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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Trigger Tamer (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/23/2010 3:17:32 PM EDT
I built myself a trigger tamer based on some pictures I saw on the internet, I haven't live fired it yet but dry firing is night and day better. I has some creep still, and it isn't exactly crisp, but it is much more usable now. If the commercial product works as well as the one I made, it would be worth the money. It does make removing the buttplate more difficult as the spring is very hard to compress with the leg raised higher.
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| Nice job. I used the trigger mod instructions that MSARDave gave me and ended up with a nice short reliable trigger pull. I got greedy and tried the trigger tamer and it gave me 2-5 rd bursts. I like the weight of pull the TT gives me but like the shorter/smoother pull of MSARDave's mod. Wish I could get a TT that only cut about 1.5-2 lbs off the factory weight to go with the shorter/smoother pull. |
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Nice job. I used the trigger mod instructions that MSARDave gave me and ended up with a nice short reliable trigger pull. I got greedy and tried the trigger tamer and it gave me 2-5 rd bursts. I like the weight of pull the TT gives me but like the shorter/smoother pull of MSARDave's mod. Wish I could get a TT that only cut about 1.5-2 lbs off the factory weight to go with the shorter/smoother pull. Do tell! 
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Nice job. I used the trigger mod instructions that MSARDave gave me and ended up with a nice short reliable trigger pull. I got greedy and tried the trigger tamer and it gave me 2-5 rd bursts. I like the weight of pull the TT gives me but like the shorter/smoother pull of MSARDave's mod. Wish I could get a TT that only cut about 1.5-2 lbs off the factory weight to go with the shorter/smoother pull. Do tell! +1 |
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I must be in the minority, or maybe I just got lucky. It really don't find the trigger on my A3 to be all that bad. Sure its not sniper grade trigger, but its perfectly serviceable IMO... Same here - 'cept with an E4. Not match quality, but not the horror story that I'd been bracing myself for; I'm satisfied with it. That said, were MSAR to offer a 'match' trigger pack, I'd probably drop coinage for it. Ed |
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Nice job. I used the trigger mod instructions that MSARDave gave me and ended up with a nice short reliable trigger pull. I got greedy and tried the trigger tamer and it gave me 2-5 rd bursts. I like the weight of pull the TT gives me but like the shorter/smoother pull of MSARDave's mod. Wish I could get a TT that only cut about 1.5-2 lbs off the factory weight to go with the shorter/smoother pull. Do tell! +2 |
| If MSARDave wants that info public I will let him share, sorry guys. Basically it is a simple mod that he walked me through in a breif phone call. The factory trigger is not bad as far as mil spec triggers go, but I am used to 1-2.5 lb triggers in my LR bolt guns and 2.5-3 lb in my spr AR. |
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Wish I could get a TT that only cut about 1.5-2 lbs off the factory weight to go with the shorter/smoother pull. you can get your trigger easily to 4.5 lbs and less than 3mm of total pull. i had a post about how to do it but i cant find it...if you IM me i will tell you how i did it...it is in no way hard just some polishing of any high points (i.e. molding marks and time stamps) and the use a trigger lite or trigger tamer. IM me if you want more info or i can repost some instructions if you all want. |
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I must be in the minority, or maybe I just got lucky. It really don't find the trigger on my A3 to be all that bad. Sure its not sniper grade trigger, but its perfectly serviceable IMO... Yeah I'm not disappointed with my trigger either. Maybe I got lucky or those that are bitchin about it are picky and hard to please 
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| Carried the Steyer AUG as a duty weapon for about 6 years. You can adjust to anything in trigger pull as long as you know what to expect. We (The agency) trained at minimum every 3 months but I was a range master so it was almost daily. The 3 round burst in full pull took some getting used too though. All in all it is exactly what it is supposed to be. Short barreled entry weapon with sufficient stopping power on first round hits. |
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That's an interesting test piece. I have to tell you that it infringes our patent, so you probably don't want to advertise this much.
I see you have come up against one of the challenges we did during our product development. Operating the lock when the spring leg is elevated becomes nearly impossible. Those who own Trigger Tamer units may be able to see how we solved the problem. I seriously wonder if using your version might just permanently lock the gun closed, or have you been able to force it enough to get it unlocked? Anyway, we love innovation (especially in firearms), but do enforce our patent rights (the inventor and owner of the company is a prominent patent attorney specializing tin the firearms industry), so you'll want to wait until our patent expires in 2024 to produce your own versions. I'll even make you a deal to help get that infringing device off your hands: I'll trade it for the real thing. Email me at [email protected] and we'll arrange the details. (Note to others, this is one time only - don't waste time making your own to save $60 and expecting to trade it in to us for the real thing - I know that $60 to drastically improve the worst feature of a great $2000 rifle is a great value anyway - that's what our customers keep telling us.) |
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That's an interesting test piece. I have to tell you that it infringes our patent, so you probably don't want to advertise this much. I see you have come up against one of the challenges we did during our product development. Operating the lock when the spring leg is elevated becomes nearly impossible. Those who own Trigger Tamer units may be able to see how we solved the problem. I seriously wonder if using your version might just permanently lock the gun closed, or have you been able to force it enough to get it unlocked? Anyway, we love innovation (especially in firearms), but do enforce our patent rights (the inventor and owner of the company is a prominent patent attorney specializing tin the firearms industry), so you'll want to wait until our patent expires in 2024 to produce your own versions. I'll even make you a deal to help get that infringing device off your hands: I'll trade it for the real thing. Email me at [email protected] and we'll arrange the details. (Note to others, this is one time only - don't waste time making your own to save $60 and expecting to trade it in to us for the real thing - I know that $60 to drastically improve the worst feature of a great $2000 rifle is a great value anyway - that's what our customers keep telling us.) Hounding hobbyists now? Classy... |
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That's an interesting test piece. I have to tell you that it infringes our patent, so you probably don't want to advertise this much. I see you have come up against one of the challenges we did during our product development. Operating the lock when the spring leg is elevated becomes nearly impossible. Those who own Trigger Tamer units may be able to see how we solved the problem. I seriously wonder if using your version might just permanently lock the gun closed, or have you been able to force it enough to get it unlocked? Anyway, we love innovation (especially in firearms), but do enforce our patent rights (the inventor and owner of the company is a prominent patent attorney specializing tin the firearms industry), so you'll want to wait until our patent expires in 2024 to produce your own versions. I'll even make you a deal to help get that infringing device off your hands: I'll trade it for the real thing. Email me at [email protected] and we'll arrange the details. (Note to others, this is one time only - don't waste time making your own to save $60 and expecting to trade it in to us for the real thing - I know that $60 to drastically improve the worst feature of a great $2000 rifle is a great value anyway - that's what our customers keep telling us.) I like this guy less every time i read a post by him. Patent Nazi! No one's trying to sell anything here, and still, here you are, making your petty little threats... |
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We have hand over 100 rifles returned here, owners complaining of triggers failing to reset. We know that there is a trigger tamer installed before we even pull off the butt stock. We have been pretty easy going with these guys, and fixed every rifle with a trigger tamer.
Installation of a trigger tamer voids the warranty of your MSAR rifle. It will cause your rifle to not function correctly. I have literally seen dozens of rifles that did not work only because of the trigger tamer. In my own personal humble opinion, they are junk. I have figured out how to do a sweet trigger on AUG pattern rifles, and they all reset just fine. Best part of it is, when I am in the right mood and have a little time, I give that info away. It really sucks that when somebody tries to improve upon a product that could use some improving somebody comes along hollering about a lawyer. 
Dave Robertson edit to add talking about your $60 part and your email address, you need to pony up and become an advertising industry partner |
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Quoted: Hell yeah....We have hand over 100 rifles returned here, owners complaining of triggers failing to reset. We know that there is a trigger tamer installed before we even pull off the butt stock. We have been pretty easy going with these guys, and fixed every rifle with a trigger tamer. Installation of a trigger tamer voids the warranty of your MSAR rifle. It will cause your rifle to not function correctly. I have literally seen dozens of rifles that did not work only because of the trigger tamer. In my own personal humble opinion, they are junk. I have figured out how to do a sweet trigger on AUG pattern rifles, and they all reset just fine. Best part of it is, when I am in the right mood and have a little time, I give that info away. It really sucks that when somebody tries to improve upon a product that could use some improving somebody comes along hollering about a lawyer. Dave Robertson edit to add talking about your $60 part and your email address, you need to pony up and become an advertising industry partner |
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We have hand over 100 rifles returned here, owners complaining of triggers failing to reset. We know that there is a trigger tamer installed before we even pull off the butt stock. We have been pretty easy going with these guys, and fixed every rifle with a trigger tamer. Installation of a trigger tamer voids the warranty of your MSAR rifle. It will cause your rifle to not function correctly. I have literally seen dozens of rifles that did not work only because of the trigger tamer. In my own personal humble opinion, they are junk. I have figured out how to do a sweet trigger on AUG pattern rifles, and they all reset just fine. Best part of it is, when I am in the right mood and have a little time, I give that info away. It really sucks that when somebody tries to improve upon a product that could use some improving somebody comes along hollering about a lawyer.
Dave Robertson edit to add talking about your $60 part and your email address, you need to pony up and become an advertising industry partner I like this guy more, ever time i read something by him ;) You heard it guys... Trigger Tamer voids your warranty. Don't waste your money, and risk ruining your weapon by installing a sub-par product that is supported by people who harrass folks consistently about "patent infringement" |
Good grief. I appreciate the offer, but I'm quite happy with the one I have. I'm not selling them, as is evident by not being an industry partner, and I can release the buttplate just fine. Next thing I know JBT's will be knocking down my door for making myself a copy of a Fulton Armory adj gas tube in my CMP gun 
The trigger does fail to reset 100% of the time when not in one of the lower notches while actually shooting it though. I'm waiting on the match trigger pack. Love the rifle, but the Geissele in my AR is hell's better. I'm in the camp that thinks trigger sears need to be made from metal, and I do understand that it has worked for 30yrs. Here is a picture of a flashlight mount I am also not going to sell: 
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I was actually considering the Trigger Tamer UNTIL their responses.......
One of the reasons I purchased a E4 and from Ratworx was great customer service and attitude. Trigger Tamers attitude is horrible and their posts just pissed me off (especially the post from drcoffee) There is no way in hell I'll spend my money on a TT now! |
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I was actually considering the Trigger Tamer UNTIL their responses....... One of the reasons I purchased a E4 and from Ratworx was great customer service and attitude. Trigger Tamers attitude is horrible and their posts just pissed me off (especially the post from drcoffee) There is no way in hell I'll spend my money on a TT now! Shame it ended up this way, I started by plugging their product: Quoted:
If the commercial product works as well as the one I made, it would be worth the money. |
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That's an interesting test piece. I have to tell you that it infringes our patent, so you probably don't want to advertise this much. I see you have come up against one of the challenges we did during our product development. Operating the lock when the spring leg is elevated becomes nearly impossible. Those who own Trigger Tamer units may be able to see how we solved the problem. I seriously wonder if using your version might just permanently lock the gun closed, or have you been able to force it enough to get it unlocked? Anyway, we love innovation (especially in firearms), but do enforce our patent rights (the inventor and owner of the company is a prominent patent attorney specializing tin the firearms industry), so you'll want to wait until our patent expires in 2024 to produce your own versions. I'll even make you a deal to help get that infringing device off your hands: I'll trade it for the real thing. Email me at [email protected] and we'll arrange the details. (Note to others, this is one time only - don't waste time making your own to save $60 and expecting to trade it in to us for the real thing - I know that $60 to drastically improve the worst feature of a great $2000 rifle is a great value anyway - that's what our customers keep telling us.) He can make as many as he wants for his own use and there is nothing you can do about it!
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That's an interesting test piece. I have to tell you that it infringes our patent, so you probably don't want to advertise this much. [snip] Anyway, we love innovation (especially in firearms), but do enforce our patent rights (the inventor and owner of the company is a prominent patent attorney specializing tin the firearms industry), so you'll want to wait until our patent expires in 2024 to produce your own versions. I'll even make you a deal to help get that infringing device off your hands: I'll trade it for the real thing. Email me at [email protected] and we'll arrange the details. (Note to others, this is one time only - don't waste time making your own to save $60 and expecting to trade it in to us for the real thing - I know that $60 to drastically improve the worst feature of a great $2000 rifle is a great value anyway - that's what our customers keep telling us.) This is not cool and here's why: 1. The OP stated in his first sentence, "I built myself..." Nowhere in his post did he offer it for sale. His post was hardly an ad. 2. You state that you love innovation, but you come in here crapping on this guy's post with threats? 3. You offer to trade your product for his tinkering, which appears noble on the surface, but I'd wager that it would get sent to your attorney the moment it arrives. 4. You end your post with an advertisement for your product, which is a violation of the site rules. If you feel this chap is infringing on your patent, then go about this the right way by forwarding the information to your attorney for review and let him send out the C&D notice. Otherwise, keep your threats and advertisements out of our technical forum. |
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Good grief. I appreciate the offer, but I'm quite happy with the one I have. I'm not selling them, as is evident by not being an industry partner, and I can release the buttplate just fine. Next thing I know JBT's will be knocking down my door for making myself a copy of a Fulton Armory adj gas tube in my CMP gun
The trigger does fail to reset 100% of the time when not in one of the lower notches while actually shooting it though. I'm waiting on the match trigger pack. Love the rifle, but the Geissele in my AR is hell's better. I'm in the camp that thinks trigger sears need to be made from metal, and I do understand that it has worked for 30yrs. Here is a picture of a flashlight mount I am also not going to sell: http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q319/WBDIV/IMG_2739Small.jpg Somebody needs to make these! (2020) With a rail on the top and bottom, then we can add lights and lasers and keep the cool folding grip. 
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i LOVE to see this group rally around a common idea.
Having a great product is good and all, but if you're using a DOUCHEBAG to market that product, you may find that your market share disappears in an instant. TriggerTamer is a decent idea, and i'd considered getting one for my MSAR, but after this bullshit, I will NEVER spend a penny on their product. MsarDave is a perfect example of how vital the right representative can be to a company. I for one bought my MSAR because of the amazing way that he has treated people on this forum. I have seen him cheering people on as they created products that fall in DIRECT competition with his, such as the 2020 rail, and other accessories. He appreciates INNOVATION, and i can appreciate that. Thank you again Dave for giving me something to contrast this guy against. BOYCOTT TRIGGER TAMER... give me a +1 if you're in! |
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+1 I thought competition was the backbone of capitalism! Oh wait...we're under 'change' now  Folks have every right to protect their patent, but there's a right way and a wrong way to do it. Coming on to ARF.com and trashing someone's post is the wrong way. |
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+1 I thought competition was the backbone of capitalism! Oh wait...we're under 'change' now Folks have every right to protect their patent, but there's a right way and a wrong way to do it. Coming on to ARF.com and trashing someone's post is the wrong way. True. It would have been cheaper to just let a guy sell a few widgets, instead of losing sales by acting like a douche-waffle on a gun board. We can be some grudge holding SOB's. |
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Just got my E4 in from Chris at Ratworx...you guys ROCK!!! I would be very interested in hearing from Dave or Ratworx about any trigger "fix" or improvement if there are any tricks out there??? Thanks!!! Here you go 
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=43&t=312719 |
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That's an interesting test piece. I have to tell you that it infringes our patent, so you probably don't want to advertise this much. I see you have come up against one of the challenges we did during our product development. Operating the lock when the spring leg is elevated becomes nearly impossible. Those who own Trigger Tamer units may be able to see how we solved the problem. I seriously wonder if using your version might just permanently lock the gun closed, or have you been able to force it enough to get it unlocked? Anyway, we love innovation (especially in firearms), but do enforce our patent rights (the inventor and owner of the company is a prominent patent attorney specializing tin the firearms industry), so you'll want to wait until our patent expires in 2024 to produce your own versions. I'll even make you a deal to help get that infringing device off your hands: I'll trade it for the real thing. Email me at [email protected] and we'll arrange the details. (Note to others, this is one time only - don't waste time making your own to save $60 and expecting to trade it in to us for the real thing - I know that $60 to drastically improve the worst feature of a great $2000 rifle is a great value anyway - that's what our customers keep telling us.) Damm , thats a very cool offer and a very respectable way to enforce your patent. I would just suggest buying a tamer. I got one for my pre-ban Aug and love it !! |
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That's an interesting test piece. I have to tell you that it infringes our patent, so you probably don't want to advertise this much. I see you have come up against one of the challenges we did during our product development. Operating the lock when the spring leg is elevated becomes nearly impossible. Those who own Trigger Tamer units may be able to see how we solved the problem. I seriously wonder if using your version might just permanently lock the gun closed, or have you been able to force it enough to get it unlocked? Anyway, we love innovation (especially in firearms), but do enforce our patent rights (the inventor and owner of the company is a prominent patent attorney specializing tin the firearms industry), so you'll want to wait until our patent expires in 2024 to produce your own versions. I'll even make you a deal to help get that infringing device off your hands: I'll trade it for the real thing. Email me at [email protected] and we'll arrange the details. (Note to others, this is one time only - don't waste time making your own to save $60 and expecting to trade it in to us for the real thing - I know that $60 to drastically improve the worst feature of a great $2000 rifle is a great value anyway - that's what our customers keep telling us.) Damm , thats a very cool offer and a very respectable way to enforce your patent. I would just suggest buying a tamer. I got one for my pre-ban Aug and love it !! Really? |
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Damm , thats a very cool offer and a very respectable way to enforce your patent. Respectable isn't how I would describe his behavior in a related thread that escalated to the point where it finally had to be deleted. Threatening people with a weak, questionably enforceable patent of an obvious modification does not fall under my usual definition of "very cool". |
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That's an interesting test piece. I have to tell you that it infringes our patent, so you probably don't want to advertise this much. I see you have come up against one of the challenges we did during our product development. Operating the lock when the spring leg is elevated becomes nearly impossible. Those who own Trigger Tamer units may be able to see how we solved the problem. I seriously wonder if using your version might just permanently lock the gun closed, or have you been able to force it enough to get it unlocked? Anyway, we love innovation (especially in firearms), but do enforce our patent rights (the inventor and owner of the company is a prominent patent attorney specializing tin the firearms industry), so you'll want to wait until our patent expires in 2024 to produce your own versions. I'll even make you a deal to help get that infringing device off your hands: I'll trade it for the real thing. Email me at [email protected] and we'll arrange the details. (Note to others, this is one time only - don't waste time making your own to save $60 and expecting to trade it in to us for the real thing - I know that $60 to drastically improve the worst feature of a great $2000 rifle is a great value anyway - that's what our customers keep telling us.) Damm , thats a very cool offer and a very respectable way to enforce your patent. I would just suggest buying a tamer. I got one for my pre-ban Aug and love it !! You don't think the OP's device would be examined for infringement, then used against him in court?
Like I said before, folks have a right to defend their patents, but coming on a technical forum with a veiled threat like that isn't the way to do it. Especially because the guy isn't advertising them for sale. Not to mention the fact that the TT post is a quasi-advertisement having the contact info and price in it. Bad juju. |
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Damm , thats a very cool offer and a very respectable way to enforce your patent. Respectable isn't how I would describe his behavior in a related thread that escalated to the point where it finally had to be deleted. Threatening people with a weak, questionably enforceable patent of an obvious modification does not fall under my usual definition of "very cool". Respectable by simply giving the OP a heads up on thier patent which he might not be aware of. "Very Cool" by not acting like many patent holders and jumping straight into legal action. So you think if you posted a possible patent infringment on a Microsoft product on this board they would take the time to respond back on this board? Hell no , they would turn it straight over to thier legal dept and it would get very costly for you from there. |
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Damm , thats a very cool offer and a very respectable way to enforce your patent. Respectable isn't how I would describe his behavior in a related thread that escalated to the point where it finally had to be deleted. Threatening people with a weak, questionably enforceable patent of an obvious modification does not fall under my usual definition of "very cool". Respectable by simply giving the OP a heads up on thier patent which he might not be aware of. "Very Cool" by not acting like many patent holders and jumping straight into legal action. So you think if you posted a possible patent infringment on a Microsoft product on this board they would take the time to respond back on this board? Hell no , they would turn it straight over to thier legal dept and it would get very costly for you from there. I for one am permanently boycotting Trigger Tamer. The guy has proven himself to be lacking in respect, and his behavior in this TECHNICAL FORUM towards respectable long time members is reprehensible. His company will get no business from me until they issue a PUBLIC apology for his behavior. I respect their right to protect their patent (lame though it is), but to attack a man who fabricated a part FOR HIS OWN USE and with no intention of selling it is quite simply disgusting. If this were the first time, i would be SLIGHTLY more forgiving, but it is not. There is a demonstrable history of disrespect, and I for one will not tollerate it. |
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