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Posted: 6/23/2010 5:45:00 PM EDT
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Okay, Here's the deal. In the near future I am hoping to build an SBS 870 with a shortened stock and possibly a Surefire For-end. Could anybody who has / had one please let me know what you think and possibly post some pics as well? I like the idea of a light for target identification, and I like the simplicity of the for-end light, but I wanted to hear from people who own them before I spend the big dollars on something like that.
Thanks allot guys ETA: I'm also curious about possible weight issues and if the light was a spot light or a flood light |
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Quoted: I think they are HEAVY. A M3 or TLR1 is much lighter and can be taken off. Just food for thought. 1.17LB is way too heavy. I used to run a Surefire 618 on my 870 with a Knox Spec-ops and a six shell side saddle. The 18.5 870 with a +2 extension weighed in ~10lbs fully loaded. |
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The new 318LM or 318LMG would work perfect on an SBS. It is a one cell so would not extend past the end of a 14" barrel and still gives you 100 lums.
The surefire forend is the last light you will buy. They are highest quality and worth the money. Best customer service in the business and a life time warranty. Also, this is a dedicated forend light and there are no wires to hang up on everything you get near. If the weapon is decicated for duty or defense then this is the light to use. |
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The new 318LM or 318LMG would work perfect on an SBS. It is a one cell so would not extend past the end of a 14" barrel and still gives you 100 lums. The surefire forend is the last light you will buy. They are highest quality and worth the money. Best customer service in the business and a life time warranty. I was on their website earlier looking at those. They look like a prime candidate to be honest. No pics from anybody??? |
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I am currently rebuilding an SBS for a WY LEO. It is of couse and 870 as that is all I work on. It has a 14" barrel and I am installing a SpecOps and the Surefire 318LM on it for him. It will be this weekend before it is done and I can e-mail you pics so you can see what one looks like completed and how the light will relate to the barrel lenght. I am to stupid to figure out get them on this web site here but will also put them on my web site. My e-mail is [email protected].
there may be some guys on here that already have pics of an SBS with the 318 that could post them. Oh yea, also will have the Wilson One round extension on it. |
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The new 318LM or 318LMG would work perfect on an SBS. It is a one cell so would not extend past the end of a 14" barrel and still gives you 100 lums. The surefire forend is the last light you will buy. They are highest quality and worth the money. Best customer service in the business and a life time warranty. Also, this is a dedicated forend light and there are no wires to hang up on everything you get near. If the weapon is decicated for duty or defense then this is the light to use. True, however Surefire also still makes the M961 and M951 series light for the M4 and they will withstand a IED blast.....but they too are way too heavy for GP use. There is good gear out there that is lighter. SF is good and makes good lights like the handguard and light assy for the M4 or the combo forward grip and light and map light thing.......also way too heavy and way too much $$. There is also no reason that the Scout light needs to cost nearly $400 but that is what they charge. We had some SF LED forends on some of our 500 breaching shotguns but nobody liked them as they were too heavy, too bulky and generally not what was needed, so the armorer took all of them off. Your mileage may vary. |
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Scott, you are right about the 951. Way to heavy and the even the mounting rings for it add to much weight. then it has to mount to a pictinney rail barrel bracket. Way to much mess to get that light on a weapons. Hoever the dedicated Surefire forends are not that heavy. Guys building an HD or even a duty weapon for LE work are not humping weapons like you guys did. The weapons are made to deploy from gun safes or a rack out of cars and for very short durations.
The Surefire dedicated forend takes a shotgun to a higher level of performance when the wepaon is dedicated to a specific use. |
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Solid basic fighting shotgun there Steve. did you really remove the tube extension because of the weight? wilson makes a great one round extension that is a lot lighter then a 2 round. No. My other 870 has a WC extention. This one is a house gun and I decided when i put it togather to just stick with the factory mag capacity. |
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If i thought an 870 was too front heavy i would remove the mag extension and run a 4 round side saddle instead of a 6 round side saddle before i would remove the surefire. oh yeah, i did. http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh14/StevenH_2008/Guns/Express.jpg?t=1276732060 This is not very heavy set up this way. That's a nice setup you have there, simple and no B.S. The gun I am hoping to build is going to be primarily used for H.D., however it will be taken to the range to practice with. Im hoping that by having a 14" barrel, shorter stock, factory mag tube and the new single cell surefire forend, that the gun will have a decent weight to make it fun to shoot, but not too heavy and cumbersome. |
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Just an FYI, but technically that front sling mount should be in front of the barrel, not behind it. Having the mount behind the barrel ring changes the headspace. I would imagine it could also cause light primer strikes. Link: http://spectergear.com/500fit.htm
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Here are some pics of my older model Surefire light (actually from when they were called Laser Products). I don't think they are too heavy. http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g94/keokicg/Mossbergshotgunpics003.jpg http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g94/keokicg/Mossbergshotgunpics005.jpg http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g94/keokicg/Mossbergshotgunpics004.jpg |
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One of the questions of this post was the Surefire forend on an SBS. Here is what the Surefire 318LM looks like on an SBS with 14" barrel. This is an 870P that came in for rebuild. The Officer sent the barrel but it was scratched up so the barrel and receiver were blasted and parkerized. the freaking GR was removed (will never try that again) and was rececessed into the receiver. This left a gap so per the owners instuctions I installed a Mesa stubby rail. The barrel is modified choke with RS so I installed Meprolight rifle sights. I added the SpecOps, Mesa tactical 6 round shell holder and Mesa tactical single point attachement.
With the 14" the barrel. one shot Wilson tube and 318LM sitll give this officer a compact weapon but with a 5+1 capacity. No luck posting the picture but can attach it an e-mail if anyone thinking of using a 318 on an SBS and wants to see what it looks like.  " />
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The new 318LM or 318LMG would work perfect on an SBS. It is a one cell so would not extend past the end of a 14" barrel and still gives you 100 lums. The surefire forend is the last light you will buy. They are highest quality and worth the money. Best customer service in the business and a life time warranty. Also, this is a dedicated forend light and there are no wires to hang up on everything you get near. If the weapon is decicated for duty or defense then this is the light to use. +1! I've got an 870 w/an older Surefire 618FA on it - very solid not too heavy. Work boomsticks are Mossy 14" 590A1's w/ GRS and Surefire 621LF's - great balance and good light ( the LM foreends are not yet available for the 14" Mossy's). |
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One of the questions of this post was the Surefire forend on an SBS. Here is what the Surefire 318LM looks like on an SBS with 14" barrel. This is an 870P that came in for rebuild. The Officer sent the barrel but it was scratched up so the barrel and receiver were blasted and parkerized. the freaking GR was removed (will never try that again) and was rececessed into the receiver. This left a gap so per the owners instuctions I installed a Mesa stubby rail. The barrel is modified choke with RS so I installed Meprolight rifle sights. I added the SpecOps, Mesa tactical 6 round shell holder and Mesa tactical single point attachement. With the 14" the barrel. one shot Wilson tube and 318LM sitll give this officer a compact weapon but with a 5+1 capacity. No luck posting the picture but can attach it an e-mail if anyone thinking of using a 318 on an SBS and wants to see what it looks like. http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab39/aiptactical/000_1579.jpg" /> 
Here is what J.D. is talking about. |
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Thanks there 556A2 for posting the pic for me. Thanks also to all the guys who sent me instructions on how to post pictures. Since none of you know me, you don't understand how stupid I am when it comes to computer stuff. I took a year to learn how to receive a fax on a fax machine.
I should note that the 618LM does not stick out very far in front of that barrel and would be very practical. Twice the Lums and only adds about an inch to the over all length of that wepaon. However that 318 is perfect for that build. |
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First off, Aippi, That is one bad@$$ shoty there. That is basically exactly how I want to build mine, however I would use the Houge 12" LOP stock in place of the pistol grip colapsable one.
Now it looks like I have a plan in my head and its time to start hitting up the used racks for a decent 870. Thanks again for all the replys. I have decided that I will go the route of the single cell fore-end. Keep the pics and opinions flowing, I would still like to hear from all those who have them. |
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I love mine, wouldn't run a self defense shotgun without it.
Switches easy to locate. No wires to hang up. Great light. I don't mind the weight, if anything it helps with recoil. Not sure what the weight difference is if you figure in the factory fore-end, a light with wires/tape switches etc. I'm sure the SureFire is heavier, but not a huge difference, I wouldn't think (and if it is, it helps recoil as mentioned above...) |
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I have 2 one on a 14" with a +1 VC +1 ext and the other is on an 18" I like them, only thing I would do different if I was purchasing one now is get the LED version. Any pics by any chance? I see on another thread you said you had a sage stock on a 14" 870, Is this the same one as your 14" with surefire fore-end? If so, I would LOVE to see this. I was actually thinking about how cool that would be to have a 14" 870 with a sage stock on it. Thanks |
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