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Posted: 6/3/2016 3:03:31 PM EDT
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Does the Tax exempt transfer from an estate include a son in law or is just immediate family members like a son or daughter?
Thank You for your Assistance with this question! Dane |
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Does the Tax exempt transfer from an estate include a son in law or is just immediate family members like a son or daughter? Thank You for your Assistance with this question! Dane ATF Form 5. It can be to any "Lawful heir". If your will, for example, states that your firearms or NFA firearms should go to your son-in-law, he would be a lawful heir and therefore it could transferred to him on a Form 5 tax-free. The Form 5 says nothing about "immediate family member", it says "Firearm is being transferred to a Lawful Heir or by Operation of Law". I'm no lawyer, so I don't know whether son-in-law would be a "Lawful Heir" if he wasn't designated as such in a will. Without a will, your lawful heirs would likely be 1) spouse (if applicable) and then 2) children (if applicable) and then 3) brothers/sisters. I doubt a son-in-law would fall under "Lawful Heir" without a will stating such. |
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Two ways to go on this:
1. With a will, it can be anyone named in the will as inheriting the item. The item does not have to be mentioned specifically, but can pass under the residuary clause. 2. Without a will, whoever is specified by state law as inheriting. That's normally the surviving spouse and/or children. (or other next of kin). |
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9.5.3 Distribution of estate firearms. A decedent’s registered NFA firearms may be conveyed tax- exempt to lawful heirs. These distributions are not treated as voluntary “transfers” under the NFA. Rather, they are considered to be involuntary “transfers by operation of law.” Under this concept, ATF will honor State court decisions relative to the ownership and right to possess NFA firearms. So, when State courts authorize the distribution of estate firearms to decedents’ lawful heirs, ATF will approve the distribution and registration to the heirs if the transactions are otherwise lawful. A lawful heir is anyone named in the decedent’s will or, in the absence of a will, anyone entitled to inherit under the laws of the State in which the decedent last resided.
9.5.3.1 Distributions to heirs. Although these distributions are not treated as “transfers” for purposes of the NFA, Form 5 must be filed by an executor or administrator to register a firearm to a lawful heir and the form must be approved by ATF prior to distribution to the heir. The form should be filed as soon as possible. However, ATF will allow a reasonable time to arrange for the transfer. This generally should be done before probate is closed. When a firearm is being transferred to an individual heir, his or her fingerprints on FBI Forms FD-258 must accompany the transfer application. The application will be denied if the heir’s receipt or possession of the firearm would violate Federal, State, or local law. The law enforcement certification on the form need not be completed. The form should also be accompanied by documentation showing the executor’s or administrator’s authority to distribute the firearm as well as the heir’s entitlement to the firearm. Distributions to heirs should not be made until Forms 5 are approved. Executors and administrators are not required to have estate firearms registered to them prior to distribution to lawful heirs. |
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Just for my education, as I've never had to deal with a Form 5...two questions:
1. Is it a one-time transfer? Or a never-ending chain of going down the line heir-to-heir? (As in if I received one on an F5, do I get to also pass it along on an F5?) 2. The executor/administrator is allowed to be in possession without any NFA paperwork in their name? Simply the F1/F4 from registered owner and whatever doc that shows them as executor/administrator? |
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Just for my education, as I've never had to deal with a Form 5...two questions: 1. Is it a one-time transfer? Or a never-ending chain of going down the line heir-to-heir? (As in if I received one on an F5, do I get to also pass it along on an F5?) 2. The executor/administrator is allowed to be in possession without any NFA paperwork in their name? Simply the F1/F4 from registered owner and whatever doc that shows them as executor/administrator? 1) one time and 2) yes |
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Just for my education, as I've never had to deal with a Form 5...two questions: 1. Is it a one-time transfer? Or a never-ending chain of going down the line heir-to-heir? (As in if I received one on an F5, do I get to also pass it along on an F5?) 2. The executor/administrator is allowed to be in possession without any NFA paperwork in their name? Simply the F1/F4 from registered owner and whatever doc that shows them as executor/administrator? 1) one time and 2) yes So for clarification; I inherit a firearm on a form 5, I put that firearm in my will, I pass away, it does not pass to my heir on a form 5? Thanks. |
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So for clarification; I inherit a firearm on a form 5, I put that firearm in my will, I pass away, it does not pass to my heir on a form 5? Thanks. Quoted:
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Just for my education, as I've never had to deal with a Form 5...two questions: 1. Is it a one-time transfer? Or a never-ending chain of going down the line heir-to-heir? (As in if I received one on an F5, do I get to also pass it along on an F5?) 2. The executor/administrator is allowed to be in possession without any NFA paperwork in their name? Simply the F1/F4 from registered owner and whatever doc that shows them as executor/administrator? 1) one time and 2) yes So for clarification; I inherit a firearm on a form 5, I put that firearm in my will, I pass away, it does not pass to my heir on a form 5? Thanks. Not sure exactly what you are asking. It CAN pass your heir on a Form 5. But it is not automatic. Once you inherit a firearm and it is properly transferred to you on an approved Form 5, it is now legally registered to you with the ATF. If you then pass away, the executor/administrator of your will have to file a another Form 5 to transfer the firearm to YOUR legal heir. It does not pass automatically, e.g., on the Form 5 that transferred it to you in the first place. |
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Not sure exactly what you are asking. It CAN pass your heir on a Form 5. But it is not automatic. Once you inherit a firearm and it is properly transferred to you on an approved Form 5, it is now legally registered to you with the ATF. If you then pass away, the executor/administrator of your will have to file a another Form 5 to transfer the firearm to YOUR legal heir. It does not pass automatically, e.g., on the Form 5 that transferred it to you in the first place. Quoted:
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Just for my education, as I've never had to deal with a Form 5...two questions: 1. Is it a one-time transfer? Or a never-ending chain of going down the line heir-to-heir? (As in if I received one on an F5, do I get to also pass it along on an F5?) 2. The executor/administrator is allowed to be in possession without any NFA paperwork in their name? Simply the F1/F4 from registered owner and whatever doc that shows them as executor/administrator? 1) one time and 2) yes So for clarification; I inherit a firearm on a form 5, I put that firearm in my will, I pass away, it does not pass to my heir on a form 5? Thanks. Not sure exactly what you are asking. It CAN pass your heir on a Form 5. But it is not automatic. Once you inherit a firearm and it is properly transferred to you on an approved Form 5, it is now legally registered to you with the ATF. If you then pass away, the executor/administrator of your will have to file a another Form 5 to transfer the firearm to YOUR legal heir. It does not pass automatically, e.g., on the Form 5 that transferred it to you in the first place. Got it, that's the way I thought it worked. I read RenegadeX's answer, & it did not compute. However after re-reading it, it is how I thought. |
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Got it, that's the way I thought it worked. I read RenegadeX's answer, & it did not compute. However after re-reading it, it is how I thought. Not sure if it was my question or his answer that was confusing. I sent him a PM and he answered it more along the lines of the answer above. Once it transfers via F5, it becomes that heir's firearm...and can then transfer on another F5 when that person dies. |
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