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Posted: 8/16/2006 4:50:42 PM EDT
| I am considering purchasing a 9mm "defence" pistol. Either a Uzi made by Vector Arms or a MAC-10 clone from Masterpiece Arms. I know very little about the reliability of either one of these companies. Can anyone help shed some light on this topic? |
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Welcome to ARFCOM! As a reply to your first post. neither of the 2 weapons you mentioned are a good choice for a home defense pistol. Spend your money on a true handgun, Colt, HK, SIG, Glock, Etc.. Practice and become proficient with it. then move on to some of the other firearms you want to try |
I absolutely agree. A well made, reliable hi-cap pistol is a vastly better choice IMO. Much more usable, easy to manipulate and carry. From the 2 choices given though, UZI, hands down. |
| I have several hanguns, assault weapons, etc. I am looking for a 9mm machine pistol that is not outrageously priced. I picked these two because they fit the budget. The Vector is upwards of about $600 give or take. Any suggestions or alternatives for 9mm machine pistols under $700? |
I'm sorry, I misunderstood, I guess that you were looking for a "9mm Machinepistol" not a 9mm "defence" pistol. Sometimes new members don't get their terminology right, so we generally assume that they are new to firearms, but I clearly understand what you were saying, or what you thought we understood what you meant. |
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Go with the MPA 9mm or the MPA in .45acp. I have one in 9mm with the side cocker and uses the sten magazines that you can find anywhere. The gun is very well made and I have yet to have a jam with this gun, very fun gun...... and you can not beat the price... I paid $349.00 plus tax for mine. I also got a mag loader, threaded barrel extension and picked up 6 magazines when I bought mine. You do not get any severe trigger slap with this gun like you do with similar style uzi's or mac's. Go ahead and try one , I think you'll enjoy it !! |
Do they accept standard aftermarket parts? |
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i have met the owner of MPA <gary> and been to their shop in GA a few times. I had some wierd issues with one of their carbines and we were working to figure out a solution for my particular issue. MPA is VERY customer oriented. not only did i get some SERIOUS one on one treatment i got a complete tour of the shop and got to play with lots of the stuff the make as well as protypes of things they made or or 2 of and never marketed. They are a SERIOUSLY creative bunch and i can't say enough good things about them. other than the mpa971 they sadly don't build much more i am interested in. if they did i would own one of each. well made and their customer service is one of the best out there. |
Just trying to save you money. Later, you will most likely trade off (at a loss)the Gangsta Special and get a real defensive pistol. We are merely sharing our experiences with you. |
if you want to go that route 9mm and defense don't really go together anyway 
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Sure it does if you can shoot. |
Maybe you missed the point. I am looking for an assault, defensive (whatever) style 9mm machine pistol (discriptive), realitivly inexpensive, reliable and fun to shoot. I have a safe full of different handguns and rifles of all shapes and sizes, but not one in the "assault pistol" catagory. I don't want to spend a whole lot of $$ on it because I'm not going to use it all the time and at the same time I don't want to get ripped off. Sorry if the previous course of conversation leads one to believe that I am in the market for a Glock, but that was not my intention. |
Sorry, you show up with post #1 asking about a semi auto machine type pistol (gangsta/mall ninja favorites) for defensive use. We just tried help to steer you something that is actually useful and has the magazine capacity you are looking for. Machine pistols are only useful in FA, and that is subject for debate. By design they do not lend themselves well to malfunction clearing, emergency, tactial and one handed reloading as a typical semi auto pistol does. Good luck with your purchase. |
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I haven't heard a lot about Vector Uzis, but I know they make excellent AKs. Vector seems to enjoy a very good reputation as a company, and hopefully their Uzis are up to par with their other offerings. I've heard a lot of good things about MPA MACs. In fact, I can't remember ever hearing a bad comment. Supposedly they make the best semi-auto MAC clones on the market, and their customer service is supposed to be great, too. Good luck, and post pics when you make your purchase. MCO |
| It dosen't look like anyone has anything bad to say about either one. I'm kind of torn. Has any one heard anything about the Vulcan Arms Mac's??? I was checking those out online and they look mean. They also run about $300. I want to know if any of these guns take after market parts or accessories. |
Stay away from anything Vulcan, eveyone will tell you to run the other way. |
Tell me, why is that? I really don't know anything about them. |
Vulcan Armament used to be a company known as Hesse Arms. Hesse had one of the worst reputations around. Even their AKs were known for not functioning. Vulcan is the same company, but with a different name. From what I hear their receivers have a tendency to not be in spec, and there have been some issues with soft steel. Others can fill you in on other problems with Vulcan/Hesse guns, but the long and the short of it, is that the weapons are unreliable. |
And run fast. AR15.comers don't let other AR15.comers buy Hesse/Vulcan. Might as well save yourself the FFL transfer fee and just burn $300 right there in your fireplace. |
| Thanks for the info on the Vulcon's guys. On that alone, I won't buy one so thanks. I've talked to the guys are Vector and MPA. Both said that the parts are interchangable. Vector said that they are back ordered till at least December. MPA's are available around here and there, but I want to see the one with the 10 inch barrel with the AR front grip, side cocker model. If anyone has one in the Houston Area, let me know. |
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