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Posted: 12/5/2011 10:18:21 PM EDT
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I have a customer ("Jeff") that is a gun guy. (I sell electrical) "Jeff" and his son used to have a gun selling business, but they closed it down when Jeff retired. The other day Jeff came in to say hello and shoot the breeze. The subject of suppressors came up and he told me that he had a few suppressors left over from when they closed the gun business. Then he asked me what Uzi's were going for....
I asked him what he had and he told me he couldn't remember but would bring them in to show me. A few weeks went by and he returned last week to tell me that they were "full sized 9mm SMG Uzi's"... one of them is brand new in the box, the other one has been fired and it comes in a breifcase and has a ton of mags with it. He asked if I was interested in any of them. I told him let me think about it. I talked to my C3 dealer buddy and he told me they are probably dealer samples... But today Jeff came in and told me that they are not dealer samples... he said that he thinks that they are on Form 4's but can't remember. (he needs to dig them out of a safe) Anyways... this guy is beyond financially stable and has always been a really decent guy to deal with. I asked him how much he would let the "used" Uzi go for and he said he paid $4500 for it several years ago so he would have to let it go for around there... My questions are: He says they are "Isreali" guns but I kind of understand the basics of Uzi's, that there are some that are conversions and some that are factory MG's... what should I be looking for when I see these? Also, if the price is right on the new one... should I buy both and sell one to offset the cost of the one I keep? What would the "right price" be if I could swing it? 
$4500 seems to be an awesome price for a transferable Uzi... I'm praying these are on Form 4's ready to transfer! 
- Clint |
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Trust me, this guy is completely legit... he was more or less the financial backer for his son's gun business. His son still does the gun show thing but Jeff has retired and doesn't/hasn't messed with it in a few years... as far as the price goes, I told a mutual friend of ours about what Jeff told me the price would be and he laughed and said "yeah that's just like him, to sell something that's worth $9000 to somebody he likes for $4500 not because that's what it's worth, but that's what he paid for it 10 years ago..." lol
- Clint |
| Right now registered bolt UZI's go for $5K and registered receiver UZI's go for $6-7K. There are also post dealer samples and pre-may dealer samples which go for less. Post samples only dealers can own, the pre-may samples can only be bought by dealers but can be kept even if they stop being a dealer. I would make sure they are in fact fully transferable first before buying. But yes $4500 is an awesome price for any fully transferable RR UZI. Of course it's about the current price of a Pre-may dealer sample... |
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Quoted: Right now registered bolt UZI's go for $5K and registered receiver UZI's go for $6-7K. There are also post dealer samples and pre-may dealer samples which go for less. Post samples only dealers can own, the pre-may samples can only be bought by dealers but can be kept even if they stop being a dealer. I would make sure they are in fact fully transferable first before buying. But yes $4500 is an awesome price for any fully transferable RR UZI. Of course it's about the current price of a Pre-may dealer sample... this |
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*snip* He says they are "Isreali" guns but I kind of understand the basics of Uzi's, that there are some that are conversions and some that are factory MG's... what should I be looking for when I see these? Also, if the price is right on the new one... should I buy both and sell one to offset the cost of the one I keep? What would the "right price" be if I could swing it?
*snip* remember, like all other foreign-made MG's, their supply was cut off not by the 86 MG ban but rather the 68 GCA. for foreign MG's to exist here in the US as a "factory" gun, the arm would have had to be built and imported into the US prior to 1968. the fullsized UZI did indeed exist prior to 68, and there is a very small handfull of pre-68 FACTORY IMI SMG's in the registry. when they come up the pull HUGE premiums. (i've only seen two come up for sale in the last 10 years...) if it is "israeli", and an SMG, the overwhealming liklihood is that it is a conversion from a semi. a few quick points to check: 1) look all over the gun for another manufacturer's markings - this'll be who did the conversion 2) check to see if the barrel is a shortened semi-auto unit, or SMG barrel 3) check inside the receiver to see if the restrictor ring is still incact, or was removed. 3.a) if the feed ramp is stamped into the receiver like the group/vector guns, verses the milled feedramp found on semi-conversions, it would be a dead giveaway that it was a rare pre-68 factory IMI. 4) check to see if the semi blocking bar is still in the rear of the receiver, or if it was removed. 4.a) a registered receiver with blocking bar and slotted SMG bolt is the least desireable RR uzi, in which case $4500 would probably be a fair deal on one of these in this economy... 5) lastly, check the finish on the gun. pre-68 factory IMI SMG's were either parked or blued. conversion guns are the typical paint-over-park that all the semi IMI guns were. that said, many conversion guns have had their finish stripped, and then re-parked. |
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For price reality check, I just bought a transferrable Uzi for $6300. Its was an IMI semi auto model imported by Group Industries and converted by Action Arms (I think I have that right?).
The conversion was properly done - removed blocking bar, modified to fit full auto barrel, etc. Its the best price for a proper conversion that I could find. If its transferrable, registered receiver and you don't want it, I'll pay $4500! |
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Quoted: I asked him what he had and he told me he couldn't remember but would bring them in to show me. A few weeks went by and he returned last week to tell me that they were "full sized 9mm SMG Uzi's"... one of them is brand new in the box, the other one has been fired and it comes in a breifcase and has a ton of mags with it. He asked if I was interested in any of them. I told him let me think about it. He says they are "Isreali" guns A brand-new in box Israeli Made 9mm SMG is a pre-68 import, and is worth $15K+ easy. They are pretty rare. You are going to have to see the guns & the forms to know what they really are. |
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Or more likely, it's one of the many IMI semi-auto guns that was converted prior to May '86. Those say "Israel" on them as well. Yep - though they'll usually also say "Action Arms, Phila, PA" They have both. Go here and scroll down to the semi auto variants to see the various markings. |
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