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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Why does everyone hate Taurus? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/18/2009 2:38:54 PM EDT
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I finally got to take my Conceal Carry class this morning (my 21st bday is Monday), and afterwards I was browsing through the store's handguns. they had a little used Taurus Millenium Pro III, and when I asked to hold it, the salesman said "Oh, you don't want a Taurus, they're junk."
This isn't the first time a gun store employee has fed me that line. What gives? |
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what would you recommend for a good conceal carry? I'm planning on doing an ankle holster, since I don't want to wear a bunch of baggy clothes. My jeans are all flare-leg, I figured an ankle holster would be the best.
I'd like a 9mm, but am open to other calibers, depending on the size/brand. I just don't do much with handguns. I'm more of a rifle person. I have an XD40 sub, but it lifts enough that I'd like something a little more controllable. |
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If your looking for a REALLY compact 9mm try the Kel-tecs.
Scratch that. The Kel-Tecs I have seen seemed to work great, but the handgun forum has a low opinion of them. With the XD9 sub you shouldn't have any issues concealing it, but I am not sure how you dress or how much you want to change that. |
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Taurus made a good product when they first came out, then they got WAY popular because people knew they were good guns and cheaper than a lot of the big names. Then their production numbers got too high and the quality dropped considerably.
Some of their new stuff that they have been making for awhile now is still good. I actually picked up one of the Millenium Pro 45's with the second strike capability and have been very pleased with it. I don't carry it as a backup, because I carry my G19 since my duty-gun is a G17, and I like having the ammo/mag combo availability. But another one of the guys on my department also has the Pro in 45 and he carries it as his off-duty gun, it's hard to beat a 45 that small with that many rounds. Find yourself a range in your area who has the Taurus gun you are interested in buying for rent/or available to shoot. Barring that, post here in your hometown forum and see if anyone local to you has what you are looking at buying and check it out/shoot it before you buy. |
| Taurus can go both ways either junk or really good....one thing I will give the company, their warranty is pretty good. That said, you want a good concealable weapon? easy.......smith and wesson 340/360PD scandium 357/38.......11oz load with either speer gold dot 135+P (great round....little bit of a kick, nothing you cant handle) or the corbon 110+P DPX round(less kick...about as much as a standard 38spc and also another great round). |
| everyone hates them beacuse they want to pay low prices for high quality. They are decent entry level guns but not for serious shooters. I got a model 94 SS in .22 and it had to go back to the factory, my treatment was apparently better than what most people get beacuse it was fast and friendly. I wanted a decent tackle box pistol and got one. |
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They are not a Tier 1 firearms manufacturer and many people rake them over the coals for it. Like most things in life, you get what you pay for a lot of the time. Bingo. There's a reason why people who sell and shoot guns for a living generally can't stand Taurus. Some of them may work, some of the time, but an informed shooter only buys one with much hesitation and extenuating circumstances. |
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what would you recommend for a good conceal carry? I'm planning on doing an ankle holster, since I don't want to wear a bunch of baggy clothes. My jeans are all flare-leg, I figured an ankle holster would be the best. I'd like a 9mm, but am open to other calibers, depending on the size/brand. I just don't do much with handguns. I'm more of a rifle person. I have an XD40 sub, but it lifts enough that I'd like something a little more controllable. I doubt you'll like ankle carry much, it has several draw backs but it beats an M-60 in your trunk. Give it a try if you want but do get a upper end holster as cheap ankle holsters can be classified from marginal to torture devices in my limited experience. There may be something good and cheap out there I'm not aware of so it may be worth it's own thread. For pistols, if small, concealable, and 9mm are what you want my favorites are Kahr's PM9 and the Smith 3913. Some people will steer you toward a Glock 26 or maybe a Smith M&P9c both are great guns but they are a lot thicker than the 3913 or PM9 and I prefer thin when trying to conceal a gun. There's also the Springfield EMP which is small and thin but it's a single action so it needs to be carried safety on it may be worth a look if you like 1911's. Other calibers that fit the description are .380 and .38 special, .380's can be really small but imo not that much smaller than the Kahr PM9 to make it worth giving up the 9mm's advantages. 38 special means a Smith J-frame of which there are numerous variations to choose from. The J-frame is by far one of the most difficult guns to shoot well, if you've never shot one try and find someone who will let you shoot one before going that route. The Kahr or 3913 are much easier to shoot well. |
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XCR don't buy a Taurus - they have had serious quality issues the last few years.
If you want a small cheap 9MM get a Kel Tec P11or PF9 and make sure you verify that it functions well. As has been stated - ankle holsters are the suck unless you are real skinny and don't mind heavy shit attached to your ankle. Pocket carry is the easiest but you need a real small gun to do it. I use a Kel Tec P3AT in an Uncle Mikes pocket holster because I figure having it with me all the time is better than having my Glock with me part of the time - and I am too lazy to carry the Glock all the time. No doubt I will get bashed for saying that but it is the truth! 
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I've never had any problems with my taurus. More problems with my ruger.
I think most of the complains are from arm chair commandos who have never owned a taurus or owned one from years ago and believe nothing has changed. I have to admit I am like that, while US cars have improved, I still see them as pure junk |
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I have had 4 Taurus rimfire revolvers. Got rid of all 4 of them, quickly. Not only did they all have a bad tendency to lock up tight, they all had trigger pulls that would drive Hercules to tears of frustration. Polishing/deburring helped smooth the triggers out a lot (even though they stayed pretty heavy), and the lock-up problem lessened, but never went away entirely. Why they go through so much trouble to put such a nice finish on their guns (the blued ones are really very nice...looking), and yet pay no attention at all to the function baffles me.
Years ago, I had a model 66 that was pretty decent, but their rimfire revolvers are awful. I now have a S&W 617 that cost over twice as much as I could have gotten a Taurus for, but that's okay, since it is 5 times the gun. |
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what would you recommend for a good conceal carry? I'm planning on doing an ankle holster, since I don't want to wear a bunch of baggy clothes. My jeans are all flare-leg, I figured an ankle holster would be the best. I'd like a 9mm, but am open to other calibers, depending on the size/brand. I just don't do much with handguns. I'm more of a rifle person. I have an XD40 sub, but it lifts enough that I'd like something a little more controllable. Anything that conceals well on your ankle is going to have a good deal of muzzle flip but a G26 or G27 is going to flip less than an XD due to the lower bore axis. Also consider a Kahr P9. My other thought is that you might take advantage of being a woman and consider purse carry. You can fit a much more controllable gun in a purse than you can on your ankle. |
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Kahr CW9 is the economy version should be a tad over $400 if you can find one it's not a bad choice.
Not sure if it is in stock but here's a link: http://www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com/item.aspx?pid=44912 Nothing wrong with revolvers they do have several advantages but most people find them more difficult to shoot well than something like the Kahr and if you don't like the recoil of the XD you probably won't like a small revolver with a decent .38 special load. |
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Ah, see, I also looked at a Kahr P9, too. It had a very nice feel, but I have a small budget  .. they wanted $670 for it, and I'm looking for something around $400.
What about revolvers? are there drawbacks to carrying one? For the kind of carrying you're thinking of, the j-frame S&W revolver seems to be the best choice. The drawbacks, however, are the 5 shot capacity (which is followed by slow reloads), the snappy recoil, and the fact that they are difficult to shoot well. They have small sights and a heavy double-action trigger pull. But, with practice, and the understanding that it is not a combat handgun like your XD, you can become proficient with one. Look at the 442 or 642 models. They are the "airweight" models, in black or silver finish, respectively, hammerless (the only way to go IMO for a gun of that style*), and should cost between $400 and $500 new, maybe a bit less. They will handle potent .38 Special +P ammunition without trouble and thier reliability is unquestioned. * –– hammerless because a) it's not a target gun and you won't be cocking the hammer in a gunfight; b) it won't get snagged on anything as you're trying to draw it; and c) you can actually fire it from inside a pocket or purse without fear that something will fall into/tangle the hammer. |
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I've never had any problems with my taurus. More problems with my ruger. I think most of the complains are from arm chair commandos who have never owned a taurus or owned one from years ago and believe nothing has changed. I have to admit I am like that, while US cars have improved, I still see them as pure junk Most of the complaints are from people like me who've actually sold and handled a tremendous number of Tauruses, and seen the failures first-hand. When you can write whole GD threads on problems you've seen with Taurus firearms, and yet can barely think of handful of problems with S&W, H&K, Glock, and Springfield, then there's a real statistical difference in quality. |
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I've never had any problems with my taurus. More problems with my ruger. I think most of the complains are from arm chair commandos who have never owned a taurus or owned one from years ago and believe nothing has changed. I have to admit I am like that, while US cars have improved, I still see them as pure junk Most of the complaints are from people like me who've actually sold and handled a tremendous number of Tauruses, and seen the failures first-hand. When you can write whole GD threads on problems you've seen with Taurus firearms, and yet can barely think of handful of problems with S&W, H&K, Glock, and Springfield, then there's a real statistical difference in quality. Huge +1 from me. Some of us do work in the gun industry. |
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I've never had any problems with my taurus. More problems with my ruger. I think most of the complains are from arm chair commandos who have never owned a taurus or owned one from years ago and believe nothing has changed. I have to admit I am like that, while US cars have improved, I still see them as pure junk Most of the complaints are from people like me who've actually sold and handled a tremendous number of Tauruses, and seen the failures first-hand. When you can write whole GD threads on problems you've seen with Taurus firearms, and yet can barely think of handful of problems with S&W, H&K, Glock, and Springfield, then there's a real statistical difference in quality. Huge +1 from me. Some of us do work in the gun industry. +2 here.
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| Alot of people down play the whole 9mm family such as 9mm Mak and .380. However, I do not feel uncomfortable carrying one if I'm just going down to the stop and rob for a pack of smokes. You can get a PA-63 for a ridiculously low sum. 150 brand new from CDNN. A 5 minute trigger job takes that trigger pull down considerably and for only about 15 bucks, if that. I have one and love it. Only problem is finding mags that aren't 25$ ea and ammo that expands well. Silver Bear makes some and it passes the minimum 12 inch pentration test. I just thought I would give that an honorable mention..Oh, they're slim...built kinda like a Walther PPK and also have a decock lever. |
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If your looking for a REALLY compact 9mm try the Kel-tecs. Scratch that. The Kel-Tecs I have seen seemed to work great, but the handgun forum has a low opinion of them. With the XD9 sub you shouldn't have any issues concealing it, but I am not sure how you dress or how much you want to change that. I love my Kel-Tec PF9. You just have to keep it clean and lubed up after shooting it. If you do, you can put 100-150 or so rounds through it really quick with no hiccups, but after that, it starts to have feeding/ejecting issues, and begs to be cleaned again. But it's not like you're ever going to get into a firefight with 100 rounds using a PF9. When going to the range, and shooting a box of 50 rounds through it (which i've done many many times), it has been 100% reliable. As a CCW, it's great. Perfect size. |
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I have owned a PT92, a PT99 and a model 85 revolver. All were early models (over 15 years ago) All three were flawless! I have read horror stories here and there and its got them a bad rap. They DO have a lifetime warranty, so if a friend wanted one, I would tell them to go for it. Personally I wouldn't get one for myself anymore just b/c I have become a gun snob.
What I find funny is how some gun makers can have horrible customer service and quality control and still maintain a good or lets at least say average rep. I bought a Mossberg 930SPX and of course it had the infamous canted front sight. This was in November of last year. I called day in and day out without actually being able to get a hold of a person. Only voice mail. I left countless messages without a return call, multiple e-mails without a response and even went so far as to mail a letter to an executive spelling out my problem and still nothing. I had Dick's Sporting Goods send it back on my behalf and that was months ago, still no signs of light at the end of the tunnel. There is a insane amount of similar situations in the Shotgun forum here as well. Still,. Mossberg doesn't have the stigma that Taurus or even Keltec has |
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what would you recommend for a good conceal carry? I'm planning on doing an ankle holster, since I don't want to wear a bunch of baggy clothes. My jeans are all flare-leg, I figured an ankle holster would be the best. I'd like a 9mm, but am open to other calibers, depending on the size/brand. I just don't do much with handguns. I'm more of a rifle person. I have an XD40 sub, but it lifts enough that I'd like something a little more controllable. You might look at the XD9 Sub, then. .40 can be a handful in a smaller framed weapon. It a familiar platform and the one my GF has is perfectly controllable and accurate, if she does her part. (Shoots just fine, for me) I think you'd be pleasantly surprised by the difference. I carry a Kel-Tek P11 in the role you're describing and it has proven itself to be reliable and accurate "enough" for defensive ranges. The trigger is VERY heavy, though, and you'll put some rounds through it before you get used to it. Even if you do get used to it, the XD will always have a better trigger. I think the XD is the better choice, if you're willing to dress around concealing it. I carry the P11 because it is VERY easy to conceal in a IWB holster. |
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stick with the revolver....a great round is going to be the corbon 38 +P DPX round......nasty round and kicks about as much as a regular 38 round....maybe a tad bit more but you will handle it fine. Stick with the hammer also, shooting double action only is going to take practice....its nice to have the ability of single or double.....single is going to give you some very very tight accurate shots, and I know you shoot alot so you will appreciate that. Dont worry about the hammer getting snagged.......what did we all do before hamerless revolvers came out.....we practice, its VERY easy to draw my revolver from my pocket and NEVER snag the hammer....its called putting thumb on hammer, or what ever method you want to use. Capacity? 5 shots? more than enough.....is it a 20 round glock? nope but your also not going to carry that in your pocket. Its a bug gun 5 rounds is fine.....keep a bianchi speed strip with 5 extra rounds on you.......and keep practicing.
extremely reliable concealed guns, recommend highly |
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what would you recommend for a good conceal carry? I'm planning on doing an ankle holster, since I don't want to wear a bunch of baggy clothes. My jeans are all flare-leg, I figured an ankle holster would be the best. I'd like a 9mm, but am open to other calibers, depending on the size/brand. I just don't do much with handguns. I'm more of a rifle person. I have an XD40 sub, but it lifts enough that I'd like something a little more controllable. Terra....rent a Glock 19C (compensated 9mm version)....it should reduce the muzzle flip dramatically, give good capacity (15+1), still be small enough to conceal but large enough to get all your fingers on the grip, reliable as your XCR, and reasonably priced (as low as $389+$35 to Glock Shooting Sports Foundation if you get the regular non-compensated 19, not sure on the 19C). My wife just switched from an XD40 to a Glock 23C (also 40 cal) due to the reduced muzzle flip and much improved trigger (it's a glock drop in 3.5 # connector). I wouldn't recommend the ankle carry as anything but back up.....maybe a good purse with a concealed holster?? I personally don't care for Walther....but the PPS is supposedly very thin, concealable and a good fit for many people. Might look at renting one. HTH, Sean |
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Own three: PT 1911, 96, and PT 22. All of mine work great, no complaints at all.
They are a bit rougher than Smith, SIG, etc, but they're a fraction of the cost. You get what you pay for. I've never had to use their CS so can't comment on that. And I also own most of the other stuff out there. I won't say Taurus is my first choice when gun shopping, but if they had something I wanted I would buy again. As with all purchases, examine closely before you buy. I'm convinced 90% of gun problems were apparent at the shop, if you just know what to look for. |
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what would you recommend for a good conceal carry? I'm planning on doing an ankle holster, since I don't want to wear a bunch of baggy clothes. My jeans are all flare-leg, I figured an ankle holster would be the best. I'd like a 9mm, but am open to other calibers, depending on the size/brand. I just don't do much with handguns. I'm more of a rifle person. I have an XD40 sub, but it lifts enough that I'd like something a little more controllable. Terra....rent a Glock 19C (compensated 9mm version)....it should reduce the muzzle flip dramatically, give good capacity (15+1), still be small enough to conceal but large enough to get all your fingers on the grip, reliable as your XCR, and reasonably priced (as low as $389+$35 to Glock Shooting Sports Foundation if you get the regular non-compensated 19, not sure on the 19C). My wife just switched from an XD40 to a Glock 23C (also 40 cal) due to the reduced muzzle flip and much improved trigger (it's a glock drop in 3.5 # connector). I wouldn't recommend the ankle carry as anything but back up.....maybe a good purse with a concealed holster?? I personally don't care for Walther....but the PPS is supposedly very thin, concealable and a good fit for many people. Might look at renting one. HTH, Sean +1 on the Glock 19, too, if you can conceal it. It's my every day carry. Very easy to shoot, especially compared to a .40 XD. Depending on the size of your hands, maybe even a Glock 26 would work. |
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Ah, see, I also looked at a Kahr P9, too. It had a very nice feel, but I have a small budget .. they wanted $670 for it, and I'm looking for something around $400.
What about revolvers? are there drawbacks to carrying one? Kel_Tec PF9 w/ spare mag + belt clip < $400 |
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Ah, see, I also looked at a Kahr P9, too. It had a very nice feel, but I have a small budget .. they wanted $670 for it, and I'm looking for something around $400.
What about revolvers? are there drawbacks to carrying one? Kel_Tec PF9 w/ spare mag + belt clip < $400 Thank you!!
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Check www.cdnninvestments.com and download their catalog....I think it's a PDF. They often have refurbished Glocks for really low prices. http://www.cdnninvestments.com/dowournewcat.html
Should get you down under $400 easily. HTH. Sean |
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