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1/10/2011 6:31:40 AM EDT
I'm a bit confused about trust names.  I understand that the full trust name must be spelled out in the engraving.  Does the ATF have any particular requirements for the name itself.



Could the name of the trust be ABC RLT?  Or would it have to have the word 'Trust' or even 'Revocable Trust' in it?
1/10/2011 6:55:59 AM EDT
[#1]
My Trust is tytled # ###### Trust

# ##### Trust, thats what got engraved.

My Trust states that it is revocable in the Trust information.

1/10/2011 9:57:02 AM EDT
[#2]
It depends on what your trust is named.  
Mine says "This revocable living trust shall be known as the J and S Woodenword Trust", so that's all I have to engrave along with City and State.
I'm not sure if you can put RLT for revocable living trust.
1/10/2011 10:58:10 AM EDT
[#3]
Common recognised abreviations only, IE: State.

RLT is not allowed, unless that is your trust name.



1/10/2011 1:02:27 PM EDT
[#4]


So spelling out 'ABC Revocable Trust' would be the best way to go?
1/10/2011 2:50:15 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
My Trust is tytled # ###### Trust

# ##### Trust, thats what got engraved.

My Trust states that it is revocable in the Trust information.



So if my declaration says:
"This revocable living trust shall be known as the Jerz_Subbie NFA Trust"

I only have to have engraved "Jerz_Subbie NFA Trust City, State"?
1/10/2011 3:44:30 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:

So spelling out 'ABC Revocable Trust' would be the best way to go?
Only if the trust is named ABC Revocable Trust, if it is Allen Ben Cohen Revocable Trust you would have to spell that out.

Kharn
1/10/2011 8:10:53 PM EDT
[#7]
The best name in my opinion is your last name and trust, such as "Smith Trust."   No need to name it revocable living trust or any of that crap.  It can still be a revocable living trust without all those extra works in the name.
1/11/2011 6:40:46 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
The best name in my opinion is your last name and trust, such as "Smith Trust."   No need to name it revocable living trust or any of that crap.  It can still be a revocable living trust without all those extra works in the name.

+1.

Just make sure your trust documentation lists it as the Smith Trust. ATF wants the docs to match both the forms and the engraving.
1/11/2011 11:08:10 AM EDT
[#9]
Thanks all.  I chose a simple name Axxxxx Trust.  It's the name of the trust, and appears on all the docs, and also on the checking account I set up today to use for all trust purchases.  I will have the items engraved with Axxxxx Trust.



Should be GTG.
1/11/2011 12:16:38 PM EDT
[#10]
When I spoke to the ATF about this, they said any "clearly identifiying mark" would meet the requirement of the law.  

But seriously, The only way this is going to be issue is if the ATF is out to get you on other matters.

1/11/2011 7:54:53 PM EDT
[#11]
No need to go to the trouble of getting a checking account.  No one really cares if you or the trust pays for stuff.  If you are really worried about who the payments come from just get money orders and make them from the trust every time you need one.  They are less than a dollar at the post office.
1/12/2011 6:09:59 AM EDT
[#12]



Quoted:


No need to go to the trouble of getting a checking account.  No one really cares if you or the trust pays for stuff.  If you are really worried about who the payments come from just get money orders and make them from the trust every time you need one.  They are less than a dollar at the post office.


This is on the advice of my attorney.  No offense, but I'll favor his thoughts over yours.  (After all, I did pay him for this advice, and he specializes in trusts.)



He did say that Money Orders are fine, but for the best audit trail should bad things happen, a trust account is the best idea.  It's easy, and it's free.



 
1/12/2011 6:18:57 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:

Quoted:
No need to go to the trouble of getting a checking account.  No one really cares if you or the trust pays for stuff.  If you are really worried about who the payments come from just get money orders and make them from the trust every time you need one.  They are less than a dollar at the post office.

This is on the advice of my attorney.  No offense, but I'll favor his thoughts over yours.  (After all, I did pay him for this advice, and he specializes in trusts.)

He did say that Money Orders are fine, but for the best audit trail should bad things happen, a trust account is the best idea.  It's easy, and it's free.
 


FYI...I am an NFA lawyer in Dallas. : )
But it doesn't hurt anything to do it your way.
1/13/2011 1:33:01 AM EDT
[#14]



Quoted:



Quoted:




Quoted:

No need to go to the trouble of getting a checking account.  No one really cares if you or the trust pays for stuff.  If you are really worried about who the payments come from just get money orders and make them from the trust every time you need one.  They are less than a dollar at the post office.


This is on the advice of my attorney.  No offense, but I'll favor his thoughts over yours.  (After all, I did pay him for this advice, and he specializes in trusts.)



He did say that Money Orders are fine, but for the best audit trail should bad things happen, a trust account is the best idea.  It's easy, and it's free.

 




FYI...I am an NFA lawyer in Dallas. : )

But it doesn't hurt anything to do it your way.


Somehow I just KNEW you were going to say that....
 
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