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Posted: 8/6/2011 8:42:47 PM EDT
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OK, I bought a Vector MP5/10 a couple of years ago. With some HK parts, I have it running just fine now. But ...
It has terrible accuracy. I mean 4-5 inch groups at 15 yards, foot plus at 50 yards. Unable to hit a paper plate at 50 yards. That's off a bench, with a sandbag, using a Burris red dot and BT scope mount, or with irons. I had a trigger job done on it when I first got it, so that's not the problem. I'd heard that the fake supperssor can affect accuracy, so I sent the rifle to Tuner Fabrications, and he took the old can off, and put a new one on, saying he though the problem was fixed. It's not. It's hard to peer down into the chamber and barrel, but nothing looks amiss. I can see the rifling, so I think the bullet is getting the proper spin, and the bullet holes on the target are nice and clean, no keyholing or indications that the bullet is tubinling or wobbling. So: 1. Any ideas as to what the issue might be? 2. Any recommendations on a good HK smith to digaonse and fix? 3. All I can think of is the barrel is shot, and I need a new one. I see a 10mm bbl on HKParts for about 200 bucks. How do you install a new barrel (or rather how does a smith install one) and how much would that cost do you think? I've love to get this thing up and fully going, as it's a great carbine - handy, and powerful. I just need to fix it's musket like accuracy. Thanks, |
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I have basically the same gun by Coharie. If I look down the barrel from the muzzle end I can tell that the fake can is out of alignment.
I don't believe it's causing bullet strikes but it sure can't be helping in terms of accuracy. My accuracy is decent but not stellar, I'd guess the offset can is causing a disruption of gases as the bullet travels thru the can. You might check with Ghilliebear or Chopstix Kid about a barrel install. They are both very active members on the HKPRO forums. You're right about the 10mm carbine it's a fun beast to shoot, in full auto it really gets your attention. |
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http://www.prusikusa.com/ 918-696-8715 918-781-3939 Chopstix is harder to get ahold of... basically you have to register at HKpro then IM him. He's VERY easy to get a hold of that way, but his website http://www.dakotatactical.com/ doesn't have a single active link. Both of those guys are FANTASTIC HK smiths and either one will be willing to talk to you about what's going on and how they can check/fix it. BTW, have you considered ditching the faux suppressor and getting your tax stamp and having a legal SBR? |
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Contact Mike Turner and request he re-investigate the issue. He is pretty good with these weapons and if the problem was not corrected then why repay for a fix? He does guaranty his work?
Look and insure you are not getting bullet strike on the fake can any little misalignment can cause this issue. Check your bullet seating in the barrel. Insure that the chamber is correctly sized. Check the flutes. scope the barrel, you will know if its bad many different things could be an issue in the barrel. Hope this helps. P.S. Small note.....check your trunnion and insure your bullet guides are correctly installed. |
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It could be, but with the fake can on it, I can't tell.
I also can't really see into the chanber area, due to it being so low and surrounded by the rest of the reciever. I've thought about getting it SBR'ed, but I don't have a trust right now, and besides, I think I'd rather be sure that this is something worth doing all that work for, before spending the cash on it. Plus it would be harder to sell as a SBR if I decieded I just didn't want to work on it anymore. I'll drop Turner a line, and see what his thoughts are. |
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What's a true H&K capable of shooting at same distances? Could be why there aint a shit load of them being used worldwide. To quote the mp5 manual all versions 9mm, .40, 10mm are zeroed at the factory at 25 meters with 5 rounds all 5 rounds need to fall into a 1.58 inch circle or smaller or the weapon is rejected. |
| If it says Vector on it, thats your problem. Their HK type rifles SUCK big time. I have one of their V-53 SBR's and you can't hit anything with it at 25 yards. Their quality control and customer service have gone WAY downhill. I agree that at one time they were the best company in the country when it came to UZI's, but they should have stayed out of the HK clone game. |
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If it says Vector on it, thats your problem. Their HK type rifles SUCK big time. I have one of their V-53 SBR's and you can't hit anything with it at 25 yards. Their quality control and customer service have gone WAY downhill. I agree that at one time they were the best company in the country when it came to UZI's, but they should have stayed out of the HK clone game. Hmmm, I have a V53 SBR (formerly a V53LS that I cut and recrowned) and it shoots 1.5-3 MOA all day long with steel case ammo. What is the twist rate on your barrel. Should be 1:7-1:9. Mine is 1:9. |
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If it says Vector on it, thats your problem. Their HK type rifles SUCK big time. I have one of their V-53 SBR's and you can't hit anything with it at 25 yards. Their quality control and customer service have gone WAY downhill. I agree that at one time they were the best company in the country when it came to UZI's, but they should have stayed out of the HK clone game. Hmmm, I have a V53 SBR (formerly a V53LS that I cut and recrowned) and it shoots 1.5-3 MOA all day long with steel case ammo. What is the twist rate on your barrel. Should be 1:7-1:9. Mine is 1:9. If YOU cut it and recrowned it, thats probably why it works for you. I have no idea what the twist rate is. The rifle functions great, it just won't hit anything you aim it at. I contacted Vector about it and they had me send it back. They kept it for three weeks and sent it back with a bent front sling ring and a bent cocking tube. They sent a note that said they had "tweaked" it to make it shoot point of aim. Nope, not even close. I sent it to RDTS who kept it for 3 months and said they couldn't find anything wrong with it but didn't have any problem charging me $250.00 for "range testing" it. I don't have any problem hitting what I aim at with any other rifle I have and I've been shooting hi-power rifle competition for years, so I know it's not me. |
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If it says Vector on it, thats your problem. Their HK type rifles SUCK big time. I have one of their V-53 SBR's and you can't hit anything with it at 25 yards. Their quality control and customer service have gone WAY downhill. I agree that at one time they were the best company in the country when it came to UZI's, but they should have stayed out of the HK clone game. Hmmm, I have a V53 SBR (formerly a V53LS that I cut and recrowned) and it shoots 1.5-3 MOA all day long with steel case ammo. What is the twist rate on your barrel. Should be 1:7-1:9. Mine is 1:9. If YOU cut it and recrowned it, thats probably why it works for you. I have no idea what the twist rate is. The rifle functions great, it just won't hit anything you aim it at. I contacted Vector about it and they had me send it back. They kept it for three weeks and sent it back with a bent front sling ring and a bent cocking tube. They sent a note that said they had "tweaked" it to make it shoot point of aim. Nope, not even close. I sent it to RDTS who kept it for 3 months and said they couldn't find anything wrong with it but didn't have any problem charging me $250.00 for "range testing" it. I don't have any problem hitting what I aim at with any other rifle I have and I've been shooting hi-power rifle competition for years, so I know it's not me. Honestly, I'd call Ghilliebear or Chops. I sent Ghillie an MP5-40P clone all I asked for was a reweld of a feed ramp. Ghillie not only fixed what I ask, he also took the firearm out to the range to test it and also zeroed the firearm at 25 yds. I haven't had any work done by any of the other guys (Chops has given me advice in more than 1 instance), but because of my positive experiences with GB, I will probably go to him every time. |
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If it says Vector on it, thats your problem. Their HK type rifles SUCK big time. I have one of their V-53 SBR's and you can't hit anything with it at 25 yards. Their quality control and customer service have gone WAY downhill. I agree that at one time they were the best company in the country when it came to UZI's, but they should have stayed out of the HK clone game. Hmmm, I have a V53 SBR (formerly a V53LS that I cut and recrowned) and it shoots 1.5-3 MOA all day long with steel case ammo. What is the twist rate on your barrel. Should be 1:7-1:9. Mine is 1:9. If YOU cut it and recrowned it, thats probably why it works for you. I have no idea what the twist rate is. The rifle functions great, it just won't hit anything you aim it at. I contacted Vector about it and they had me send it back. They kept it for three weeks and sent it back with a bent front sling ring and a bent cocking tube. They sent a note that said they had "tweaked" it to make it shoot point of aim. Nope, not even close. I sent it to RDTS who kept it for 3 months and said they couldn't find anything wrong with it but didn't have any problem charging me $250.00 for "range testing" it. I don't have any problem hitting what I aim at with any other rifle I have and I've been shooting hi-power rifle competition for years, so I know it's not me. Honestly, I'd call Ghilliebear or Chops. I sent Ghillie an MP5-40P clone all I asked for was a reweld of a feed ramp. Ghillie not only fixed what I ask, he also took the firearm out to the range to test it and also zeroed the firearm at 25 yds. I haven't had any work done by any of the other guys (Chops has given me advice in more than 1 instance), but because of my positive experiences with GB, I will probably go to him every time. I'm not putting any more money into this money pit. I just learned my lesson about Vector products. If it says Vector, RUN AWAY. |
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I'll give you $100 for it, sight unseen. I bet you would. Hey, I'm just saying. It's a Vector, you hate Vector. I'll take it off your hands and you'll make some $$ back from it.  Yeah well, I got screwed, but I'm not going to get raped. If you're really interested in buying it and paying the tax stamps and a fair price, send me a PM. |
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I'll give you $100 for it, sight unseen. I bet you would. Hey, I'm just saying. It's a Vector, you hate Vector. I'll take it off your hands and you'll make some $$ back from it. Yeah well, I got screwed, but I'm not going to get raped. If you're really interested in buying it and paying the tax stamps and a fair price, send me a PM. I'd love to, unfortunately I cannot offer you fair price currently. 
I was just hoping you were really REALLY mad about it. Plus I was hoping to make you chuckle a little. Tax Stamps though? I thought you had a new fake suppressor pinned? It shouldn't be an SBR at that point. I hope you are able to get what you need for it man. Sucks that it isn't accurate. If it were my situation and I wasn't willing to put anymore into it. I'd be willing to take a small loss (no way I'd take a $100 offer either) and make some of my $$ back, and contact Dakota Tactical/Turner Fabrications or one of the other custom clone manufactures and have them build you a .40. |
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I'll give you $100 for it, sight unseen. I bet you would. Hey, I'm just saying. It's a Vector, you hate Vector. I'll take it off your hands and you'll make some $$ back from it. Yeah well, I got screwed, but I'm not going to get raped. If you're really interested in buying it and paying the tax stamps and a fair price, send me a PM. I'd love to, unfortunately I cannot offer you fair price currently.
I was just hoping you were really REALLY mad about it. Plus I was hoping to make you chuckle a little. Tax Stamps though? I thought you had a new fake suppressor pinned? It shouldn't be an SBR at that point. I hope you are able to get what you need for it man. Sucks that it isn't accurate. If it were my situation and I wasn't willing to put anymore into it. I'd be willing to take a small loss (no way I'd take a $100 offer either) and make some of my $$ back, and contact Dakota Tactical/Turner Fabrications or one of the other custom clone manufactures and have them build you a .40. What I REALLY am is disappointed in the company that used to have such a good reputation and name for quality products. This is a Vector V-53 with an 8" barrel. Looks just like an MP-5 except that it shoots .223/5.56. It is an SBR. |
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I'll give you $100 for it, sight unseen. I bet you would. Hey, I'm just saying. It's a Vector, you hate Vector. I'll take it off your hands and you'll make some $$ back from it. Yeah well, I got screwed, but I'm not going to get raped. If you're really interested in buying it and paying the tax stamps and a fair price, send me a PM. I'd love to, unfortunately I cannot offer you fair price currently.
I was just hoping you were really REALLY mad about it. Plus I was hoping to make you chuckle a little. Tax Stamps though? I thought you had a new fake suppressor pinned? It shouldn't be an SBR at that point. I hope you are able to get what you need for it man. Sucks that it isn't accurate. If it were my situation and I wasn't willing to put anymore into it. I'd be willing to take a small loss (no way I'd take a $100 offer either) and make some of my $$ back, and contact Dakota Tactical/Turner Fabrications or one of the other custom clone manufactures and have them build you a .40. What I REALLY am is disappointed in the company that used to have such a good reputation and name for quality products. This is a Vector V-53 with an 8" barrel. Looks just like an MP-5 except that it shoots .223/5.56. It is an SBR. Well, I have plenty of .223 rifles. Best of luck! |
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