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Posted: 6/13/2008 11:57:03 PM EDT
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I was trying to find something and my net search only turned up the Ed Brown rifles. I think $4K is a bit much for a bolt action hunting rifle without glass, but I would be willing to spend half that on a something nice (without glass). Can someone recommend a rifle/gunsmith in the $2k range with the following requirements (sorry for engineering speak) 30-06 Cal Accuracy of groups approx 9" or better at 300yds (If this isn't achievable please say so!) 24-28" barrel (somewhere in there), wont shoot more than 300yds. Stainless barrel Synthetic Stock with some adjustments (cheek and comb/pull) ( I am a rather large guy) Receiver with a 1913 rail for scope mount. Match trigger or equivalently crisp pull. Capacity greater than or equal to 4 rounds including chamber Not sure about the action/feed mech (recommendation?) Even Partial recommendation is helpful. Adam |
| I'd go with a Remington 700 and change out parts to fit your needs. I consider it the 10/22 or AR of the bolt-action rifles. Tons of parts available and almost everyone is familiar with it. It shouldn't need too much depending on the model you get. You could have a pretty nice rifle for 2k without the glass. |
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Savage in .30-06. It should easily shoot 1" groups at 100 yards with GOOD QUALITY AMMO! If you shoot stuff like corelokt the patterns will open up quite a bit. ETA: I know this stock is fugly but it will work fine. Choate Ultimate Sniper Stock for Savage Long Action I think recently all Savage rifles have an adjustable trigger from the factory, it's pretty nice. A rifle like the Model 114 will work fine. Bed the action in the Choate stock and you have a real good shooter. |
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Remington donor action $400 Kreiger barrel $300 Smith to true up the action and thread/chamber $250 maybe $300 McMillan Stock $400 Leupold optics $500 You have less than 2K and probably a rifle that can do 1MOA at 1000 yds if you can run it with decent loads. Look at the 24hourcampfire and talk to Rick Bin on great deals on a stock and glass. There are also several good smiths out there. Mickey Coleman would be my pick, he is in AL. I also recommend Howard Pitts in TN, he built my 1K yd paper gun. Edit: If you want a rail as part of the gun, the action will cost you more. Brownells has one, cannot remember the name, around 1K though. Near Mfg makes 20 MOA rails for long range things, if you want a bolt on base. If you want the spacer system on the Mickey or adjustable butt you will sling a little more money at it too. And if you are looking for sturdy optics, not a 3.5X10 VX3, you can sling more than 1K at them. If it isn't a hunting gun and more tactical I'd spend for a Nightforce if the need is there. I personally have no need for them though, great glass, just not needed for me. |
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+1 on that - Any bone stock modern bolt rifle is capable of 3 MOA, actually much better than that in my experience. I based my whole precision build off of a Model 70 action in 30-06. Very lightly used Model 70 action Used MacMillan A4 stock new 26" Pacnor custom barrel Great gunsmith to put it all together Cost me a bit over 2000.00 to build. I thought that was pretty good for what I got. I'm easily getting .5 MOA on factory 168gr match ammo. I'm quite sure accuracy will be same or better once i start reloading for it. Good luck in your search. Hope this helps. Jon |
Don't have a good reason for the 30-06 besides looking at some ballistics tables and seeing where it sits compared to others and some recommendations from friends. Already have 3 semi auto 308s, my hunting buddies give me shiat about getting something bigger, I won't ever need an elephant gun (at least not yet), but a 30-06 seems the next suitable option. Adam |
Haha, where do you guys hunt, Africa? .308 is plenty for any North American game. Tell your buddies to shut the fuck up unless they are paying for your ammo. http://www.snipercountry.net/Articles/AccuracyFacts.asp |
Had my 110FP in .30-06 in the Sniper stock for a while,  but decided I liked Choates Varmint stock better. Besides being lighter, I like the appearance better:  Here is what it will do using surplus CMP ammo: Greek:  Lake City:  Georgia Arms 150gr FMJ: That's with either surplus or just plain old 150gr from Georgia Arms. So much for .308 being cheaper. At prices these days, I can't imagine anyone saying that and if the surplus will meet the specs defined by the original poster, .308 sure as hell ain't cheaper. This is what it does with Georgia Arms 150gr ballistic tip, which ain't all that expensive:  To the OP, get the .30-06 and don't worry about someone telling you that you should get .308. |
I don't think anyone in this topic has said "Get .308." He can get whatever he wants, I'm just trying to understand why someone would want an round that is inferior in terms of accuracy but more expensive with a negligible difference in energy. Don't not consider .308 just because your buddies are saying "Haha you're riding a girl's bike!" |
Yeah, I have read all the "inferior accuracy" bullshit and I think it's just that. Also, .30-06 ain't necessarily more expensive and defintitely ain't as hard to find. See my post above. CMP surplus is well within his standards and sure as hell ain't more expensive than .308. |
Don't attribute quotes to me that I did not make. What, it's the truth because YOU say it is? Not fucking hardly. I pointed out where military surplus ammo more than meets his specs, so that kills you 'less expensive' point. And you have yet to show any real proof to show that .308 is more accurate, so don't give me your crap. What does the heavy barrel have to do with it? The OP was talking about a $2000 rifle and I just pointed out something a lot less expensive. YOU are the one that brought up .308. I didn't even address you directly, but the man wants to build a .30-06. What made you feel that you just had to jump in with another caliber? |
| MY thoughts. I like the 700's and all that but if it we my choice, partially cause I already have one...... look into the Howa's ....... if its good enough for Weatherby to use their actions and Howa to use Weatherbys stocks it ought to be good enough to do what you need. |
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Larry. You need to chill the fuck out and quit acting like a fucking woman. .30-06 is not cheaper than .308 so lets not kid ourselves. Yeah, I have proof that .308 is more accurate, it's called the shooting range. You should go there more often and your groups won't look like buckshot spread. All the heavy barrel has to do with it is that you're like "HAW HAW CHECK OUT MY POST" like you were drilling 5 rounds into one ragged hole at 200 meters when in reality your groups are marginal at best. Don't tell me to "see my post above" like you're teaching me a lesson when in reality you have nothing to say. .308 is more accurate than .30-06, I've noticed the difference. If it wasn't the military wouldn't have been using it in their rifles after it phased out .30-06 for the past 50 years. .308 ammo is cheaper and more accurate and there is a wider variety of precision ammo available if you want it. You can even use the US military sniper ammo that comes up for sale every now and then. |
Have you priced .30-06 from the CMP? It IS cheaper than .308.
Obviously, you can't read. The OP said 9 inch group at 300 yards. The military surplus will do that. That's why I posted it. It looks like "buckshot" as you call it because it is 50 year old surplus ammo, but still meets the specs as put forth by the OP. I probably shoot as much or more than you do.
I suggest you read the history of the 7.62x51 NATO round. It wasn't because it was more accurate, it was because it delivered similar power in a shorter round. That ain't got shit to do with accuracy. As for variety, again you don't know what you are talking about. .30-06 is available in a far wider range of loads than .308. You say I act like a woman yet you offer no proof of your statement other than "because I say so". Yeah, right. I am not saying that .308 is not an accurate round, but your statements are nothing but "because I say so". I am not the one who needs to chill out. You sound like you are about to have a stroke. |
| I have a 700 30-06 that could use a better stock and needs trigger work that still gets 2" @100 yards with surplus without a bench rest. I like both, but they are about the same so if you want more power (moose, beer, elk) you should go to a mag - 7mmRem, 300Win, 338Win etc. |
Does Savage still offer that model? My friend had a 110FP in .308 and it was stupid accurate. Even with Indian surplus 7.62 NATO it could print about 1.5 MOA. These rounds were so sloppy that the bullets were seated visually different from each other just by looking at the canellure (I know I spelled that wrong  ).I didn't know they made them in .30-06. I'd like to have a "precision" rifle and would love to have one in .30-06, as I have tons of brass, like the extra oomph, and I honestly just like the round. It's probably the most common centerfire round in the US. I don't even see the 110FP listed on the website. Am I looking in the wrong spot? |
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