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Posted: 4/24/2015 11:00:05 PM EDT
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I went through all 10 pages of this forum and didn't find a single thread on dump pouches. I know that piece of kit isn't high tech or super cool, but tell me what works and what doesn't work, because I don't want to buy 4 or 5 dump pouches before I figure it out. I've looked at the HSGI, EGL LOOPY, USGI surplus, Maxpidetion. I will mount this on a battle belt for training classes. I'm not running anything in the real sandbox. While I am not doing the serious work that others do, I still want quality gear that really works. |
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I went through all 10 pages of this forum and didn't find a single thread on dump pouches. I know that piece of kit isn't high tech or super cool, but tell me what works and what doesn't work, because I don't want to buy 4 or 5 dump pouches before I figure it out. I've looked at the HSGI, EGL LOOPY, USGI surplus, Maxpidetion. I will mount this on a battle belt for training classes. I'm not running anything in the real sandbox. While I am not doing the serious work that others do, I still want quality gear that really works. I've used a USMC surplus, maxpedition, TAG, and tactical tailor's regular dump and their fight light dump pouches. My favorite one for mounting on a battle belt is the regular tactical tailor one. ( http://www.tacticaltailor.com/rollupdumpbag.aspx ) The fight light one is lighter, but smaller. The regular one is big enough to hold 10 magazines/stuff, and the fight light one is sized for about 6 or so. Both of them fold up into a tiny package. Super solid mounting with the included malice clips. I used the same one for years, and still cant tell there's any wear on it. Good stuff. |
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Thanks for the replies. Again, this isn't for street carry or for an application where I will retain a single mag or two. This is for my battle belt for some serious training in rifle classes. I will be dropping 5.56 mags and double stack handgun mags in this thing and multiples of each one. While my BDUs could handle a mag or two that's not this application. In addition to brands or specific models, what makes a good dump pouch as far as features? So, why do you like what you like? Sure, I want something that folds up so when not in use it doesn't take up a lot of real estate on the belt. I think that I want something that stays fairly open so when I go to hit this pouch it's a fairly quick operator to actually put a mag in the thing and I'm not having to open it first then drop the mag through a lot of hand manipulation. |
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Quoted: I'd get a surplus marine dump pouch. Because they're like $15 for surplus ones and they're just a bag that hangs off your belt for you to dump shit in. no need paying $100 bucks for a nylon bag with drawstring. Quoted: I'd get a surplus marine dump pouch. Because they're like $15 for surplus ones and they're just a bag that hangs off your belt for you to dump shit in. no need paying $100 bucks for a nylon bag with drawstring. This. They are freaking huge. |
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Cargo pockets. Tuck the flap in. BDU's are a bit nicer because they have a large cargo pocket. +1 For the amount of magazines most civilians carry, a cargo pocket is more than enough. I'm not doing SSE or going through ten mags quick-like, so the idea of another piece attached to my belt doesn't make a whole lot of sense. |
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+1 For the amount of magazines most civilians carry, a cargo pocket is more than enough. I'm not doing SSE or going through ten mags quick-like, so the idea of another piece attached to my belt doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Quoted:
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Cargo pockets. Tuck the flap in. BDU's are a bit nicer because they have a large cargo pocket. +1 For the amount of magazines most civilians carry, a cargo pocket is more than enough. I'm not doing SSE or going through ten mags quick-like, so the idea of another piece attached to my belt doesn't make a whole lot of sense. This, or throw them inside your shirt and remove them later. |
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I'd get a surplus marine dump pouch. Because they're like $15 for surplus ones and they're just a bag that hangs off your belt for you to dump shit in. no need paying $100 bucks for a nylon bag with drawstring. That's my favorite, made by CSM. Dirt cheap on ebay or from surplus stores. That thing is huge, which may or may not be good depending on what you want out of a dump pouch. |
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I'd get a surplus marine dump pouch. Because they're like $15 for surplus ones and they're just a bag that hangs off your belt for you to dump shit in. no need paying $100 bucks for a nylon bag with drawstring. This. They are freaking huge. The original CSM dump pouch was pretty good but the newer one that is more like a large Nalgene bottle holder kind sucks. |
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For the most part, dump pouches/evidence bags come in three types:
1) Always Deployed. Just a big bag attached to the user's side. 2) Fold-Up--for example Maxpedition RolyPoly 3) Roll-Up-- See Specter Gear, First Spear. Pluses and negatives to most all of them. The OP mentioned that he preferred to have the opening of the bag/pouch a bit on the open side, so as to avoid fussing with inserting mags. Generally this means the opening of the pouch/bag has been reinforced with SCUBA webbing or similar, and such a bag will be Roll-Up, or Always Deployed. A decent pouch of any type will have an inner collar, whose opening will be adjusted by shock cord. This collar allows easy insertion, but serves to prevent the inserted mags from exiting the pouch. While pockets and jackets have long been used to stash expended mags, the mags so stowed are very liable to come adrift if the user is engaged in strenuous, multi-position activity. Plus, stowing mags in the front of one's jacket can make going prone painful. Some examples:http://www.optactical.com/dupoevba.html |
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Quoted: I bought a TAG IIRC. I think I've used it once in 2 years. Keep that in mind. While many of you state a brand name, very few say why they chose what they chose. Again, what features make a good dump pouch? Thanks for the discussion. |
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Battlelab. Fold up on belt, stays open when in use and has a drawstring also. I used the shit out of it in every class I've taken and action rifle match's too.
It stays open when I need it. Folds away when I don't. Has good retention ( with draw string ) when full. |
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My plans are to run this most days training. So why aren't you using a dump pouch is my question? While many of you state a brand name, very few say why they chose what they chose. Again, what features make a good dump pouch? Thanks for the discussion. Quoted:
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I bought a TAG IIRC. I think I've used it once in 2 years. Keep that in mind. While many of you state a brand name, very few say why they chose what they chose. Again, what features make a good dump pouch? Thanks for the discussion. I think that I mentioned most of the features to look for in my post above. With your stated needs in mind, I would suggest the USMC issue pouch as meeting your needs at minimal cost. However, this pouch is on sale, and has some features which make it rather attractive. Look at the pix closely, and read the text. If I were to buy one, this would be it. Quality second-to-none, IMHO: https://www.entrygear.com/product.asp?id=BAE-3082 |
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Quoted: I think that I mentioned most of the features to look for in my post above. With your stated needs in mind, I would suggest the USMC issue pouch as meeting your needs at minimal cost. However, this pouch is on sale, and has some features which make it rather attractive. Look at the pix closely, and read the text. If I were to buy one, this would be it. Quality second-to-none, IMHO: https://www.entrygear.com/product.asp?id=BAE-3082 Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I bought a TAG IIRC. I think I've used it once in 2 years. Keep that in mind. While many of you state a brand name, very few say why they chose what they chose. Again, what features make a good dump pouch? Thanks for the discussion. You're absolutely right, thank you for a nice complete answer earlier. You were I think that I mentioned most of the features to look for in my post above. With your stated needs in mind, I would suggest the USMC issue pouch as meeting your needs at minimal cost. However, this pouch is on sale, and has some features which make it rather attractive. Look at the pix closely, and read the text. If I were to buy one, this would be it. Quality second-to-none, IMHO: https://www.entrygear.com/product.asp?id=BAE-3082 Thanks for the sale link. Much appreciate all of the comments. I don't have all the answers and really like to read this forum and tap into the experienced member's thoughts. Thanks again. |
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Before you buy a dump pouch, or anything, for that matter, think hard about what you want to do with it and how it will make your life easier. As a related question, what's the purpose behind taking the carbine class?
Are you just going to use it for a 2-3 day carbine class and never use it again? Once you've finished the class, do you plan to put it on your "bump-in-the-night/defend the house" gear? Are you going to be using your gear for SWAT missions? Are you just prepping for the Zombie Apocalypse/TEOTWAWKI? Are you going to use the gear used in the class for competing in 3-gun? Are you taking the class to be a better 3-gunner? Just to gain knowledge of how to better fight with your rifle should some ne'er-do-wells break into your home? To be able to repel boarders at the edges of your city when society suffers a total collapse? My point is, if you're taking the class and buying the gear to be better able to defend your house from a breaking and entering, you'll likely be better off just stuffing the mags into a cargo pocket or even just dropping them and picking them up during lulls for reloading mags (which occur fairly frequently). If you're prepping for 3-gun or some form of competition where you have to retain mags, then a mag pouch may be a better option. The mission should drive the gear. If your house is broken into, you'll likely want to respond as quickly as possible. Pulling on pants and grabbing a rifle is going to be faster than adding the step of also pulling on a battle belt, complete with dump pouch. And, you're not really likely to need more than the mag in the rifle, though an extra in a redi-mag or stock pouch isn't a terrible idea. And, since it is your house, taking the time to stow a mag, rather than just dropping it where you're at, is a really unnecessary step. So, if that's what is the most likely time you'll use your rifle seriously, why add the potential for a training scar (building the muscle memory of stowing empty mags, rather than just dropping them and picking them off the ground later)? Personally, I'm not going to be going into any more war zones. The closest I might come is defending the house or securing it after a tornado causes power outages/drains on emergency services. Since any rifle fighting I'm likely to do (and it's highly unlikely it'll ever happen), I don't bother with a dump pouch. If I do empty one, I'll likely drop it on the ground and worry about it later-whether that means retrieving it or replacing t from my substantial stockpile. (Until very recently, I did have a Maxpedition Roly Poly on my belt. It's primary purpose was in case I needed to stow something for which I didn't have a dedicated pouch-to include spent mags, water bottles, whatever. I chose the Roly Poly because it had a fairly small footprint when not being used, but had plenty of volume when opened. I actually had it on there for a pretty short time, as a test of whether or not I liked it. I decided I didn't need it and removed it.) |
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Sounds to me like you are best off with either cargo pockets, throwing them on the ground, or any of the cheapest options you can find. Personally, I always end up just using dump pouches for extra crap that I want handy, but isn't essential. On an Army range I store some snacks and a water bottle in mine, then use it for picking up brass at the end of the day. I always either drop magazines or put them in a cargo pocket, where I can retrieve them later. In Afghanistan I used it pretty much the same way - extra bullshit that I wanted to keep handy, but nothing that I was overly worried about if it disappeared.
I currently have the USMC surplus dump pouch, just because I like the loops as a handy place to store chemlights, and I like the massive size and the pricetag. I still use my Condor dump pouch if I am on the range and don't need or feel like wearing a "battle belt" all day. Its super quick to put on and off my regular pants belt, sturdy enough for what I put in it, and if/when it wears out, It's only $15 to replace. This is the second one that I have had, I got rid of the first after deployment since I didn't feel like cleaning it up and bringing it home. As has been said, your use defines what you should buy and how much to spend. For me, its just a handy bag to hold bullshit, so I go as cheap as possible. |
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My plans are to run this most days training. So why aren't you using a dump pouch is my question? While many of you state a brand name, very few say why they chose what they chose. Again, what features make a good dump pouch? Thanks for the discussion. Quoted:
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I bought a TAG IIRC. I think I've used it once in 2 years. Keep that in mind. While many of you state a brand name, very few say why they chose what they chose. Again, what features make a good dump pouch? Thanks for the discussion. It was on sale for a steal, so I bought it. But it had features like hold-open and folding which was a bonus. Hold open is nice because it lets you throw stuff in without fumbling. Drawstring is nice because when you are done you can make sure your stowed equipment doesn't fall out. Folding is nice because it stays out of the way. Some pouches will have some chemlight loops. Buy what you think you want. As for use, if I am doing "tactical" training the mags get dumped on the ground. Competition, they get dumped on the ground. The only time I have used it is to throw is some mags after a stage just to clear it out faster. |
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Sounds to me like you are best off with either cargo pockets this is what I did when I was in the Army because they didn't give us cool dump pouches like the Marine corps. I'd velcro or button the front part of the flap then tuck the back part in so there was a little opening to slide mags into and always kept it empty and ready. |
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http://www.skdtac.com/Emdom-MM-Dump-Pouch-p/e2m.106.htm
Thats what i use. I think they also make a mesh version that folds up EDIT: http://www.emdomusa.com/Emdom-MM-Mesh-Dump-Pouch-p/eu180.htm here all the version they carry http://www.emdomusa.com/category-s/79.htm |
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this is what I did when I was in the Army because they didn't give us cool dump pouches like the Marine corps. I'd velcro or button the front part of the flap then tuck the back part in so there was a little opening to slide mags into and always kept it empty and ready. Quoted:
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Sounds to me like you are best off with either cargo pockets this is what I did when I was in the Army because they didn't give us cool dump pouches like the Marine corps. I'd velcro or button the front part of the flap then tuck the back part in so there was a little opening to slide mags into and always kept it empty and ready. I did it the opposite, button the back and leave the front open. I did the same thing with the Velcro pockets, they just became worthless faster. As for shit in cargo pockets stabbing you in the leg/rubbing a hole through the pocket, how long are you leaving the magazines there? First chance I get, I'm in my pack anyways to pull out fresh magazines or EPW kits or colored pyro or whatever, and would always just throw the few mags out of my pocket into the bag at that time. |
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I hate carrying things in my cargo pockets, I have quite a few scars on my legs from stuff wearing the skin off the outside of my legs This. It sucks running with a ton of shit in your cargo pockets. Went to a combat course last year and used a pistol belt as my "war belt" and hung a (I believe) Condor dump pouch on it. Rolled up when I didn't need it and had a velcro flap to close it up. Worked great and I'll probably use this setup on my next deployment, too. |
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OK, we need to define the usage here;
First off, how many mags will be expended? Under what circumstances? Will you be able to retrieve expended mags later? What is your re-supply of mags? Think about the above. There are some circumstances that demand dump pouches, and some that do not. More later. |
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As for shit in cargo pockets stabbing you in the leg/rubbing a hole through the pocket, how long are you leaving the magazines there? First chance I get, I'm in my pack anyways to pull out fresh magazines or EPW kits or colored pyro or whatever, and would always just throw the few mags out of my pocket into the bag at that time. it wasn't like the length of time they were in there, it was just that after time just putting them in there ended up wearing holes in the corner of the pockets |
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it wasn't like the length of time they were in there, it was just that after time just putting them in there ended up wearing holes in the corner of the pockets Quoted:
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As for shit in cargo pockets stabbing you in the leg/rubbing a hole through the pocket, how long are you leaving the magazines there? First chance I get, I'm in my pack anyways to pull out fresh magazines or EPW kits or colored pyro or whatever, and would always just throw the few mags out of my pocket into the bag at that time. it wasn't like the length of time they were in there, it was just that after time just putting them in there ended up wearing holes in the corner of the pockets That makes sense. I usually end up messing up the pants before wearing out the cargo pockets, but I've got bad luck with blown crotches or getting some other weird tears and cuts in field pants. |
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For a class, especially a rifle class=dump pouch=Maxpedition
Forget the pocket idea. As much trash talk as battle belts get, a battle belt with two "tacos", a dump pouch, and strong side belt holster are the way to go. I would even add a double blade-tech AR pouch behind the tacos. Class is much easier if you have 10 or so loaded mags in your bag/ruck that you can load before class and at lunch. Much better to spend your time getting a snack/water than reloading the only 4-5 mags you have between drills. Chest rig/plate carrier? If you wear one at your job then I would train with it otherwise battle belt and camelback. A chest rig is much harder to reload from, reduces your mobility, and prone sucks. At least that’s what my experience was from the week long SIG Patrol Rifle instructor class. |
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Its really a matter of preference, and a compromise.. Do you want it to hold its shape, or did you want it to stow flat?
I group them into 3 categories: -Eagle SAS, Emdom, and HSGI leg mounted and/or open style -CSM, EAG, TT, DBT, ATS, and TAG roll ups -BFG TS SSE, EGL Loppy g2, and Maxpedition rolypoly folding types |
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I dont see them discussed much but I just bought a SORD Dump pouch for my Battle Belt. It only is one row wide so takes up very little real estate on the belt, and I wont be using it that much so I figured what the hell. Havent had it long enough to issue a opinion. But for limited use, limited real estate purposes you might want to take a look.
SORD Dump Pouch |
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I don't use dump pouches very often so I prefer one that stows small but is also fast to deploy, is wide open when deployed so I don't have to fumble with it, and will hold whatever is inside securely.
I've tried most styles of dump pouch. The EGL loppy is the only one I've found that fits all four of my requirements. YMMV. |
| CSM... look no further. Was issued one in the Marines and as a grunt, the drop pouch is your savior. For any long field op, for anyone living in their gear, the drop pouch is the end all of holding everything you could need. NVG's, eye pro, smokes, lead trace markers, chem lights, monsters, nalgenes, it all goes in there, and you know its safe with that neat draw string. it also folds up, which you will never use because of how useful the damn thing is. dont get in the habit of putting things in your cargo pockets, no one wants to move around with a mag, or really anything, in their pocket. You should train like you fight, yes, but your drop pouch isnt exactly a fighting item, more of an item to justmake life easier. you arent going to be worried about magazine retention in combat, but since combat is about 3% (thats a rough guess) of any of your actual deployment/time in gear, its best to set your gear up with some stuff that will actually come in handy. |
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I have the Tactical Tailor Roll-Up Dump Bag and I like it. I got it from LA Police Gear for $31.50 delivered.
Rolls up tight and small and opens very easily and is easy to stow the mags and they don't fall out. Attachment clips are included and attach easily and very secure (solid and tight). It looks good too. http://www.tacticaltailor.com/rollupdumpbag.aspx http://www.lapolicegear.com/tact-10056-rollup-dump.html |
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I like the BFG Ultralight. When it's stowed, you barely even notice it. Very light weight too. If you don't plan on always using one, it's nice since it is small, lightweight, and unobtrusive. That way you have one if you want to use it, but if not, you don't have something flopping around.
That being said, the one Raf linked is pretty nice. I like how it stows into that molle panel so you can piggy back a pouch over top of it. |
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