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Posted: 11/6/2015 3:02:30 PM EDT
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Hey all,
I have the Dillon CV-750 tumbler now, which is AWESOME and works great, but I've noticed brass that I tumbled a year ago has dulled and tarnished in some cases... I'm not sure if that's caused by the polishing compound left on the brass or just that it doesn't get everything.. So have been looking at Ultrasonic cleaners lately, I don't want to spend a ton of money on one, but I don't want to buy a POS either.. Harbor Freight (Yeah I know, but their Chicago Electric stuff is usually pretty decent) Has a 2.5L for $84.99 - 20% Coupon = $67.99. Cabela's has the Hornady Lock-N-Load Magnum 3L for $149.88 (Regularly $249.99?). Of is there a different brand/model that is better? Is the Hornady 2x better? Has anyone used both? Can anyone with experience with either of them chime in? How many .223 cases will fit in a 2.5L-3L unit? Compaired to a Dillon CV-750 (~250?)? Also any information/tips as to solution/method to use for cleaning brass? (Do you use the same solution for cleaning brass as parts) Thanks! -Masta |
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MastaMarksman, Have you thought of going the rout of a a rotary tumbler? I have a the Hornady Sonic cleaner , it just wasn't worth it for brass. I now use my friends rotary tumbler because it's so much better and easier. The sonic just never got it 100% clean, not like the tumbler does. Even the primer pocket come out supper clean with the tumbler. It's much more upfront, but cheaper in the long run in my option. Just use a table spoon of Dawn dish soap and 2 tablespoon of Lemi shine per load. |
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Hey all, I have the Dillon CV-750 tumbler now, which is AWESOME and works great, but I've noticed brass that I tumbled a year ago has dulled and tarnished in some cases... I'm not sure if that's caused by the polishing compound left on the brass or just that it doesn't get everything.. I think if you add a bit of Nufinish to your tumbling media your cases will stay shiny. When I was using a sonic cleaner the brass came out dull. Didn't matter as after sonic cleaning I sized, trimmed, then use a vibratory tumbler with Nufinish. |
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Okay.... I figured Ultrasonic would work better than a Wet Tumbler.... I guess that's not the case...
I'm not overly worried about the cases being shiny as more so that they don't tarnish... Clean primer pockets is also a plus! Okay, so if I went Rotary Tumbler, what Is the reccemonded route for that? How many .223 cases can you Rotart tumble at once? Thanks, -Masta |
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Quoted: Okay.... I figured Ultrasonic would work better than a Wet Tumbler.... I guess that's not the case... I'm not overly worried about the cases being shiny as more so that they don't tarnish... Clean primer pockets is also a plus! Okay, so if I went Rotary Tumbler, what Is the reccemonded route for that? How many .223 cases can you Rotart tumble at once? Thanks, -MastaMarksman I'm looking at this one, but I have done a one gallon bag full of 223 in he past with out issues in my friends tumbler. I IM him to give my the details of the one he has. Edit: My friend pinged me back. He got this kit. http://www.stainlesstumblingmedia.com/reloading-products/package-kits/stm-complete-package-2.html pics:    |
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I have one of the Harbor Freight Ultrasonic cleaners. Other than making noise I have not found a use for it. I bought it thinking I could get primer pockets clean before polishing them in my dry tumbler.
I tried about 5 or 6 different solutions. A couple of commercial products and a few home brew recipes from the internet. None did anything more than soaking the brass for a while would do. Complete waste of time. I tried batches of like 10 cases to see if maybe I was expecting too much. I then decided to try and clean guns in it using commercial solution. The water did turn black but the parts were still dirty. I tried a bunch of different products and recipes. Lastly I tried to clean a BCG from an AR15. First assembled and then disassembled. Tried one commercial gun parts cleaner and a recipe from the net. Neither did more than make lots of noise. Yes the water turned black but the parts still needed to be manually cleaned after like 10 cycles. Yes I tried distilled water, the solution is hot enough that it is uncomfortable to reach into it. My conclusion is either ultrasonic cleaning doesn't work or this thing is so under powered it is ineffective. I lean toward the underpowered conclusion because when first turned on with clean solution you can see carbon come off it just does not get enough off the really work well. I may buy a used medical unit and try that. The harbor Freight unit will be offered for sale soon. |
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I have several ultra sonic cleaners. They are NOT the be all end all of cleaning. They have very strong points and weak points. Knowing what will work in them is half the battle. I've yet to find a solution to real carbon. Not just gun carbon, but engine related carbon.
They are amazing at getting off oils and oils in unreachable places, great for car parts and gun parts if they were subjected to a dirty environment. You leave parts in there long enough, esp aluminum, and you will see tracking of the vibration waves. It's like tiny worm tracks. I'm concerned about coated gun parts getting damaged because of this. The only way to get carbon off, is scrubbing. |
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I'm looking at this one, but I have done a one gallon bag full of 223 in he past with out issues in my friends tumbler. I IM him to give my the details of the one he has. Edit: My friend pinged me back. He got this kit. http://www.stainlesstumblingmedia.com/reloading-products/package-kits/stm-complete-package-2.html pics: <a href="http://s314.photobucket.com/user/hdc_ar15/media/Stuff/IMG_2284.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll434/hdc_ar15/Stuff/IMG_2284.jpg</a> <a href="http://s314.photobucket.com/user/hdc_ar15/media/Stuff/IMG_2286.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll434/hdc_ar15/Stuff/IMG_2286.jpg</a> <a href="http://s314.photobucket.com/user/hdc_ar15/media/Stuff/IMG_2288.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll434/hdc_ar15/Stuff/IMG_2288.jpg</a> Quoted:
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Okay.... I figured Ultrasonic would work better than a Wet Tumbler.... I guess that's not the case... I'm not overly worried about the cases being shiny as more so that they don't tarnish... Clean primer pockets is also a plus! Okay, so if I went Rotary Tumbler, what Is the reccemonded route for that? How many .223 cases can you Rotart tumble at once? Thanks, -MastaMarksman I'm looking at this one, but I have done a one gallon bag full of 223 in he past with out issues in my friends tumbler. I IM him to give my the details of the one he has. Edit: My friend pinged me back. He got this kit. http://www.stainlesstumblingmedia.com/reloading-products/package-kits/stm-complete-package-2.html pics: <a href="http://s314.photobucket.com/user/hdc_ar15/media/Stuff/IMG_2284.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll434/hdc_ar15/Stuff/IMG_2284.jpg</a> <a href="http://s314.photobucket.com/user/hdc_ar15/media/Stuff/IMG_2286.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll434/hdc_ar15/Stuff/IMG_2286.jpg</a> <a href="http://s314.photobucket.com/user/hdc_ar15/media/Stuff/IMG_2288.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll434/hdc_ar15/Stuff/IMG_2288.jpg</a> Any idea what size that barrel is? I was thinking of this one: http://www.cabelas.com/product/thumler-s-tumbler-model-b-rotary-tumbler/705690.uts?destination=%2Fcategory%2FCase-Cleaning%2F104661180.uts&No=0 But I'm not really sure on size and capacity... Also I guess RPM is important... I would prefer not to have to tumble for many hours especially if it's a smaller capacity... But I don't usually tumble more than a couple hundred cases at once... I know I've read in the past use Stainless Steel Media, anything specific? Is Lemishine and dawn the only solution needed? Thanks, -Masta |
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Quoted: Any idea what size that barrel is? I was thinking of this one: http://www.cabelas.com/product/thumler-s-tumbler-model-b-rotary-tumbler/705690.uts?destination=%2Fcategory%2FCase-Cleaning%2F104661180.uts&No=0 But I'm not really sure on size and capacity... Also I guess RPM is important... I would prefer not to have to tumble for many hours especially if it's a smaller capacity... But I don't usually tumble more than a couple hundred cases at once... I know I've read in the past use Stainless Steel Media, anything specific? Is Lemishine and dawn the only solution needed? Thanks, -Chad Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Okay.... I figured Ultrasonic would work better than a Wet Tumbler.... I guess that's not the case... I'm not overly worried about the cases being shiny as more so that they don't tarnish... Clean primer pockets is also a plus! Okay, so if I went Rotary Tumbler, what Is the reccemonded route for that? How many .223 cases can you Rotart tumble at once? Thanks, -MastaMarksman I'm looking at this one, but I have done a one gallon bag full of 223 in he past with out issues in my friends tumbler. I IM him to give my the details of the one he has. Edit: My friend pinged me back. He got this kit. http://www.stainlesstumblingmedia.com/reloading-products/package-kits/stm-complete-package-2.html pics: <a href="http://s314.photobucket.com/user/hdc_ar15/media/Stuff/IMG_2284.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll434/hdc_ar15/Stuff/IMG_2284.jpg</a> <a href="http://s314.photobucket.com/user/hdc_ar15/media/Stuff/IMG_2286.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll434/hdc_ar15/Stuff/IMG_2286.jpg</a> <a href="http://s314.photobucket.com/user/hdc_ar15/media/Stuff/IMG_2288.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll434/hdc_ar15/Stuff/IMG_2288.jpg</a> Any idea what size that barrel is? I was thinking of this one: http://www.cabelas.com/product/thumler-s-tumbler-model-b-rotary-tumbler/705690.uts?destination=%2Fcategory%2FCase-Cleaning%2F104661180.uts&No=0 But I'm not really sure on size and capacity... Also I guess RPM is important... I would prefer not to have to tumble for many hours especially if it's a smaller capacity... But I don't usually tumble more than a couple hundred cases at once... I know I've read in the past use Stainless Steel Media, anything specific? Is Lemishine and dawn the only solution needed? Thanks, -Chad Steel Media, Lemishine and dawn is the only things needed. I had the measurements wrong earlier. I think this is what he follows. Tumbles for 4 hours, then uses 1/4 classifier we found at Cabelas, a paint strainer from Sherwin Williams, and a 5 gal bucket to separate and rinse the media and the cases under a hose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzi7FaQVNhw. Than let dry in the garage spread out on a towel. We have not seen the cases tarnish with this method. |
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Any idea what size that barrel is? I was thinking of this one: http://www.cabelas.com/product/thumler-s-tumbler-model-b-rotary-tumbler/705690.uts?destination=%2Fcategory%2FCase-Cleaning%2F104661180.uts&No=0 But I'm not really sure on size and capacity... Also I guess RPM is important... I would prefer not to have to tumble for many hours especially if it's a smaller capacity... But I don't usually tumble more than a couple hundred cases at once... I know I've read in the past use Stainless Steel Media, anything specific? Is Lemishine and dawn the only solution needed? Thanks, -Chad Quoted:
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Okay.... I figured Ultrasonic would work better than a Wet Tumbler.... I guess that's not the case... I'm not overly worried about the cases being shiny as more so that they don't tarnish... Clean primer pockets is also a plus! Okay, so if I went Rotary Tumbler, what Is the reccemonded route for that? How many .223 cases can you Rotart tumble at once? Thanks, -MastaMarksman I'm looking at this one, but I have done a one gallon bag full of 223 in he past with out issues in my friends tumbler. I IM him to give my the details of the one he has. Edit: My friend pinged me back. He got this kit. http://www.stainlesstumblingmedia.com/reloading-products/package-kits/stm-complete-package-2.html pics: <a href="http://s314.photobucket.com/user/hdc_ar15/media/Stuff/IMG_2284.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll434/hdc_ar15/Stuff/IMG_2284.jpg</a> <a href="http://s314.photobucket.com/user/hdc_ar15/media/Stuff/IMG_2286.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll434/hdc_ar15/Stuff/IMG_2286.jpg</a> <a href="http://s314.photobucket.com/user/hdc_ar15/media/Stuff/IMG_2288.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll434/hdc_ar15/Stuff/IMG_2288.jpg</a> Any idea what size that barrel is? I was thinking of this one: http://www.cabelas.com/product/thumler-s-tumbler-model-b-rotary-tumbler/705690.uts?destination=%2Fcategory%2FCase-Cleaning%2F104661180.uts&No=0 But I'm not really sure on size and capacity... Also I guess RPM is important... I would prefer not to have to tumble for many hours especially if it's a smaller capacity... But I don't usually tumble more than a couple hundred cases at once... I know I've read in the past use Stainless Steel Media, anything specific? Is Lemishine and dawn the only solution needed? Thanks, -Chad in the frankford arsenal one i know you can fit up to 1000 223 cases in it at one go...thats what it is rated for |
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and then there is this route if you want to save some money...harbor freight has a 20% off coupon going on until 11/11/15
wet tumbling on the cheap |
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I ended up going to Cabelas and getting the Frankford Arsenal. It did the job just a good as my friends. The drum is quite large, and I like the timer feature. I have about 500 to 600 rounds of 223 drying on the garage floor right now. 
I am at Scheels as I type this.. They have the Frankford Arsenal on display, plugged in! It's really loud! Kind of clunky! But larger than I expected from the picture.. I think I'm going to go with a Thumblers Tumbler Model B. They are ALOT quieter.. (I've seen them Rollin' in the past and are almost silent) -Masta |
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I have a pair of Model B's, they work well. My methods here, http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/344832_Wet_tumbling_with_SS_media__lots_of_pics__New_info_second_post_10_02_2015_.html |
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I think if you add a bit of Nufinish to your tumbling media your cases will stay shiny. When I was using a sonic cleaner the brass came out dull. Didn't matter as after sonic cleaning I sized, trimmed, then use a vibratory tumbler with Nufinish. Nufinish with denatured mineral spirits. I have cases that look so good I have trouble telling that they have been fired. |
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