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Posted: 9/7/2009 11:36:05 AM EDT
| I recently traded for a metric fal, ordered a dsa scope mount for it, and put a fixed 6x nikon on it, havent shot it for groups yet, but was wondering what most people were getting for groups @ 100 yards with the rifle scoped. |
I've had very good results with several FAL's I've built. Bar none, the STG-58 wins hands down. The others are still capable of 1-2 MOA out to 600 meters.
STG-58 10 shot group 
IMBEL kit on IMBEL receiver 200 meters, South African ball 
L1A1 at 300 meters w/ Radway Green Bal and SUIT Sightl 
IMBEL receiver on a G1 kit.100 meters,hand loads. |
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Of my FAL's,using Lake City match, I have one consistent MOA or better heavy barrel. I have 2 STG's that run about 1-2", and 12 that run from 2"-3". All my builds have good barrels and are timed and headspaced dead on. Two of mine originally shot much worse, but I replaced the barrels with much better ones than came with the kits, and they tightened up.
All shoot considerably worse with other ammo. All mine shoot best with LC Match. Davesrb |
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Of my FAL's,using Lake City match, I have one consistent MOA or better heavy barrel. I have 2 STG's that run about 1-2", and 12 that run from 2"-3". All my builds have good barrels and are timed and headspaced dead on. Two of mine originally shot much worse, but I replaced the barrels with much better ones than came with the kits, and they tightened up. All shoot considerably worse with other ammo. All mine shoot best with LC Match. Davesrb Who built your rifles? DunkRD from falfiles perhaps? |
I bought 3 and built 3 myself.
| Ok, I'm not content with it yet, I don't expect sub MOA out of a rifle I bought, but would like to see sub 2 MOA consistantly, for some reason it dislikes 168gr A-max bullets, so I think I'm gonna load some 150s, also thinking of ditching the combo device in favor of a vortex for barrel harmonics, and probally a different trigger, what do the veteran FAL shooters think/reccomend? |
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Ok, I'm not content with it yet, I don't expect sub MOA out of a rifle I bought, but would like to see sub 2 MOA consistantly, for some reason it dislikes 168gr A-max bullets, so I think I'm gonna load some 150s, also thinking of ditching the combo device in favor of a vortex for barrel harmonics, and probally a different trigger, what do the veteran FAL shooters think/reccomend? I think that you are going to be disappointed if you expect less than 2 MOA from an F A L. Less than 3MOA consistently is a damned fine shooter in the F A L world. As already stated, the Austrian StG 58 barrels are hands down the most consistently accurate. Occasionally you can find an F A L that will cut the x out consistently, but it is a very rare animal. I have found that the StG 58 flash suppressors have the greatest probability of making an F A L shoot tighter groups than any other design. I cannot explain why, but this certainly has been the case with my F A Ls. |
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Like HBR said, you might be expecting too much.
But some things that might help- If it has a bipod, take it off and try again Keep trying different loads, you might find one that works Cut the barrel to 17 3/8 in, this may or may not improve accuracy, often it does Make sure the crown is good Make sure there is no wiggle room for the bolt when it is locked in the carrier Check headspace and tighten if needed Do not put pressure such as sand bags on the barrel when firing Some people report that some dwell (a small gap between the piston and the carrier) can improve accuracy |
| I've considered shortening the barrel, cutting a new crown, but I really didn't want to lose the velocity if I didn't have to. So you guys think the Vortex is a waste of time/money? What about the trigger? Not sure whose this rifle has, but it sucks a little, I've got sub 3" with some unidentifyable surplus crap, 07FLB83, 762x51, obviously not too terrible, but no clue as to whose it is, winchester factory 150 gr softpoints almost do that, and the 168 gr A-max handloads will go 4.5 +, this is all consistantly, the surplus has gone under 2" but only about half the time. |
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I tesred every muzzle device then available for accuracy inpact and came to the conclusion that the heavier, the better. Might be that the heavy mass way out there on the end of the barrel damppens barrel harmonics some. Posted about it here and on FalFiles long ago. The test did NOT eval flash reduction, simply accuracy.
Best was the Belgian combo device, very closely followed by the Stoll flash suppressor. The others were unsat compared to these two. Since the Belgie commbo device will accept a bayonet, AND I have a South African clip-on compensator unit for it (additional mass, plus reduced muzzle flip) , that was my choice. YMMV. |
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Not sure what type of groups my FAL will shoot , havnt really broke it in yet . But Ive been trying to decrap the barrel figuring it would help accuracy some. Is there a way to safely mount the sling to the standard metal hand guards to reduce stress on the barrel when shooting slinged?
Another place I see room for improvement is in the crappy rear sight being on a separate part of the gun then the front sight . Is there any way to correct this or at lest improve the situation ? The sight LOS is so close to the top of the gun I doubt you could mount it on a rail type dust cover , maybe build a dust cover integrated sight but then your talking about money that could be put to a better starting platform ........ |
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My Imbel metric FAL, with chrome lined barrel, will shoot just under 2 MOA using an ARMS mount and a Nikon fixed 4x scope. Ammo was Winchester 150 gr Silver Tip. I'll never sell it. Wish I could afford to shoot it more. you've probally got the most similar setup to mine, to update my quest, I've found that my rifle likes south african rather well, and wwb almost as well, I'm still thinking I need to load some 150 grain A-max bullets, and see if I can come up with something that shoots, and has good terminal performance, but the south african will get under 2 most of the time, and under 3 all of the time, but I'm still fighting the trigger, anyone got a line on who makes the best triggers? JKJ |
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I installed the Falcon Arms TPR Trigger Pull Reduction spring kit.
While I had it all apart I lightly stoned (by hand) the engagement surfaces on the fire control group. I also added a bit of grease to those surfaces as well. It made a great improvement in the trigger pull weight and crispness. However....I had to re-install the OEM hammer spring due to light primer strikes with the 7.62 NATO Lithuanian ammo. Now trigger is heavier but runs mil-spec ammo 100%. After all that I'd say my FAL has an OK trigger. Not real good, but good enough. You should really try to run some premium commercial ammo through it. You may be surprised how well it shoots for you. Especially with the 6x optic mounted. Let us know how it goes. Cheers, EMSflyer |
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I tesred every muzzle device then available for accuracy inpact and came to the conclusion that the heavier, the better. Might be that the heavy mass way out there on the end of the barrel damppens barrel harmonics some. Posted about it here and on FalFiles long ago. The test did NOT eval flash reduction, simply accuracy. Best was the Belgian combo device, very closely followed by the Stoll flash suppressor. The others were unsat compared to these two. Since the Belgie commbo device will accept a bayonet, AND I have a South African clip-on compensator unit for it (additional mass, plus reduced muzzle flip) , that was my choice. YMMV. Any more info on the clip on compensator? where can I find one? Also for general accuracy my rifles don't do much better than 4moa with irons benched or with a 4x suit. (could be me) |
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I actually could shoot a better group with the irons than the SUIT I tried
on my metric FAL. I don't think the eye position was well suited to me and the mount seemed solid in the receiver but I think the SUIT itself moves around on the base a little bit. Maybe mine was not a good example of the design. |
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I actually could shoot a better group with the irons than the SUIT I tried on my metric FAL. I don't think the eye position was well suited to me and the mount seemed solid in the receiver but I think the SUIT itself moves around on the base a little bit. Maybe mine was not a good example of the design. I think the suit is an ok battle opic especially in the 50's when it was designed. I think there are far better choices today. Also, that being said, I've never gotten my stg58 to make groups like the ones posted. its generally 3-4moa with south african. |
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