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Posted: 12/3/2007 2:42:07 PM EDT

Sorry but I don't know where to post this.

I sent off to fill out the forms so, if approved, I could buy/build full auto ar15s and things of that sort. I sent of for two forms. I know only one of them is the correct one. Is it the "Form 7", the yellow copy???

Posted: 12/3/2007 1:26:36 PM EDT

[#1]

Short answer: No.

You don't apply for a license that lets you buy class 3 / title 2. What you do is find a specific weapon which can be lawfully transferred to you, and submit paperwork to make that transfer/registration occur.

If you are an average joe blow, you can not buy a machine gun manufactured after the FOPA legislation (86.) You can buy / manufacture cans and SBRs/SBSs to your hearts content and buy pre-86 machine guns.

Don't worry about getting paperwork. The first step for you is to go find a class III dealer and figure out what it is you want to own. Either that, or file papers (form 1) to allow you to convert one of your rifles to an SBR.

There is a Class III Forum

Posted: 12/3/2007 1:34:05 PM EDT

[#2]

hmm think I'm more confused than ever now lol.

I just wanted to build one.

What if I wanted to put a shorter 14 inch barrel on my ar15. Would I have to go through a class III dealer as well?

what do you mean "cans"?

Posted: 12/3/2007 1:39:02 PM EDT

[#3]

You need to do a bit more reading.

No new machine guns for regular people have been allowed since 1986.

You can manufacture a short barrel rifle (under 16") or a suppressor (can) using a Form 1.

Posted: 12/3/2007 1:41:05 PM EDT

[#4]

I see. Too bad my department won't issue us full auto ARs

Posted: 12/3/2007 1:43:38 PM EDT

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I see. Too bad my department won't issue us full auto ARs

You could buy your own, but you'd need about $15K to buy a pre-86 transferable.

Posted: 12/3/2007 2:52:23 PM EDT

[#6]

I still don't understand why I can't just build one as long as I fill out the proper forms. I build semi ars why can't I build tri or full auto ones. They have all the parts for sale to build one just like with a semi ????

Posted: 12/3/2007 3:03:35 PM EDT

[#7]

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I still don't understand why I can't just build one as long as I fill out the proper forms. I build semi ars why can't I build tri or full auto ones. They have all the parts for sale to build one just like with a semi ????

try buying the parts needed for the full auto .. you will be asked for a tax stamp ..

you dont have that yet ,

as far as " you not unnderstanding " join the club.. <actually the reason is the '86 ban >

no new manufactured MG can be transfered to individauls,

you state that "as long as you fill out the forms".. .. your forms will be denied, .

edit:

yes the full auto is as easy to build as the semi .. you just cant ..

so . dont.

Posted: 12/3/2007 3:14:51 PM EDT

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I still don't understand why I can't just build one as long as I fill out the proper forms. I build semi ars why can't I build tri or full auto ones. They have all the parts for sale to build one just like with a semi ????

Quit expecting gun laws to make sense.

Posted: 12/3/2007 4:01:57 PM EDT

[#9]

crystal clear thanks guys. Its a subject I've never really understood. I live in TN and I've actually heard that TN says you don't have to have the stamp to purchase things like silencers.....I've heard all kinds of junk. Thanks though for clearing it up.

Posted: 12/3/2007 10:13:07 PM EDT

[#10]

You can build a new machine gun, you just have to become a Class II SOT and pay your taxes every year as well as lots of record keeping and paperwork

Posted: 12/3/2007 11:13:00 PM EDT

[#11]

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You can build a new machine gun, you just have to become a Class II SOT and pay your taxes every year as well as lots of record keeping and paperwork

Don't forget the all important LE love letter (Demo letter). In order to build or purchase a post sample, you need a letter on department letterhead stating that they are interested in a demonstration. Without this letter, not even a dealer can purchase a post sample machinegun.

Posted: 12/4/2007 12:11:14 AM EDT

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You can build a new machine gun, you just have to become a Class II SOT and pay your taxes every year as well as lots of record keeping and paperwork

Don't forget the all important LE love letter (Demo letter). In order to build or purchase a post sample, you need a letter on department letterhead stating that they are interested in a demonstration. Without this letter, not even a dealer can purchase a post sample machinegun.

I don't think a manufacturer needs a demo letter to build one. He just makes it and sends in the registration.

You really don't think colt has a specific order in hand before making an M4 do you?

Posted: 12/4/2007 4:09:15 AM EDT

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You can build a new machine gun, you just have to become a Class II SOT and pay your taxes every year as well as lots of record keeping and paperwork

Don't forget the all important LE love letter (Demo letter). In order to build or purchase a post sample, you need a letter on department letterhead stating that they are interested in a demonstration. Without this letter, not even a dealer can purchase a post sample machinegun.

I don't think a manufacturer needs a demo letter to build one. He just makes it and sends in the registration.

You really don't think colt has a specific order in hand before making an M4 do you?

I think this is true. A manufacturer can build one without a letterhead, he just can't sell it until the buyer (dealer only) gets a letterhead. I think many of the mgs shooting at Knob Creek are post samples made only for shooting and not for selling.

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