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Posted: 1/8/2015 5:52:52 PM EDT
| I just picked up my Ryder 22 before the holidays, and while handling it the other day I noticed it bottoms out before it seats on my Volquartsen Scorpion pistol. It comes very close but there is a slight gap between the muzzle and suppressor (about width of a credit card). I have an AAC Element II that threads all the way on I compared it to, but I do not have any other rimfire pistols to check it with. There is a spacer in the box, but it is to large to use on my pistol. Has anyone else had this problem, or did I possibly get something out of spec? I bought the Ryder specifically for the Scorpion because it is so light, so I'm a little disappointed. |
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I just picked up my Ryder 22 before the holidays, and while handling it the other day I noticed it bottoms out before it seats on my Volquartsen Scorpion pistol. It comes very close but there is a slight gap between the muzzle and suppressor (about width of a credit card). I have an AAC Element II that threads all the way on I compared it to, but I do not have any other rimfire pistols to check it with. There is a spacer in the box, but it is to large to use on my pistol. Has anyone else had this problem, or did I possibly get something out of spec? I bought the Ryder specifically for the Scorpion because it is so light, so I'm a little disappointed. I'd never heard of that problem until I read this post today. Sounds like a poor design. |
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Yeah, but 0.400" is the standard thread length. If you remove the o-ring, I'm sure you would be able to exceed the 0.400" length (at the cost of fouling the seating surface of the o-ring). Quoted:
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This is even worse than the .400" limitation with SiCo cans. This is not an issue based on the reply from Surefire. Statement retracted. Yeah, but 0.400" is the standard thread length. If you remove the o-ring, I'm sure you would be able to exceed the 0.400" length (at the cost of fouling the seating surface of the o-ring). Probably so, but aren't there plenty of rimfire cans that can handle .500" threads, or even longer? It doesn't bother me, and I knew about it. I've even made decisions about what firearms I buy based on the availability of a SiCo adapter...since I have six SiCo rimfire cans and none of any other brand. 
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Yeah, but 0.400" is the standard thread length. If you remove the o-ring, I'm sure you would be able to exceed the 0.400" length (at the cost of fouling the seating surface of the o-ring). Quoted:
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This is even worse than the .400" limitation with SiCo cans. Yeah, but 0.400" is the standard thread length. If you remove the o-ring, I'm sure you would be able to exceed the 0.400" length (at the cost of fouling the seating surface of the o-ring). Standard for some companies, maybe. Others have used 0.425, 0.438 (aiaiRC), or 0.625 to be compatible with AR threads. If I was making a new commercial rim fire can I would use .450 to be safe. Surefire doing 0.380 is full retard. |
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Quoted: Standard for some companies, maybe. Others have used 0.425, 0.438 (aiaiRC), or 0.625 to be compatible with AR threads. If I was making a new commercial rim fire can I would use .450 to be safe. Surefire doing 0.380 is full retard. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is even worse than the .400" limitation with SiCo cans. Yeah, but 0.400" is the standard thread length. If you remove the o-ring, I'm sure you would be able to exceed the 0.400" length (at the cost of fouling the seating surface of the o-ring). Standard for some companies, maybe. Others have used 0.425, 0.438 (aiaiRC), or 0.625 to be compatible with AR threads. If I was making a new commercial rim fire can I would use .450 to be safe. Surefire doing 0.380 is full retard. I suppose it would be nice if everybody standardized - long threads on the mount and short threads on the barrel leads to carbon/lead fouling on the exposed threads. I agree that anything shorter than 0.400 is full of  . |
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Quoted: The Ryder 22 is a muzzle interface suppressor and is threaded for common pistol thread lengths. The spacer is a cosmetics item when put on a rifle that has longer threads than most pistols do. Most of my hosts typically have carbon deposits on the muzzle, which may not offer a square surface for the can to seat against. |
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Can you please share a link, if you don't mind? I was contemplating getting the Ryder-22 ... maybe it's not for me. Quoted:
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Several companies sell spacers specifically for this. Can you please share a link, if you don't mind? I was contemplating getting the Ryder-22 ... maybe it's not for me. They sell spacers that are .2-.25" thick so you can use a rimfire can on a standard AR length threaded barrel. All kinds of options out there...but I wouldn't consider one of them for this particular issue. (I'm assuming that's the spacer he's talking about) What would be needed here is a shim. Although, according to Garin, it's meant to index on the muzzle not the shoulder, so there's actually no problem. |
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They sell spacers that are .2-.25" thick so you can use a rimfire can on a standard AR length threaded barrel. All kinds of options out there...but I wouldn't consider one of them for this particular issue. (I'm assuming that's the spacer he's talking about) What would be needed here is a shim. Although, according to Garin, it's meant to index on the muzzle not the shoulder, so there's actually no problem. Quoted:
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Several companies sell spacers specifically for this. Can you please share a link, if you don't mind? I was contemplating getting the Ryder-22 ... maybe it's not for me. They sell spacers that are .2-.25" thick so you can use a rimfire can on a standard AR length threaded barrel. All kinds of options out there...but I wouldn't consider one of them for this particular issue. (I'm assuming that's the spacer he's talking about) What would be needed here is a shim. Although, according to Garin, it's meant to index on the muzzle not the shoulder, so there's actually no problem. http://www.store.silencerco.com/collections/rimfire/products/1-2x28-rifle-thread-spacer |
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http://www.store.silencerco.com/collections/rimfire/products/1-2x28-rifle-thread-spacer That's what I was assuming you were talking about...which is not applicable to the topic being discussed here. There's a spacer similar to that included with the Ryder that allows you to use it on rifles with longer threads, for aesthetic reasons only. It still indexes on the muzzle. |
| So let me get this straight. Surefire makes the can a muzzle interface which eliminates the worry about all the different thread lengths that 22's come with, .4 to .6. I fail to see this being a problem. In fact it's brilliant. Wipe the carbon off the muzzle and it fits them all! I want one more now. |
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So let me get this straight. Surefire makes the can a muzzle interface which eliminates the worry about all the different thread lengths that 22's come with, .4 to .6. I fail to see this being a problem. In fact it's brilliant. Wipe the carbon off the muzzle and it fits them all! I want one more now. All true but the haters gotta hate..... |
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