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Posted: 4/9/2008 11:11:57 AM EDT
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What's the deal with this M1A builder? I am reading/hearing quite a few bad deals with him the last few months and it appears that more are surfacing. His reputation used to be one of a top notch armorer but it seems to be less than desirable from what I am hearing (do your own research, I will not disclose) I am thinking of getting some work done and he was one I had heard alot of and this causes me hesitation. |
I was actually waiting for that exact reply but the things I am hearing are much deeper than that and relate to his workmanship and customer service not just his attitude/personality. I wish more of the forums were as intolerant to some of the childish antics as they are (we both know what site I mean H2O) Tell me in a IM what the issue was since you are in the know as the site will not publicize it. BTW.....I haven't read any "attacks" on that site but I have read some "feedback" which is what public feedback forums are for........site member/banned member or non member. |
That's all well. You and I have dealt a few times with very satisfied results also but if suddenly I was reading and hearing stuff on you I would have to step back and check it out before we did anymore. One circumstance wouldn't bother me but lately there has been more than a handful and not just on that site. I can understand your loyalties if you 2 have built something and I can understand your distaste of the other site, I know you're no longer there, just looking for GOOD info for myself and buddies that can only go by what we read and hear. I am sure there is "another side" to the stories, maybe he should defend himself where he can. |
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For the record, it has been posted as well as said that anyone who has been banned from the site can e-mail a response to me and I will post it in it's entirety, as long as it is written to conform to our board ROEs and COC. I/We have no vendetta against warbird, however, we also need to allow anyone that has had a bad experience with him or any other person to post it in the feedback forum as that is what it is for. We have had an ongoing policy that no-one that is banned from our forum will benefit from it in any way. This is not limited to him as others have suffered the consequences of their actions. I will say this however and it's not meant to cause any controversy. I have no doubts that warbird is capable of some outstanding work on M-14 type rifles, however, to coin a phraze, there is "the human factor". Warbird is a human and is also capable of making mistakes just like anyone else. When people judge our forum, they do not have all of the information. There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes that factors in on any decision that we make. |
That's ok.........I love it there. They have rules like anyone else and when not followed you get a boot in the ass.......none of the rules are hidden or confusing. Continue to not follow the rules and the consequences are more severe..hmmm, I don't see the problem. This site is good but there are far too many children and deadbeats here. Overall though both have plenty to enjoy and learn from. Let's get back to topic..............Warbird experiences. |
That's not totally true... the interpretation of their rules is open ended and the moderators sometimes take full advantage of this for their own benefit. The mods are human and they do make mistakes, but their is no consistent or reliable over site on that forum. I can't defend their actions in any way, shape or form. Perhaps we should re-title this subject " M14Forum Problems? " |
Warbird has done work for me before (reweld an oprod tab), and I have met with him personally and seen more of his work (T-26 M14 Mag-Fed Tanker Garand). His work is excellent and his knowledge is extensive. I do not hesitate to recommend him. I do recommend that you speak with him before you buy his services and let him know what you want to do and what concerns you. Make your decision accordingly. |
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it but I don't see the site that way normally. Yes, everyone is human. The mods "taking advantage sometimes" is not out of character for any site.....it happens and I believe it gets identified, sometimes. I asked once to please keep this on topic........this is not a "M-14forum" problems thread.............If you want that, post your own thread but in my thread, swallow that bitter pill, keep quite about it and keep the posts on topic please. |
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The only "problem" I have seen with Tim is not really a problem except to a few. He would much rather spend his time working on peoples firearms than talking to them constantly . If there are complications he gets in touch with you and things get worked out. If there is not then he contacts you to tell you your project is done. I do not have any isssues with that. He put together a .308 Garand for me that started as one of the CMP $295 Greek rack grades. The work was excellent, the park is beautiful and the trigger job is perfect. I never hesitate to recommend him for work. |
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I have trigger job at WCG right now. I don't expect any trouble. I must admit to not knowing what went on over at Hawks place involving Tim. I have not been hanging out there as much as I used to. The Ritalin crowd that has moved in does get a bit much. If you can get past the guys who wont read the stickys and FAQ's you can certainly find something to enjoy. JR |
LOL !! It's an open forum, and the topic is evolving. BTW, there is no "bitter pill" to be swallowed ~ I am a happy camper without M14Forum  As with any business, WarBird has his own ROEs and COC for clients. If the client chooses not to follow these he is gambling with the results. |
Well whatever you want to do.......speak away but I am looking for info on WarBird and that's all. I asked twice, why can't you just leave it? |
Thank you.....that's what has been "evolving" and what I have asked to stop. Hopefully it can lie where it is. |
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Personally, I couldn't care if the guy is a total jackass or whatever. He builds an awesome rifle as is known nationwide for doing so. I know a lot of people that do excellent work and are complete a'holes, my mechanic is one of them... but would I go anywhere else? Never. The guy who installed our tile is the same way. Also a buddy I have who builds furnature. Hmmm, maybe it's a trend, or a sign. I dunno. Fer'insance A'holes build great stuff! And with a name like warbird you can't go wrong. Personally, I'm partial to P51D mustangs
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I've been reluctant to take sides in this because all involved over there are good friends and acquaintances. Having said that I know first hand hand what caused part of the mess over there in the Slop Shute feedback section and it was mostly the customers fault. The guy just can't follow instructions and Tim is a stickler for continuity. If you are doing a build and someone sends you a parts kit to build and the OpRod Guide is missing or something else is missing he has to stop work on that project till it gets resolved, it creates problems. Lots of folks want builds he can only store so many rifles at one time. I'm not at liberty to discuss the details but I can say that both party's have engaged in the back and forth and options were offered and refused, there is always more to every story. Tim is by far the best in class, his turn around time can't be beat, his prices can't be beat, and his workmanship is some on the best there is. Call Fulton and see how long it takes to get a POLY bolt conversion, let alone a NM with a complete refinish. I've seen Tim do some amazing things with M1's, M14's, Mausers, 1911's, AR's and the list goes on. He can't do a build for everyone, but for me he's the only one I trust to be working on my stuff. You however should base your build on what you need and want. There are many others that may be nearer to you for instance and shipping in and out of places like Cali can be problematic, so call the ones you want to try and ask pertinent questions and compare the answers you get about the costs and time frame etc. Have fun and be careful out there. |
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I am not on a mission to discredit anyone here. I am searching for info both good and bad. Thank you for yours. Tim may be a "stickler" but he himself claims the "human factor" on his site and he should be educated enough for being in the biz so long that these things will happen and communication is paramount. From what I understand, there was not 1 instance that created the turmoil. |
www.warbirdscustomguns.com/
Okay, I don't get it. Warbird is one of the big names in the industry. Somebody in the know hook a brotha up. ETA: Okay, I found it but I'm still in the dark about what's going on.
That's not cool.  Details, please. |
Ben, You are most correct that there is always more to the story. However, I as you do, only have one side. I'm sure that You know warbird's version as I know ZOG's version. However to take sides based on one side I don't think does anyone any justice. I have not taken sides in this because I do not know both sides. Maybe you could convince warbird to send me an e-mail with his version and as stated before, I will post it in it's entirety as long as it is written in a factual, cordial way in accord with the ROEs and COC. He can send one to you also for verification that the whole thing was posted. I have always considered you as a good friend and still do. Under the circumstances, it might be in everyone's best interest if warbird would share his version of events and let the public decide for themselves. Take care, Hawk |
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LOL Hawk, that's just one reason I never wish to go back to your forum - never. You ban a guy and the trash talk begins on your forum ~ the banned guy can't defend himself. The trash talk then spreads onto other forums - not cool. You offer the banned one a private email defense that you will post as long as it is written in a factual, cordial way in accord with the ROEs and COC. What a bunch of crap!! It might be in everyone's best interest on your forum to look for problems rooted within your ranks. Maybe you should instruct your members not to post this kind of crap on other forums and deal with issues in house. Add it to your ROEs and COC. |
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H20 Man, I'm glad that you finally decided that you didn't want to ever come back on my forum after numerous requests to be reinstated. The last just recently through a intermediary. I will not entertain the idea of getting into a pi$$ing match with a disgruntled banned member. |
I am a happy ex-member of your forum I told you long ago that I had no intentions of rejoining your forum and I'm not disgruntled in any way. You continue to reaffirm my decision was the correct one. |
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