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Posted: 12/31/2007 4:13:48 PM EDT
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Who's got one.... I wanna see some pictures, Thanks (preferably not gay pics) 
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Yeah I remember that guy, damn Canadians, (J/K) He is either very secure with his sexuality and has a good sense of humor, or he is a massive flammer. Ok any pictures that are a little less Gay with the VZ-58? |
I always found that pic absolutely hilarious. The guy that posted it deserves a membership. - BG |
+1. IIRC that was also his very first post on ARFCOM. |
Best first post ever. - BG |
Very nice........how do you like it? I am very tempted to get one of these instead of an Arsenal SLR-106
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Very nice thanks, I was hoping to see one with the bolt open. I hear they are very spacious inside. |
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I really like the VZ. It handles great and weighs so little considering it has a milled receiver. I think either rifle would be a good choice. It depends on what you have in your collection. If you have alot of stamped AK's go with the VZ . If not try the Arsenal out. Ammo and accesories are a tad cheaper for the VZ right now if thats a factor for you.
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Good question, I know how the Canadians are getting them, but I have no idea how Aim surplus and Atlantic firearms are selling them..... I'm interested to know more too. |
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http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj10/TheMartianMenace/Vz.jpg My CZ USA rifle with aftermarket ergo grips. |
www.cz-usa.com/media_releases.php?m=4&msgid=74 |
Thanks for the reply...........I am sooo tempted to forgo the cash for a Masada or SCAR-L and get one of these........the synthetic handguards and pistol grip look good on these
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There's a guy on canadiangunnutz.com who has a shitload of accessories for these things. you gotta sign up there. there is a monster thread dedicated to the VZ under the black rifle section. Anyways, the guys' name on CGN is "palinak" He runs the website www.vz58.net, and you should be able to order any accessories from him. also try www.wolverinesupplies.com (their version is the CZ-858) or www.marstar.ca I absolutely love the VZ. it is so light, yet rugged as hell, they can take an unbelievable amount of abuse, and are quite accurate as well. cheers |
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Which rifle is better, the AK or VZ58 is more a matter of opinon than anything else. The AKM is the world standard in terms of reliability, and being that AK's are everywhere and VZ58's are not, its hard to accurately compare them. VZ's are comparitively more expensive to produce and overall less availible, which accounts for thier comparitive scarcity. Those that use the VZ58 seem to relish it. Also consider exactly who uses the VZ58. Countries that issue the AKM as thier standard infantry rifle, or even those that issue another system entirely, have been known to issue VZ58s to thier special forces units.Thats a powerful statement IMO. There are just too few VZ58's in comparitive military service to gauge its reliability comapred to the ever prevelant AK. Given that AK issuing governments issue the VZ to thier elite units and they are still in front line service, must say something about its reliability. With a modicum of care, its relibility is probably equal to the AK. The VZ58 is a more accurate weapon than your garden variety AK. It doesn't have the thin, flexing receiver that the AKM has and its machined to tighter tolerances. 7.62x39 accuracy is paradoxical at best. The cartridge doesn't have much inherent accuracy and its generally made to poor quality compared to other military ammunition. Using milspec type 7.62x39 the VZ58 will generally be more accurate than an AKM. A Century AKM type rifle is a very representitive sample of an actual milspec type AK, maybe with an exception made to the barrel. Before OIF and Arsenal, SOCOM issued Norinco made Type 56 side folders as thier "standard issue" AKM. Other than being select fire, they are no different than thier commercially availible counterparts... Which is better is entirely a matter of opinion. IMO, I believe the VZ58 to be superior, especially in 7.62x45. Its obscurity is definatly a strike against it, and so is its somewhat unquantified performance...atleast IMO. That being said, I'd take a VZ58 over a garden variety AKM any day of the week. |
I need to change my pants. Some of those are really cool. I like the shorties, and didn't realize there were so many furniture options out there for them. I might pick one up this Friday. |
I don't think the VZ-58 was ever made in 7.62x45, but the earlier VZ-52 was. It was more like an SKS, with it's 10-round magazine and more traditional stock. |
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7.62x45mm VZ58's did in fact exist.Besides initial testing and development I doubt they were ever used in a military capacity. 7.62x45 is domestic, and was popular at the time so it only makes sense they would chamber this rifle in thier own caliber. Though they did exist, they are a Zebra and are vastly outnumbered by M43 chambered rifles. Its really too bad this round is a foot note in military history. Load this cartridge with a 100 grain bullet, or maybe 115, and you could have 6.8 type performance and application. The extra case capacity and a lighter bullet would be a huge advantage over standard M43. FWIW, Kalashnikov hated the 5.45x39 and propsed a "7.62x39 A2" if you will. He had some interesting ideas on how to improve the round, some of which were later implemented and used by Russain units still using AKM type rifles chambered in M43. Still, it is what its-a 39mm case. A few extra mm's of case capacity would be nice for this round, IMO...that is without being 7.62x51 NATO. |
Chris is correct. AFAIK the VZ-58 was never made in 7.62x45, the czechs had unfortunately adopted the 7.62x39 by the time the VZ-58 was introduced. Perhaps a few prototypes but no production guns. VZ-52's were the only mass produced gun in 7.62x45 and even they were later converted for 7.62x39. |
Thanks for the info. I would love to have one of these, Its just I have two AKs, a siaga and over a dozen sks rifles so I have the 7.62X39 round covered. |
 Nice, what is that a Slovakian armory or something? |
When I called 7.62x45 VZ58's "Zebras" this is precisely what I ment. They absolutely WERE MADE, this is specifed in the 12th edition of Small Arms of the World and else where. How many were made? Who knows...obviously, there were thousands more M43 chambered guns...You admitted your self, prototypes were made so we are essentially in agreement. Its a safe bet that atleast 50 were made in this caliber, maybe more...maybe less. VZ58's were made in 7.62x45...how many is somewhat irrelevant. |
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Very cool pictures. You have Czechs in the everglades!
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nope, I don't think any of them do. you have to have an extended muzzle nut welded on to meet the whole 16' mess. hinking.gif |
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