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Posted: 6/28/2013 8:41:47 AM EDT
| My friend has a trust and will let me use a copy of it, He said all I need to do is to change it to my information and have it notarized. Is it that simple to get my own trust? |
| If I may, contact Bigcbass and have him, a VERY credible licensed attorney creae a trust around you and your needs. Don't work around someone else's needs. Chris is the man! Ya $300 sounds like a lot, but going in 4 stamps now that cost is diminishing. Do it once, do it right, go Bigcbass! |
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If I may, contact Bigcbass and have him, a VERY credible licensed attorney creae a trust around you and your needs. Don't work around someone else's needs. Chris is the man! Ya $300 sounds like a lot, but going in 4 stamps now that cost is diminishing. Do it once, do it right, go Bigcbass! My needs and his are the same? Whats the disadvantage of using his shell? |
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If I may, contact Bigcbass and have him, a VERY credible licensed attorney creae a trust around you and your needs. Don't work around someone else's needs. Chris is the man! Ya $300 sounds like a lot, but going in 4 stamps now that cost is diminishing. Do it once, do it right, go Bigcbass! My needs and his are the same? Whats the disadvantage of using his shell? Do you have any idea what it does? That's the problem with going that route, usually the end user has no idea what they're looking at and assumes it's kosher. Even if it passes NFA muster, it may not hold up when you pass, though obviously in some instances that's not really the concern. |
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If I may, contact Bigcbass and have him, a VERY credible licensed attorney creae a trust around you and your needs. Don't work around someone else's needs. Chris is the man! Ya $300 sounds like a lot, but going in 4 stamps now that cost is diminishing. Do it once, do it right, go Bigcbass! My needs and his are the same? Whats the disadvantage of using his shell? Do you have any idea what it does? That's the problem with going that route, usually the end user has no idea what they're looking at and assumes it's kosher. Even if it passes NFA muster, it may not hold up when you pass, though obviously in some instances that's not really the concern. He works for a Class 3 dealer, they sell machine guns, suppressors, SBRs. the Trust is done up by the "NFA" lawyer for their customers. They (lawyer) charge 300 for the trust. If I use the same one and change the name, what would be the issues with that? |
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If I may, contact Bigcbass and have him, a VERY credible licensed attorney creae a trust around you and your needs. Don't work around someone else's needs. Chris is the man! Ya $300 sounds like a lot, but going in 4 stamps now that cost is diminishing. Do it once, do it right, go Bigcbass! My needs and his are the same? Whats the disadvantage of using his shell? Do you have any idea what it does? That's the problem with going that route, usually the end user has no idea what they're looking at and assumes it's kosher. Even if it passes NFA muster, it may not hold up when you pass, though obviously in some instances that's not really the concern. He works for a Class 3 dealer, they sell machine guns, suppressors, SBRs. the Trust is done up by the "NFA" lawyer for their customers. They (lawyer) charge 300 for the trust. If I use the same one and change the name, what would be the issues with that? The obvious would be it's not legal just to copy a lawyer's work without his/her ok. Doubtful you'd ever be caught though. |
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Lots of people do this, whether or not it is a good idea is debatable. You know you can get CLEO signoff right? I called my Sheriff and he said he would sign off on mine too. However I chose a trust. Having a trust allows me to put my father, brother, and future wife as members of the trust, so if one of them wants to use these firearms, they can outside of my control. Also, a trust gives you one thing that you can never get without it...peace of mind that if anything happens to me; the firearms can be picked up and used by my designated heirs immediately without any paperwork required by them (everyone on my trust is over 18y old). Also, the trust has guidelines for what happens if an heir of mine becomes unqualified to own a firearm (i.e., god forbid if they become a felon). There were so many benefits to the trust I went with it. Even if they require background checks, and fingerprints for everyone on the trust, I still would have went this way. The above outlined benefits outweigh any negatives associated with the hassle of the background checks. |
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Pretty sure all lawyers who do trusts have a template they work off of. They just change minor stuff to suit your needs.
Can you use his trust as a template... sure. Is it legal? Probably not since it's copy righted by that attorney. What you are really paying for is the right to use said attorney's copy righted work and his services should you ever need his legal advise. |
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If I may, contact Bigcbass and have him, a VERY credible licensed attorney creae a trust around you and your needs. Don't work around someone else's needs. Chris is the man! Ya $300 sounds like a lot, but going in 4 stamps now that cost is diminishing. Do it once, do it right, go Bigcbass! My needs and his are the same? Whats the disadvantage of using his shell? Do you have any idea what it does? That's the problem with going that route, usually the end user has no idea what they're looking at and assumes it's kosher. Even if it passes NFA muster, it may not hold up when you pass, though obviously in some instances that's not really the concern. He works for a Class 3 dealer, they sell machine guns, suppressors, SBRs. the Trust is done up by the "NFA" lawyer for their customers. They (lawyer) charge 300 for the trust. If I use the same one and change the name, what would be the issues with that? If your talking about a gun shop off fondron in Houston, beware .......... |
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My friend has a trust and will let me use a copy of it, He said all I need to do is to change it to my information and have it notarized. Is it that simple to get my own trust? That's all 90% of the attorneys do when you pay them $300-$600. Lawyers do one more (very important) thing. They assume liability if shit hits the fan. If you copy it yourself, you are looking at assuming all liability for illegally owning NFA firearms. |
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Pretty sure all lawyers who do trusts have a template they work off of. They just change minor stuff to suit your needs. Can you use his trust as a template... sure. Is it legal? Probably not since it's copy righted by that attorney. What you are really paying for is the right to use said attorney's copy righted work and his services should you ever need his legal advise. This |
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Pretty sure all lawyers who do trusts have a template they work off of. They just change minor stuff to suit your needs. Can you use his trust as a template... sure. Is it legal? Probably not since it's copy righted by that attorney. What you are really paying for is the right to use said attorney's copy righted work and his services should you ever need his legal advise. This A template is what you get from Quicken, and even posted here on AR somewhere. A cover all your bases trust is done by a competent licensed attorney that is tailored around your needs. Regardless, I'm not going to change anyone's mind. Going on 4 stamps now, and $300 for an established attorney, Thank you bigcbass, was well worth the piece of mind, knowing my NFA affairs are tailored to my needs and will be good to go to my beneficiary when I pass. And btw, I went trust route because it best served my needs, My CLEO will sign. |
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A template is what you get from Quicken, and even posted here on AR somewhere. A cover all your bases trust is done by a competent licensed attorney that is tailored around your needs. Regardless, I'm not going to change anyone's mind. Going on 4 stamps now, and $300 for an established attorney, Thank you bigcbass, was well worth the piece of mind, knowing my NFA affairs are tailored to my needs and will be good to go to my beneficiary when I pass. And btw, I went trust route because it best served my needs, My CLEO will sign. Wish I would have known about cbass before I got my trust - I paid twice that. I was just willing to bet that a lawyer would develop their own template and modify based on the individual customer, not necessarily buy the quicken version edit it...that would be pretty fucked up. |
| I got my trust template from my first C3 dealer who got it from a lawyer client of his who gave it to him with permission to pass it around. Just change the name and good to go. It worked just fine for first NFA transfer of 2 silencers and 1 SBR. Next time around for 1 SBR and 1 Silencer and a different examiner, she found an error the first one missed. Same exact trust. Minus my ex-wife the second time as she was a whore and got a felony DUI. Easy peasy to remove her. I made the quick change and faxed the corrected form back to second examiner and was approved that day and stamps in hand later that week. |
| It's a REVOCABLE living trust. That not only means that you can revoke it, it means that you can amend and completely restate the trust (consider it a do-over) at a later date while the trust remains the same legal entity. There is NO problem making a cheap trust now, and if you're worried about a tightening in enforcement down the road, having a lawyer amend and restate the damn thing. |
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