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Posted: 1/8/2013 2:47:03 PM EDT
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who has experience with reloading these,I was thinking about trying some out in 9mm can you load to maximum velocity? will they lead your barrel?
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who has experience with reloading these,I was thinking about trying some out in 9mm can you load to maximum velocity? will they lead your barrel? You normally load them using cast bullet data. They "probably" will not handle full pressure jacketed loads but in certain calibers they may. The 9mm has a pretty high working pressure maybe not .357 magnum high but still high. I'd stick to cast bullet data but someone on here may have tried to push them to max and will post results. |
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Originally Posted By phil 3333:
thanks that is sound advice i wonder if they cause leading I never had any leading and don't recall seeing any complaints posted here or anywhere else. Give your thread time to mature and you will very likely get some good answers. 
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| At my local shop plated (Xtreme) run about half the cost of jacketed Hornady HAP's. He hasn't had any cheap or bulk pistol bullets to compare them to recently. I load my 9mm and .45ACP up to middle jacketed data from my Sierra manual and they run just fine, no leading and decent accuracy. |
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At my local shop plated (Xtreme) run about half the cost of jacketed Hornady HAP's. He hasn't had any cheap or bulk pistol bullets to compare them to recently. I load my 9mm and .45ACP up to middle jacketed data from my Sierra manual and they run just fine, no leading and decent accuracy. You have to look into places such as rose zero, precision delta, etc... |
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Quoted: IMO plated bullets are functionally equivalent to jacketed bullets in pistol calibers. I can't think of a reason to shoot jacketed over plated. I've launched 115gr Berry's to 1290 fps using Power Pistol in 9mm and 158gr Rainiers to 1200 fps in .357 Magnum. Yes!! Did you know that Speer Gold Dots are plated bullets? Yep, they are and they work fine at magnum velocities too. I've used Speer, Berry's, X-Treme, and Rainier plated bullets by the 10s of thousands at super high velocities with no problems at all. There is no leading, period. That's the whole point of plating them. When loaded properly, the thin jacket doesn't separate from the bullet. I've recovered hundreds of test bullets to confirm this. Yes, the manufacturers caution against driving them over 1,200fps but that's more because their core lead is soft and so they obturate to the chamber very well so the pressures will get up there using them. How fast have I tested them at? Pistol: 158grn HP & RNFP - 357mag shot in my Uberti SA Cav. - 1,382fps: Great accuracy out to 100yds with Gold Dots, Berry's, X-Treme, and Rainier plated bullets. 165grn HP & RNFP - 40 cal shot in my custom Glock 24 - 1,198fps: Great accuracy out to 150yds with Gold Dots, Berry's, X-Treme, and Rainier plated bullets. 165grn HP & RNFP - 10mm shot in my custom Glock 20L - 1,589fps: Great accuracy out to 200yds with Gold Dots, Berry's, X-Treme, and Rainier plated bullets. 200grn HP & RN - 45 cal shot in my custom Glock 21L - 1,064fps: Great accuracy out to 150yds with Gold Dots, Berry's, X-Treme, and Rainier plated bullets. Rifle: 110grn RN - 30carb shot in both my M1 Carbines - 2,101fps: Great accuracy out past 300yds with Berry's and Rainier plated bullets. 158grn HP & RNFP - 357mag shot in my Rossi leverguns - 1,977fps: Great accuracy out to 300yds with Gold Dots, Berry's, X-Treme, and Rainier plated bullets. Are there any cautions with plated bullets? Yes, two. First, as stated above you need to use lead data when reloading because their soft centers allow them to obturate to the barrel so well. Second, be careful when crimping plated bullets. A Lee FCD is idea for them and one should just remove the bell and not over crimp. Over crimping soft lead bullets including plated bullets actually makes them loser in the case because the brass will spring back a bit but the lead won't. Under no circumstance should you use a roll crimp with plated bullets. Doing so will likely cause the case mouth to cut through the plating and when fired, the rear plating could separate from the bullet. I've also sectioned each manufacturer's plated bullets and they all look to have about .006"-.008" thick plating. Here is a comparison between Berry's and Rainier 200grn 45cal RN bullets. Both their plating measured .007" thick.  |
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who has experience with reloading these,I was thinking about trying some out in 9mm can you load to maximum velocity? will they lead your barrel? Yes you CAN load these to max published 9mm velocity in manuals; they will generally work fine in .357 Sig too if that gives you any idea. The CCI/Spper Gold Dot is an ELECTROPLATED bullet - though the plating CCI uses is slightly thicker than Ranier/Berrys. The Extrema (the old West Coast bullet) is probably a little thicker than berrys or ranier. The ONE caution is to not use many of these in PORTED barrel handguns; the ports cause erosion of the BASE of the bullet & can tear right through the plating. Accuracy can suffer & the ports can "spit" pieces of copper out. BTW - the Federal RIFLE ammunition known as "Federal Fusion" uses an ELECTROPLATED bullet & velocities run as high as 3,500 FPS - so NEVER let someone generalize about all electroplated bullets. It all depends on the thickness and construction. |
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While gold dots are "plated" their jacket is MUCH thicker then your every day plated projectile Agree. Big difference when you slice them open and compare the differences in thickness. Let me see if I took any pictures, but one day I got bored and melted the lead out of a gold dot.... |
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At my local shop plated (Xtreme) run about half the cost of jacketed Hornady HAP's. He hasn't had any cheap or bulk pistol bullets to compare them to recently. I load my 9mm and .45ACP up to middle jacketed data from my Sierra manual and they run just fine, no leading and decent accuracy. You have to look into places such as rose zero, precision delta, etc... Roze's Zero jacketed run about 40% more than plated from my local guy for 115gn 9mm. Precision Delta is only about 20% higher, but I don't have a 2000 bullet minimum order at the local shop. I'd would also have to pay tax at my local shop so the actual difference is slightly less than the numbers above. Either way I like supporting the local guy. I spent 4 hours shooting the breeze there last Saturday after a couple hours at the range. Its nice to spend some time with like minded people, which are a little tougher to find in SoCal than they are in many states. |
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My plated bullet loads in 40 S&W match the Speer GDHP data in the Nosler manual(which is the same as most jacketed data in other manuals) almost exactly so that is the data I suggest people use for plated bullets.
Lead data is never close to being correct for plated bullets, it's always better to use jacketed data for plated bullets as the velocity will be much closer than with lead data. Nosler data for 180gr GDHP---- Power Pistol (6.2 gr - 890 fps, 7.2 gr - 1013 fps), Tite Group (4.0 gr - 793 fps, 4.7 gr - 917 fps) My chron data for Rainier 180gr FP---- Power Pistol (6.1 gr - 900 fps, 7.0 gr - 1015 fps), Tite Group (4.0 gr - 800 fps, 4.7 gr - 920 fps) For other plated loads I start with a jacketed starting load and work my way up until I reach the velocity I want checking the loads over the chronograph and I always end up near the max jacketed load with very similar velocity, just as close as it would be if I was using a jacketed bullet so that's the data I use. EWP |
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Quoted: Last time I bought 9 mm bullets (a couple months ago) they were $35 or $36 per 500 for XTreme plated 115 gr. He's out for the next couple weeks though till his next shipment. http://www.upammosupply.com/9mm/cat1184905_1248139.aspx Showing 5 different 9mm bullets. I have bought his bullets at the funshow.
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