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Visual Guide: How to Fill out a Form 1 using EForms (Page 3 of 6)
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
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Originally Posted By np149:
Thanks for this post! I have another dumb question! 
I just received my approved Form 1 this morning. I had a few hiccups in the submission process that caused the first attempt to get rejected. The corrected second attempt flew through. My question is that my approved Form 1 says DRAFT across the face of it in a large, bold greyed out watermark. Do they all look like that when they are approved? I thought I read that somewhere on here in the past, but I couldn't find the thread to see what the answer was. Thanks! |
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Don’t know if it’s been pointed out, but the Silencer Shop video/link isn’t working. Found another how to by Capital Armory  Guide to Form 1 on EForms |
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Originally Posted By Default-Gateway:
I'm filling out a efile 1 for a suppressor. As far as the manufacturer, model number and serial number. What do I put for these? thanks @BigWaylon NM, I think I got it. I used FMI, N/A and then made up a serial. Just make sure the SN had at least one numeral. |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Yep, that should work. Just make sure the SN had at least one numeral. Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By Default-Gateway:
I'm filling out a efile 1 for a suppressor. As far as the manufacturer, model number and serial number. What do I put for these? thanks @BigWaylon NM, I think I got it. I used FMI, N/A and then made up a serial. Just make sure the SN had at least one numeral.  Thanks
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| So ,my previous sbrs have been separate single shot trusts thru silencer shop. If I want to do the efile it looks like I need to set up a different type trust, correct? One that can have multiple firearms associated with it? How does one go about doing this? |
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Originally Posted By 03PSD:
So ,my previous sbrs have been separate single shot trusts thru silencer shop. If I want to do the efile it looks like I need to set up a different type trust, correct? One that can have multiple firearms associated with it? How does one go about doing this? You can still do a single shot style trust with EForms. Get a new trust, name it whatever you want, and then duplicate it and change the name as many times as you want. Or just get a trust and keep adding stuff to it. Or file as an individual. There is no “must do it this way” rule... |
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Originally Posted By kanewtervalve:
Have you been using efile as a trust or is this just the first efile? Originally Posted By kanewtervalve:
Originally Posted By NotanATFagent:
It looks like I can e-file as an individual (which is great) Anything different I need to look out for when filing as an individual? All my other NFA items are paper individuals |
That 16" barrel looks suspiciously like it's 15.9" long ...
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It's very similar to paper filing, just off the top of my head you don't have to put down what your going to engrave on the gun. I found a couple of walkthroughs as
I was filling my first efile out, you can save and go back to it as many times as you like, only after you pay and finalize you can't. I actually took a picture from my latest paper approved form and scanned it and cropped the pic to upload. Just take your time and if you get stuck just ask on here, someone will get back quick. |
| all the online guides sort of gloss over the part about the fingerprinting. I ordered and received a stack of the FD-258 fingerprint forms but am confused. Can I take my own prints and just send in 2 completed sheets with the cover letter and completed Form 1? What do you put for signature of official taking fingerprints and the employer and address?? Do you complete all the boxes at the top of the FD258 or as many as you can, ie height, weight, alias, race, DOB, Armed forces, etc? |
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Originally Posted By 03PSD:
all the online guides sort of gloss over the part about the fingerprinting. I ordered and received a stack of the FD-258 fingerprint forms but am confused. Can I take my own prints and just send in 2 completed sheets with the cover letter and completed Form 1? What do you put for signature of official taking fingerprints and the employer and address?? Do you complete all the boxes at the top of the FD258 or as many as you can, ie height, weight, alias, race, DOB, Armed forces, etc? That link should take you to the post you need. |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
It's in the 41F "Work In Progress" sticky: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/465636_Work_In_Progress__new_F1_F4_guide_for_41F_submissions.html&page=1#i4612894 That link should take you to the post you need. |
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I'm filling out the SBR manufacturer and manufacturer country fields right now ...
Would my M92 SBR be listed as Zastava, Serbia? Or as Century Arms, United States? It was imported by Century Arms, and that's how another member here did it. I just want to do it correctly. |
That 16" barrel looks suspiciously like it's 15.9" long ...
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Thanks again for the walk-through, @BigWaylon. I skimmed through it again last night and this morning. My last eForm 1 only took 169 days to be approved. You'd think I'd have learned from that. Sadly, no. Just filed another one this morning. Got the emails for payment confirmation and (I presume) fingerprint cover letter within a couple of minutes, so I've apparently done something right. Prints and CLEO notification will hit the mail in the morning. This is one also went smoothly, and much quicker than the first one since I (kind of) know what I'm doing. It's getting easier to feed the addiction. Now, if it'll just get faster... |
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Originally Posted By NotanATFagent:
I'm filling out the SBR manufacturer and manufacturer country fields right now ... Would my M92 SBR be listed as Zastava, Serbia? Or as Century Arms, United States? It was imported by Century Arms, and that's how another member here did it. I just want to do it correctly. |
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Thank you BigWaylon for a helpful guide. You cost me $200 yesterday. In case things evolved over the years, can someone confirm the steps after receiving the eForms Application Submission Notification email? 1. For ATF, do I simply mail a hard copy of CoverLetter.pdf and two finger print cards now? Uploaded during the application online: ∙ Photograph of each RP (on Responsible Persons screen) ∙ Scanned 5320.23 for each RP, signed (on Responsible Persons screen) ∙ Scanned trust document, signed and notarized (on Electronic Documents screen) Also, I paid the tax online by credit card, and Form.pdf with the SUBMITTED watermark comes from ATF in the first place. 2. For the CLEO, I believe they get: ∙ Printed pages 4-6 of Form.pdf with the SUBMITTED watermark from ATF ∙ Printed pages 3-4 of 5320.23, responsible person questionnaire (original ink?) In this case, I'm the only RP (grantor/trustee) so no additional CLEO notifications, and I'm sending to State AG. Speaking of evolving process, for silencer model, I didn't see "N/A" so I selected "NONE" from the drop-down list. I hope they don't expect me to engrave "NONE" as the model name 
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Originally Posted By DerpSouth:
Thank you BigWaylon for a helpful guide. You cost me $200 yesterday. In case things evolved over the years, can someone confirm the steps after receiving the eForms Application Submission Notification email? 1. For ATF, do I simply mail a hard copy of CoverLetter.pdf and two finger print cards now? Uploaded during the application online: ∙ Photograph of each RP (on Responsible Persons screen) ∙ Scanned 5320.23 for each RP, signed (on Responsible Persons screen) ∙ Scanned trust document, signed and notarized (on Electronic Documents screen) Also, I paid the tax online by credit card, and Form.pdf with the SUBMITTED watermark comes from ATF in the first place. 2. For the CLEO, I believe they get: ∙ Printed pages 4-6 of Form.pdf with the SUBMITTED watermark from ATF ∙ Printed pages 3-4 of 5320.23, responsible person questionnaire (original ink?) In this case, I'm the only RP (grantor/trustee) so no additional CLEO notifications, and I'm sending to State AG. Speaking of evolving process, for silencer model, I didn't see "N/A" so I selected "NONE" from the drop-down list. I hope they don't expect me to engrave "NONE" as the model name 
As Waylon said, I believe you are good to go |
That 16" barrel looks suspiciously like it's 15.9" long ...
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Unless I misread something, all ^that^ looks right. Not sure about N/A not being there...I used it within the last couple months. Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Unless I misread something, all ^that^ looks right. Not sure about N/A not being there...I used it within the last couple months. Originally Posted By NotanATFagent:
You didn't want to make up a model name? Although I admit a perverse desire to make several F1 silencers with the same serial but different models. 
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Originally Posted By DerpSouth:
Although I admit a perverse desire to make several F1 silencers with the same serial but different models. What I just looked up said a Manufacturer can’t duplicate a serial number. Doesn’t mention model at all in regards to serial numbers. |
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Originally Posted By SLAPPYROOTZ:
Considering doing my first Form 1... have a set of hard copy prints from 2018. Can I use them? Of course if you have the free cards and a fingerprint pad, it won’t be hard to knock out some fresh ones if they’re kicked back. Go ahead and roll a bunch but don’t put a date on them. |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
I would. There’s nothing in the regulations that say they’re expire. Of course if you have the free cards and a fingerprint pad, it won’t be hard to knock out some fresh ones if they’re kicked back. Go ahead and roll a bunch but don’t put a date on them. Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By SLAPPYROOTZ:
Considering doing my first Form 1... have a set of hard copy prints from 2018. Can I use them? Of course if you have the free cards and a fingerprint pad, it won’t be hard to knock out some fresh ones if they’re kicked back. Go ahead and roll a bunch but don’t put a date on them. ETA: I called and ATF suggested that I get new ones done. So, I am (to avoid a delay). |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
I think the only limitation there is SS won’t issue you a single shot trust to use in your own? (Not 100% clear on how they deal with that) You can still do a single shot style trust with EForms. Get a new trust, name it whatever you want, and then duplicate it and change the name as many times as you want. Or just get a trust and keep adding stuff to it. Or file as an individual. There is no “must do it this way” rule... |
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Originally Posted By limeytwo:
Just filed my individual form 1, but now I'm a little concerned, if converting (making) an SBR from commercial receiver do I need to put anything in box 4H on my application, as I left it blank, thanks for your time. What they want in that field now is the name & location you’re engraving. However, it doesn’t matter what you input in EForms, the field will be blank. I’m assuming they can see the info in the system, but I’ve never had that confirmed. |
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Originally Posted By DerpSouth:
... 2. For the CLEO, I believe they get: ∙ Printed pages 4-6 of Form.pdf with the SUBMITTED watermark from ATF ∙ Printed pages 3-4 of 5320.23, responsible person questionnaire (original ink?) In this case, I'm the only RP (grantor/trustee) so no additional CLEO notifications, and I'm sending to State AG. ... Would CLEO then notify ATF that I have sent them the papers to close the loop? What if I had failed to send them these documents? Thanks again, BigWaylon, such a service to the community! . |
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Originally Posted By beanz2:
1. So, the ATF is not sending the CLEO the info, and I must do this on my own? 2. Would CLEO then notify ATF that I have sent them the papers to close the loop? 3. What if I had failed to send them these documents? 2. Nope...they only contact them if there’s an issue (instructions to CLEO on the form) 3. Doubt they’d ever know |
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OK, just did my first eForm-1 and have a question.
When I printed out the form, block h "Additional Description" is blank. I don't remember seeing this information block when I filled out the eform. Did I mess up or is this filled in by the ATF? |
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Originally Posted By ArmyPilot12:
OK, just did my first eForm-1 and have a question. When I printed out the form, block h "Additional Description" is blank. I don't remember seeing this information block when I filled out the eform. Did I mess up or is this filled in by the ATF? |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
You were presented that item when you were doing the line item details. You may have even put something in there, but it never shows up on the form for some reason. The first one had Trust name, city, state in box H. The more recent one just says "SHORT BARRELED RIFLE." Strikes me as odd, since I'm sure not engraving that phrase anywhere on my weapon. 
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Originally Posted By Sprocket99:
Really? Admittedly, I have a really small sample size (2). Box H is populated on both of mine. Both SBRs, if that matters. The first one had Trust name, city, state in box H. The more recent one just says "SHORT BARRELED RIFLE." Strikes me as odd, since I'm sure not engraving that phrase anywhere on my weapon. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/472753/SBR_2_box_H-1113597.png 
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Thanks for the replies. I know on my previous paper filed Form 1s block h had my full name, city, and state.
I know that what has to be engraved, being the maker, on my silencer but thought it was odd it didn't show on the form. Oh well, as long as they have been approved without that block filled, I'll carry on. |
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OK, another noob eForm 1 question.
When I go on the ATF page my Form 1 is marked approved, with a finalized date of 15OCT2019, but when I view the form it still has the submitted watermark on it. How long does it take, normally, to get the email from ATF with the APPROVED form1? |
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Originally Posted By ArmyPilot12:
OK, another noob eForm 1 question. When I go on the ATF page my Form 1 is marked approved, with a finalized date of 15OCT2019, but when I view the form it still has the submitted watermark on it. How long does it take, normally, to get the email from ATF with the APPROVED form1? |
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Originally Posted By ArmyPilot12:
OK, another noob eForm 1 question. When I go on the ATF page my Form 1 is marked approved, with a finalized date of 15OCT2019, but when I view the form it still has the submitted watermark on it. How long does it take, normally, to get the email from ATF with the APPROVED form1? 
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Did you also get and email saying it was approved? There’s not a second step to update the Form 1. It all happens at once. But there’s a known issue with the watermarks as was mentioned above. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/126679/IMG_2972_JPG-763294.jpg I submitted an "ask the expert" and will wait to see what they say before I start drilling. ETA This morning, 22OCT19, I got an email with a copy of the approved Form 1. |
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To confirm:
I -do- have to submit a schedule of property for the filing? Reason I'm asking is that my trust instructions (SCTexas did mine) indicate to NOT send the schedule. But it looks like I now have to in order to use the eFile. |
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Originally Posted By m24shooter:
To confirm: I -do- have to submit a schedule of property for the filing? Reason I'm asking is that my trust instructions (SCTexas did mine) indicate to NOT send the schedule. But it looks like I now have to in order to use the eFile. When I eFile, I include the scanned Assignment document. That's proof that the gun in question is actually owned by the Trust. ATF has no need to know what else it owns. They already know about the Title II goodies. The rest is none of their damn business. |
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Without doubt, the eFile system is the absolute worst electronic information exchange I have ever worked with. Multiple data losses, boots, and lost info. Trying to get this Form 1 completed is a giant PITA.
I haven't seen something this screwed up since I was trying to register for classes via a phone system in the 90s. And even that worked better. |
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| Trying to upload the .23 and the passport pic, and it will not accept either. They are both of the correct file type and well within the size limits. I upload them, it shows successful, and then I have file size 0 on the electronic document page and I can't certify. This is beyond frustrating. |
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| Had to delete the original form draft, then start over. Finally got everything accepted without getting kicked back to the .23 and pic, got the payment in. Tomorrow I'm off to ship the print cards and CLEO notification off. |
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Visual Guide: How to Fill out a Form 1 using EForms (Page 3 of 6)
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