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4/20/2009 11:17:08 AM EDT
I remember a .50 at the  gun shows a while back where the butt of the gun acted like a bolt and rotated out too gain single shot access any clues  as too name of this i want too say lone wolf  but that came up week on the googlefoo thanks
4/20/2009 11:31:21 AM EDT
[#1]
Could have been an LAR Grizzly.  Could have been a kit gun.  Hard to tell from your limited description.

-David
Edgewood, NM
4/21/2009 10:16:31 AM EDT
[#2]
the lar grizzly looks like what i was gawking at. how does the lar  compare too others in the same price point ?
4/21/2009 10:52:54 AM EDT
[#3]
Edit your thread title to reflect that you are asking about the LAR Grizzly and I expect you'll get responses from those folks that have LAR Grizzlies, including imtheflash.

If I recall, imtheflash shot his LAR Grizzly at an FCSA match at Quantico a couple weeks ago.  He can tell you how he did.

Advantages of LAR Grizzly:  Short for barrel length.  Light for barrel length.  Long 36" barrel, fairly inexpensive at around $2500, Solidly built, Older, proven design

Disadvantages of LAR Grizzly:  Fairly slow to load since buttpad has to come off, limited on accessories, fairly inefficient brake

Other guns in the $3000 or less range include the AR-50, State Arms Shorty, State Arms Rebel, Safety Harbor, BGA Viper, UL-50 upper, ALS upper, Ferret50 upper, BOHICA, Serbu BFG-50, and maybe a few others.

If I was limited to $2500 or less, i'd go with a State Arms rifle or a Ferret 50 but that is just my preference.  You need to figure out your applicaiton for the gun.

-David
Edgewood, NM
4/22/2009 5:53:36 AM EDT
[#4]
I have the LAR Grizzly and I used to have an AR-50.  Between the two, overall I like shooting the
Grizzly better.  That's probably mostly because I shoot lefty and my AR-50 was RH and I just
never could get comfortable with it.    I also like the compactness of the Grizzly.  It's a lot easier to
transport without a truck.

As far as accuracy goes, it's widely reported that the AR-50 is a more accurate gun, but to be honest,
both guns can outshoot me so for me it was a moot point.  As David says, the muzzle brake is
supposed to be more efficient than the Grizzly's, but I didn't see much difference and my perception
is that my Grizzly is less recoil than my AR-50 was with the same ammo.  Since I never got to
shoot them side by side I can't say if that is the case or not.  It is probable that since I *enjoy*
shooting the Grizzly and I *tolerated* shooting the AR-50, that it's just a perception issue.

The triggers on both guns were great.  

I didn't get rid of my AR-50, it died in my house fire.  I would own one again no problem, though I would
prefer a LH version.  Actually, I like the bolt handle on the RH side, it's just that the stock is not set up
to be ambidextrous.
4/22/2009 3:49:24 PM EDT
[#5]
At Crossroads of the West in SLC last weekend, there was a guy from Montana, some machine shop, that builds a rifle such as that which you describe for $1600.

The website is OnlyLongRange

He claimed 1MOA accuracy with match ammo.

Don't know if anybody has any experience with these.

SOA
4/22/2009 4:16:35 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
If I recall, imtheflash shot his LAR Grizzly at an FCSA match at Quantico a couple weeks ago.  He can tell you how he did.


Dave and I had dinner after verification on Friday.. he got two 3rd place plaques and shot a 10" group at 1k.
Not bad at all considering it rained hard enough to strangle a friggin' frog.

4/23/2009 12:21:59 AM EDT
[#7]
the noreen looks very promising and a nice price point. my main goal is too jump into the  .50 cal match at my local club and show off too my friends that think there 300 win mags are long range power houses
4/23/2009 8:41:27 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
At Crossroads of the West in SLC last weekend, there was a guy from Montana, some machine shop, that builds a rifle such as that which you describe for $1600.

The website is OnlyLongRange

He claimed 1MOA accuracy with match ammo.

Don't know if anybody has any experience with these.

SOA


Never have seen one in person.  Brake looks like a Vulcan.  Action looks somewhat like a State Arms clone.

I'd suggest sticking with a proven gun, such as the State Arms Shorty.  Known performance...known reliability...still around $2K.

-David
Edgewood, NM
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