eta: if you reloaded a 5.56 sub-load iirc they say that you might as well be using .22LR energy-wise eta: this might be an option for you also; get a short .300 barrel and have your handguard/rail welded/silver soldered to it, and just screw on your suppressor inside the handguard/rail http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_20/387755_AR_Handguard___SBR_Grey_Area__.html |
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I like 300 BLK. Here is my 8.5" suppressed with an AAC 7.62 SDN-6
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