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I just so happened to be driving passed a harbor freight yesterday remembering this thread. Pick me up a double tumbler! Bring on the bling! |
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Originally Posted By heaman:
I got suckered in with this price and that coupon. 
I had to remove the clear tubing and ended up replacing it with a similar thickness of gorilla tape. Just got back with mine, haven't even opened the box yet I also went to a second harbor freight 10 minutes away so I could use another 25% off coupon for the 25lb fine walnut media... 19.22 with tax. can't beat that price :) |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Have a buddy that has a 5.7. Did a bunch of experimenting with tumble times. In a Thumblers high speed tumbler, 2 hours is ideal. Brass gets cleaned and the coating remains intact. Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Originally Posted By LuxorDeathbed:
I reload the 5.7x28 and can't use media and stuff. Just 10% simple green and water. Well, after acquiring 2000 pieces of brass, this thread inspired me to get this device to tumble my brass. Started the first batch and waiting for results. Also contemplating if there is an alternate SS pin media on the cheap. Cut wire, bristle brush stuff, something... In a Thumblers high speed tumbler, 2 hours is ideal. Brass gets cleaned and the coating remains intact. I just followed my 15 minutes of handshaking rule. 15 mins in HF tumbler and cleaner than I have ever seen. Simple green is easily used for my purposes. |
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Thanks for this write-up. I have a Thumbler Tumbler on Order, but I also already have one of these Harbor Freight units and a couple pounds of media and Lemi-Shine, so I will be trying this out until my other kit comes. I am sick of the dust from the corn cob. |
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I picked up one of the single drum tumblers the other day...but i'm not getting shiny brass whatsoever.
I'm using 1 pound of pins, and i've tried different ratio's of lemi-shine and soap but they still end up drying to a dark bronze color...they're super clean inside and out but I would like some shiney brass. Any suggestions? |
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This thread is for Harbor freight tumblers. Please stop with the home builds in this thread. There are separate threads for build it yourself, http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/344986_How_i_built_my_own_rotary_tumbler.html And one presently on page 1 or 2. For Thumbler tumbler posts, they go in this thread, http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/344832_Wet_tumbling_with_SS_media__lots_of_pics__New_info_second_post_1_18_2012_.html So please stay on topic in the various wet tumbling threads. (I know some of you guys are new and didn't know. That's why I posted the links.) Thanks
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Originally Posted By heirmossy:
I just opened the drum after a few hours. My brass seems to have a gray film on it. If I wipe it with a paper towel, the film comes off. What am I doing wrong here? One thing I wanted to ask is how many do you guys tumble at a time? I may have put too much brass in there. Here is my recipe: per barrel 50 cases 223 1 lb of stainless pins 2 second squirt of regular dawn blue 1/2 to 3/4 9mm case of lemishine, never any more than that Hot water that just covers the brass. Tumble for six hours. I do one tumble at night and one when I am at work. I use a cheap lamp timer When I get home I take the barrels to the utility sink. I have large over sized plastic coffee cans. I dump one barrel into the coffee can. I fill up with water, dump out most of black water making sure not to dump pins or brass. Repeat four times. Fill back up with water. Grab brass under water and shake pins out under water. Transfer to bowl. Empty water and dump pins back in barrel. Take brass and put in towel and dry like a bowling ball. Lay brass out to dry over night. I get really shiny brass with perfectly clean primer pockets. Almost indistinguishable from brand new brass. Been doing this all week. Up to 1000 cases now. |
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Finished up my first 6 batches of 308, 223, and 9mm. I used the OP's recipe and 2 hours of tumbling, came out looking like new brass and primer pockets were cleaned spotless.
$37.50 for the HF tumbler, $40 for 5 lbs of SS media from Bullseye. Damn, this is definitely wet tumbling on the cheap :) I might have to go buy a second tumbler and a HF food dehydrator - on sale for about $18 bucks right now (with the 25% coupon) |
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First batch of 223 just went in. Noharmnofal was kind enough to loan me some media to try out. I dug out the skankiest black nasty range brass I could come up with. I'll update in ~4 hours with results.
ETA This brass is CLEAN! A sample group in the vibratory tumbler with new walnut and polish for 9+ hours is just shiny black. It is a hassle though. I need to scale this up for the way I reload. |
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I just completed my first batch with my 7 year old Harbor Freight mini tumbler. The results were so good I decided to cancel my order for the Thumbler Tumbler. Sure I can only process 150 .223/5.56mm cases every four hours, but I really don't feel like decapping more than that at one time anyway. Thanks again for this great post. I wish I knew about this sooner. I've only ever used the tumbler for making gunpowder. After and before. It even doubled the number of pieces of brass. This tumbler is amazing.   |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
This thread is for Harbor freight tumblers. Please stop with the home builds in this thread. There are separate threads for build it yourself, http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/344986_How_i_built_my_own_rotary_tumbler.html And one presently on page 1 or 2. For Thumbler tumbler posts, they go in this thread, http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/344832_Wet_tumbling_with_SS_media__lots_of_pics__New_info_second_post_1_18_2012_.html So please stay on topic in the various wet tumbling threads. (I know some of you guys are new and didn't know. That's why I posted the links.) Thanks Sorry, I bumped the other one talking about these. I didn't realize they were split up that way. My apologies. |
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I guess I'm in this now.
RCBS dry tumbler went tits up earlier today. I ordered the double drum tumbler from Harbor Freight to take advantage of the 25% off, so I've got that (and a pack of extra belts) on the way for $50, 2lbs of media from stainless tumbling media.com, and a universal decapping die (and an extra pin for that) on the way from Brownells. Merry Christmas to me. 
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Originally Posted By MrZeat:
I posted this in the other thread, seems I missed this one, but I'll repost it since it seems more relevant here.... And I've ran about 20 loads through it in the last week. http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/383/6j7m.jpg http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3366/20kc.jpg http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7237/zjeu.jpg http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4905/1sbe.jpg Originally Posted By MrZeat:
I posted this in the other thread, seems I missed this one, but I'll repost it since it seems more relevant here.... And I've ran about 20 loads through it in the last week. Originally Posted By MrZeat:
This thread really got me motivated, but I just couldn't justify building a big one like BIGDAWG does (which are awesome btw, the two drum setup on his website looks kickass!).... I just don't think I even have that much brass! So I figured I'd try the cheap route. Bought a Harbor Freight dual tumbler yesterday to get my brass wet, and immediately hated the dual container setup which is just tiny, so I wanted to see if I could keep the same motor/roller setup and use a better drum. And I did. Here's my recipe for a nice smallish pvc drum, add baffles if you wish, I haven't yet... 4" Sch 40 piping ~$10 http://www.lowes.com/pd_23839-1814-PVC+04400++1000_0__?productId=3133051 4" knock out plug ~$1 http://www.lowes.com/pd_23408-1814-PVC+00131++1200_4294935907__?productId=3339786 4" removable gripper plug. ~$6. I bought it at lowes so I know they have them, but google can't find it so here's the home depot link. http://www.homedepot.com/p/Oatey-4-in-Mechanical-Plastic-Test-Plug-33403/100204964 Not too bad imho $17 with plenty of PVC to do another one. I did replace the wing nut with a standard nut on the plug due to the fact that it would hit the side of the tumbler and not be able to spin, I had one in my toolbox, no idea the thread size. Took it home and cut it up, added ~4 lbs of ss media, filled it full of brass, water, added dawn and lemishine. Total weight of the full drum was ~14.5 lbs. The original containers with a lb of ss pins in each and filled with brass were only about 7lbs combined. We'll see if the thing lasts, but if the motor burns up, I won't be too upset. With the 20% off coupon the tumbler was only $40+tax. After several hours of running the motor is just warm. http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/383/6j7m.jpg http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3366/20kc.jpg http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7237/zjeu.jpg http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4905/1sbe.jpg Glad to see someone tried this... how much does the drum weigh empty? |
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I'm running almost entirely pistol cases and I notice that my primer pockets aren't spotless either. It really doesn't bother me though... every time I dump the water out and see how dirty it is I know it's MUCH cleaner than it would otherwise be.
I'm going through my dry tumbled brass and recleaning them now... the water is nearly as dirty with them as it was with the brass picked up off the ground. |
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I bought that tumbler yesterday at HF. Paid $43 for it with the online coupon for 20% off. Stainless Tumbling Media sells a 2 lb refresher kit of stainless steel media. Ordered it this morning and it shipped this evening. $19.95 for the media, and $8.22 for shipping USPS Priority. Here's the link.
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After finding an easy way to heat the cases... with this wire basket on a convenient ledge on my fireplace...
My friend NoHarmNoFAL told me that he doesn't deprime pistol cases. At this point, I'm not convinced there is a reason to decap prior to wet tumbling, if you're using some sort of heat source after you're finished, AND don't mind that your primer pockets won't be cleaned. I'm using an old strainer set that my wife no longer used to seperate the pins and media, as well as rinse with hot water, dump them on a towel, use a "bowling ball" technique to dry them with the towel, then dumped them in the basket and put them over the heat. Although I was doing other things during the time, I shook them a few times and I believe they were fully dry after 20 or 30 minutes, inside and out. After about an hour I dumped them on a towel and inspected each case and saw no signs of moisture inside. |
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 This is why you remove the primers before wet tumbling. End of primer breaks off leaving the sides of primer in the flashole. Chemical reaction between burnt primer residue and Lemishine does something to make the primer cup weak. Don't let the cases sit awhile before deprimming them.
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Originally Posted By The_Meridian:
I'm using the OP's setup with each drum containing 1 lb of SS media, Dawn, LemiShine, 1 pint of water, and anywhere from 50-85 300BLK cases (think .223 chopped off at the shoulder). I've tumbled batches for 2, 4, and 6 hrs, and alternated with cold/hot water. Still, some of the primer pockets aren't completely clean. There's usually some level of primer crud still stuck in the corners of probably two-thirds of the cases in each drum. My first thought was that the pins aren't getting circulated into the pockets well enough, but that's an agitation problem and I'm not sure how to address that. Is anyone else having this problem? Other than the primer pockets, everything's coming out full bling. I had the same issue, so I reduced the amount of brass is each drum. For .45 I put in 60, same for .223, and for 9mm I tried 75, although I could put more in, I just havent tried. |
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Originally Posted By swanny0331: I had the same issue, so I reduced the amount of brass is each drum. For .45 I put in 60, same for .223, and for 9mm I tried 75, although I could put more in, I just havent tried. And did it help? It would be interesting to know if the smaller load helps. I am going to have to try it later today. I would imagine the large primer pockets would be cleaner than the small ones. Do you notice a difference between the .45 and .223 primer pockets? I had read somewhere (maybe in this thread) the larger .047" diameter stainless steel media did not clean primer pockets as well as the smaller media. I use these larger ones and the primer pockets are not spotless, but they are clean. I use a primer pocket uniformer anyhow, so this makes them spotless and shiny. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
<a href="http://s250.photobucket.com/user/dryflash3/media/Cases/P3020535_zps7e8cccbb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg272/dryflash3/Cases/P3020535_zps7e8cccbb.jpg</a> This is why you remove the primers before wet tumbling. End of primer breaks off leaving the sides of primer in the flashole. Chemical reaction between burnt primer residue and Lemishine does something to make the primer cup weak. Don't let the cases sit awhile before deprimming them. Interesting... I suppose I'll decap a batch when I get time. |
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It helped with 9MM. I had 75 cases in each drum and 99% were spotless compared to at best 50% spotless with 120 cases in each drum. I didn't have as much of a problem with .45 being the primer pockets are large. I figure if it works on 9MM, it'll work with the rest. The large stainless media may have something to do with the issues you are having too. I use the smaller ones. It's interesting that in every other type of tumbler, be it a Thumblers or a home built, the media out weighs the brass.
Originally Posted By ArJunaBug:
And did it help? It would be interesting to know if the smaller load helps. I am going to have to try it later today. I would imagine the large primer pockets would be cleaner than the small ones. Do you notice a difference between the .45 and .223 primer pockets? I had read somewhere (maybe in this thread) the larger .047" diameter stainless steel media did not clean primer pockets as well as the smaller media. I use these larger ones and the primer pockets are not spotless, but they are clean. I use a primer pocket uniformer anyhow, so this makes them spotless and shiny. Originally Posted By ArJunaBug:
Originally Posted By swanny0331:
I had the same issue, so I reduced the amount of brass is each drum. For .45 I put in 60, same for .223, and for 9mm I tried 75, although I could put more in, I just havent tried. And did it help? It would be interesting to know if the smaller load helps. I am going to have to try it later today. I would imagine the large primer pockets would be cleaner than the small ones. Do you notice a difference between the .45 and .223 primer pockets? I had read somewhere (maybe in this thread) the larger .047" diameter stainless steel media did not clean primer pockets as well as the smaller media. I use these larger ones and the primer pockets are not spotless, but they are clean. I use a primer pocket uniformer anyhow, so this makes them spotless and shiny. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
<a href="http://s250.photobucket.com/user/dryflash3/media/Cases/P3020535_zps7e8cccbb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg272/dryflash3/Cases/P3020535_zps7e8cccbb.jpg</a> This is why you remove the primers before wet tumbling. End of primer breaks off leaving the sides of primer in the flashole. Chemical reaction between burnt primer residue and Lemishine does something to make the primer cup weak. Don't let the cases sit awhile before deprimming them. Do you think this would have the same effect if the brass was heated to dry, therefore the water was not in there all that long? I punched some primers out of one of the first runs through my wet tumbler and didn't have any of them break like that. |
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Originally Posted By AJE:
Do you think this would have the same effect if the brass was heated to dry, therefore the water was not in there all that long? I punched some primers out of one of the first runs through my wet tumbler and didn't have any of them break like that. Originally Posted By AJE:
Originally Posted By dryflash3:
<a href="http://s250.photobucket.com/user/dryflash3/media/Cases/P3020535_zps7e8cccbb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg272/dryflash3/Cases/P3020535_zps7e8cccbb.jpg</a> This is why you remove the primers before wet tumbling. End of primer breaks off leaving the sides of primer in the flashole. Chemical reaction between burnt primer residue and Lemishine does something to make the primer cup weak. Don't let the cases sit awhile before deprimming them. Do you think this would have the same effect if the brass was heated to dry, therefore the water was not in there all that long? I punched some primers out of one of the first runs through my wet tumbler and didn't have any of them break like that. This is what I do, I always immediately dry in the dehydrater and I've never had any funky primer issues... I never deprime first, for plinking it makes more sense to just do it when I size in my opinion. Probably have done 4 or 5k like that now. |
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Originally Posted By AJE: Do you think this would have the same effect if the brass was heated to dry, therefore the water was not in there all that long? I punched some primers out of one of the first runs through my wet tumbler and didn't have any of them break like that. Originally Posted By AJE: Originally Posted By dryflash3: <a href="http://s250.photobucket.com/user/dryflash3/media/Cases/P3020535_zps7e8cccbb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg272/dryflash3/Cases/P3020535_zps7e8cccbb.jpg</a> This is why you remove the primers before wet tumbling. End of primer breaks off leaving the sides of primer in the flashole. Chemical reaction between burnt primer residue and Lemishine does something to make the primer cup weak. Don't let the cases sit awhile before deprimming them. Do you think this would have the same effect if the brass was heated to dry, therefore the water was not in there all that long? I punched some primers out of one of the first runs through my wet tumbler and didn't have any of them break like that. The only time I have had a broken primer cup is when I decap brass that is new to me.
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
snip The only time I have had a broken primer cup is when I decap brass that is new to me. I've had a handful over the last few years, likely from range pickups. I haven't loaded any of the rounds I've wet tumbled at this point. |
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Just ordered my setup last night. I'll be doing pretty small scale reloading for a while, so the small drum size is no big deal.
I did find SS pins for $6.90/pound from BestByte.net. If you buy 10 pounds the price goes down to $6.50/pound. |
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Originally Posted By adamtheduke: Just ordered my setup last night. I'll be doing pretty small scale reloading for a while, so the small drum size is no big deal. I did find SS pins for $6.90/pound from BestByte.net. If you buy 10 pounds the price goes down to $6.50/pound. |
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Has anyone replaced lemishine with lemon juice and salt? I got my tumbler yesterday, but I couldn't find any lemishine at the store. I googled around and it seems that lemishine is some sort of citric acid derivative and salt and lemon juice is a home made brass cleaning solution.
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Originally Posted By adamtheduke:
Just ordered my setup last night. I'll be doing pretty small scale reloading for a while, so the small drum size is no big deal. I did find SS pins for $6.90/pound from BestByte.net. If you buy 10 pounds the price goes down to $6.50/pound. How many pounds per drum? |
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The drums have a 3 pound capacity, so a pound of pins plus a pound of brass plus whatever water will fit in with that.
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Originally Posted By adamtheduke: Has anyone replaced lemishine with lemon juice and salt? I got my tumbler yesterday, but I couldn't find any lemishine at the store. I googled around and it seems that lemishine is some sort of citric acid derivative and salt and lemon juice is a home made brass cleaning solution. We'll see how they come out. |
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Yep, got mine at Walmart.
I just started using my HF tumbler. I bought it with the intention to clean my .22 can baffles (HA can is aluminum) but I plan on using it (actually using it right this second) for small amounts of brass. I plan on using it for brass that I'm going to use to load for my SPR. All my other range brass gets tossed in a vibratory tumbler with walnut. I'm hoping this will be a happy compromise. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Go to Walmart, it's near the dish washer soap. Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Originally Posted By adamtheduke:
Has anyone replaced lemishine with lemon juice and salt? I got my tumbler yesterday, but I couldn't find any lemishine at the store. I googled around and it seems that lemishine is some sort of citric acid derivative and salt and lemon juice is a home made brass cleaning solution. We'll see how they come out. Yeah, the lemon juice and salt was underwhelming. They got clean, just not bright and shiny like with the lemishine. |
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Finished my first batch of 9mm last night with the HF system. Used the same recipes mentioned here, 75 brass, lb of SS pins, water, drop of dawn. I only used a pinch, and I mean really a pinch of lemishine. Tumbled 3 hrs. Brass is soooo shiny. The primer pockets are not perfect, a few had some carbon/crud spots, but not enough to worry over. I also had about 5 cases with pins jammed in the flash holes. Amazing they can just tumble there way in there and be such a bitch to push back out.
I'm depriming beforehand with a lee simple press and universal decapping die. I'm just starting reloading, didn't even bother with dry tumbling. Very happy so far with about 8000 brass left to go. :) |
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Originally Posted By adamtheduke: Has anyone replaced lemishine with lemon juice and salt? I got my tumbler yesterday, but I couldn't find any lemishine at the store. I googled around and it seems that lemishine is some sort of citric acid derivative and salt and lemon juice is a home made brass cleaning solution. We'll see how they come out. I've just used plain lemon juice, maybe a teaspoon in each drum. Heck, I've even used just a little bit of plain citric acid left over from canning this fall. Both have worked fine with no problems. |
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I've done probably 25 batches now with the HF tumbler.
PSA: Keep the bearings lubricated. My last batch I walked in to turn it off and found the non drive roller was practically siezed up. I'd lubed the bushings after about 5 runs and hadn't since then, so perhaps 20 runs without relube. I found lots of worn plastic debris. So I cleaned as best I could using alchol to flush them and then relube. I'm using Tri-flow teflon which is a light oil. I'll have to keep a closer eye on it. Anyone replaced these plastic bushings with something better? |
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