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Posted: 6/24/2010 8:21:23 PM EDT
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Well, I don't personally own any guns yet, I thought I would ask to get a general overview of your pros and cons of different guns.
I want to get a mid-range gun for each of 3 types, a good "noob" or starter gun, but still has the ability to upgrade. (ie: a rifle that has iron sights, but can have a flashlight, scope, etc. added after I get used to the weapon) One of each, and give some pros and cons! Danke! 
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huh. well since the OP was very broad, ill throw out my specific answer
1) Rifle - Midlength Rock River .223 2) Shotgun - remington 870 express 28". for another $100 get the18.5" barrel as well 3) handgun - Glock 19 or springfield 1911 GI - its a toss up ETA: you should also move away from NY |
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FAL
Hi Power Benelli Nova My favorite in each category. The Nova's a top-rate shotgun. Only problem is the price of aftermarket barrels, i.e. you may as well buy another shotgun. They can be found fairly cheap, so that's not much of an issue. Disassembly is a breeze and it can handle 3.5" shells. The Hi Power is the Hi Power. The classic pistol. No, it's not the newest wonder gun, but its been around forever and it just works. The FAL's no tackdriver, but it was never meant to be. It will keep working with minimal maintenance long after its owner has stopped. Accuracy is still more than acceptable for a battle rifle. And it's 7.62 NATO, a man's caliber. 
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OP is from NY so AR / AK types might be hard to get (or illegal), depending on where he lives. If that's the case then I'd say WASR AK or SKS, if not illegal then the suggestions above are good ones. Shotgun: Can't go wrong with a Mossberg 500 or Winchester 870. Handgun: In NY, from what the guys I deployed with tell me, either a 1911 or a Glock but less problems with 1911 as it's not a Hi-Cap weapon.
AR Pros: Well known weapon with more mod's than any other type. You can find good ones for reasonable prices but you can, occasionally, find crap. Pick the brains of these other guys before you jump on something that's crap. Cons: Must be cleaned regularly, so if SHTF you're needing a lot more cleaning materials and spending more time without it at the ready (but mods exist to improve that). AK Pros: Extremely durable, also with tons of mods available. Reasonably priced for good ones. Even good ammo can be had for dirt cheap. Cons: Some of the new ones being imported have crap barrels, you will need to be careful. Ask one of the other guys as they would be able to explain better than me. Also, they scare people, especially where you live. WASR AK: Basically a sporter version of the AK (no pistol grip) with some other minor mods. Can be modified to have a pistol grip but must be done right. SKS: Very rugged, uses the same round as the AK, can be modded easily and cheaply (also expensively if you want). Unmodified they use stripper clips to fill a small mag so they don't scare NYers so much. 30rd mags available. There's some way to mod them to use AK mags (again, don't ask me, my buddy has one). Cons: Just an older weapon, not as refined as the others but still serviceable. Prices are a bit high for them right now, although less than AR / AK. Mossberg 500 or Winchester 870: Get a 3in 12 gauge with a slug barrel and some choked barrels, you'll never have more fun or need anything else for trap shooting / bird hunting. Easily modded, the stuff is everywhere. No real cons to either of them that I'm aware of. Early Mossbergs (mine is from the early sixties) might be hard to cycle on occasion....maybe it's just b/c it's old. Also, IIRC shotgun is the only way to hunt deer with firearms in NY. 1911: Pros: Proven design, can be had for fairly cheap to uber-expensive. Get a good one and you'll never have to worry about the thing. .45 is God's caliber, the 1911 is God's weapon. Cons: Not really a hi-cap weapon, unless you don't mind the mag sticking out the bottom. .45 can be expensive, especially compared to 9mm. Limited number of available calibers. Only fires in single action. Glock: Common in NY (so easier for you to find stuff for it). Reasonably reliable (I'm going to catch flack from Glock fans for that). Hi-Cap is almost a given. Name the (modern) caliber, you can get it. Cons: Plastic guns scare NYers. Have seen the plastic frame fail, not pretty, although uncommon. It's not a 1911 
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OP is from NY so AR / AK types might be hard to get (or illegal), depending on where he lives. Thats NOT the case. NY State needs post ban items just like us here in NJ except with a 10 round mag limit. BUUUTTTT they can have preban guns, so if they get a preban lower, guess what....preban upper all you want. NYC on the other hand, its a different story. |
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I just know that local laws can be more restrictive than state laws in NY, with respect to firearms and many other things, so in certain places (like NYC) you can have an *almost* outright ban on guns. I'm just saying he needs to be aware of his local laws and tried to offer some options if that were the case.
Here, the state has pretty much taken away from cities the right to be more restrictive with firearms than the state is, so it's the opposite. |
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Get a .22LR rifle and pistol....learn the basics of safety, cleaning and marksmanship....stock up on ammo since it's cheap.
Buy the cool guy guns at the same time if you can afford it (AR, AK for the rifle, 870 pump for the shotgun, Glock, XD, M&P for the pistol)....but learn to shoot on the .22s first. JMO, Sean |
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1. HK and since you live in NY I'd look at the HK45, HK45C, P2000SK (9mm)
a. Pro - Quality, Ergonomics and Innovation b. Con - Price of magazines 2. Remington 870 a. Pro - Just racking the slide will make your neighbors cat explode. . IMO, it's the best "sounding" shotgun when racked.
b. Con - Not a semi-auto 3. MSAR STG-556 a. Pro - Short, piston driven, 2 types of stocks to choose from and did I mention short???
b. Con - You'll be limited to 10 round mags. But can firefighters have high capacity in NY???  
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Get a .22LR rifle and pistol....learn the basics of safety, cleaning and marksmanship....stock up on ammo since it's cheap. Buy the cool guy guns at the same time if you can afford it (AR, AK for the rifle, 870 pump for the shotgun, Glock, XD, M&P for the pistol)....but learn to shoot on the .22s first. JMO, Sean +1 to this. Accuracy > firepower |
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1. m14 type rifle. pro. 7.62 nato If you are only going to have one rifle why choose a .22 varmit cartridge? 2. 1911 type pistol. pro 45a.c.p. It is just unreal the number of 1911 manufacturers today. Leave the striker fired tupperwear pistols to the hood rats. 3. Ithaca 37 m&p pro they dont short cycle like a 870 will, plus it is a J.M.B. design |
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Rifle = AR-15 (16" with Chrome Lined barrel and 5.56mm chamber, Either M4 style or Mid-length gas system. Don't waste money on a "piston" driven AR)
Handgun = Glock (19 or 17 depending on which fits your hand better and whether you plan to CCW. If the Glock doesn't work for you the S&W M&P is an excellent second choice) Shotgun = Remington 870 for general purposes. If you plan to 3-gun, get an auto loader (either a Benelli M1 or M4 or an FN SLP) If you plan to do skeet, sporting clays, etc. get an O\U type. My favorite being the Browning Citori's. Honestly I wouldn't worry about a shotgun until or unless you have a specific purpose or need in mind. That said, I would highly recommend you get a .22LR rifle and pistol too, maybe even before you get the other guns listed above. For a .22 rifle, get a Ruger 10/22 or Remington 597. For the 22 handgun, get a Ruger MKII or 22/45 MKIII or get a Browning Buckmark. The other option here is to get a .22 conversion for both the AR and Glock. |
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