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Posted: 3/3/2009 9:36:59 AM EDT
| i have always wanted to get into the suppressed world, but im in the dark on attaining one legally. the only method i have known of was to have a the sheriff sign off on a form. i read on here that there is a "trust method". could somebody briefly explain these two methods and or turn me to where i should start looking into the legality of these issues. my one concern is that the local sheriff will not sign off on these froms(heard this through the grapevine). i just want to make sure that if i do go forward with getting one, that i am not doing anything illegal. any info would be greatly appreciated. |
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Do you know of a local dealer that could help you out? If so, I would talk to them as they are probably aware of the concerns you have. As for setting up a trust, look at the GENERAL CLASS III section here.
I see you are in Kentucky, if you aren't too far from me you are welcome to come up and shoot a few different options. I live about an hour north of Louisville. Happy Shootin' 
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Instead of listening to the grape vine, why don't you call the sheriff yourself? Just ask the person that picks up the phone if the sheriff will sign a form 4 (or form 1 if you plan to make your suppressor). That doesn't always work. When I called I was told to drop the forms off and he would sign them. When it actually came time for him to sign, he wanted to add a big list of "conditions" that myself and my home had to meet before he would sign. |
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A trust is sorta like a will , except you aren't dead.... The trust can own property, sell property, etc, but it's not a human being. You sign the trust and have it notarized. Maybe in KY you need to have it recorded at a court, maybe not. Once the trust is done, the trust buys the silencer. The trust has no fingerprints to verify, no background to check (no sheriff signature). You operate the trust, so you can use the trust's property.
Not too tough to get one started, most folks use a trust from Quicken WIllmaker...... Just lord help you use a short name for the farkin' trust! |
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i guess i didn't really phrase the question as well as i could have. "A Trust is an entity which owns assets for the benefit of a third person (beneficiary). A Living Trust is an effective way to provide lifetime and after-death property management and estate planning. When you set up a Living Trust, you are the Grantor; anyone you name within the Trust who will benefit from the assets in the Trust is a beneficiary. In addition to being the Grantor, you can also serve as your own Trustee (Original Trustee). As the Original Trustee, you can transfer legal ownership of your property to the Trust. This can save your estate from estate taxes when you die. Just remember that it does not alleviate your current income tax obligations."- http://definitions.uslegal.com/r/revocable-living-trust/
by this definition, wouldn't i technically be the grantor and the beneficiary? the next thing that i found was this. "Though a variety of trusts are permitted by law, trust arrangements that are attempts to evade creditors or lawful responsibilities will be declared void by the courts."- http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Trust basically my understanding of this is that i am the beneficiary???? the "trust" actually owns the suppressor and then am i also the grantor? |
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i guess i didn't really phrase the question as well as i could have. "A Trust is an entity which owns assets for the benefit of a third person (beneficiary). A Living Trust is an effective way to provide lifetime and after-death property management and estate planning. When you set up a Living Trust, you are the Grantor; anyone you name within the Trust who will benefit from the assets in the Trust is a beneficiary. In addition to being the Grantor, you can also serve as your own Trustee (Original Trustee). As the Original Trustee, you can transfer legal ownership of your property to the Trust. This can save your estate from estate taxes when you die. Just remember that it does not alleviate your current income tax obligations."- http://definitions.uslegal.com/r/revocable-living-trust/ by this definition, wouldn't i technically be the grantor and the beneficiary? the next thing that i found was this. "Though a variety of trusts are permitted by law, trust arrangements that are attempts to evade creditors or lawful responsibilities will be declared void by the courts."- http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Trust basically my understanding of this is that i am the beneficiary???? the "trust" actually owns the suppressor and then am i also the grantor? No, you are not the beneficiary. The beneficiary is the person that the items get transferred to when you die. You are the grantor. The trust owns the items and you have control of them as the grantor. When you fill out the form 4's, the trust name is listed as the owner, not your name. |
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In my County the Sherriff will sign the forms BUT calling on the phone is BAD ADVISE, they always tell you NO here because they don't know who's on the phone and it could be a reporter.
You have to go in in person and in most cases they will sign it, I went the Trust route because I don't need anyone else knowing my business. So I posted in on-line for the world to see. |
| ok cool....so on the form 4 the actual "owner" of the suppressor is the trust? and im assuming that you don't neccesarilly need a beneficiary? i have also heard about this "black list" so to speak that you get put on when you get a suppressor, what kind of truth is there to this? the reason i am asking so many questions is i am a criminal justice student, and i want to check out what i am getting into before i jump head first. i enjoy collecting firearms and accesories, but i also don't want to look like a hitman on my background investigations. i do really appreciate you guys putting up with all my fng questions. |
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ok cool....so on the form 4 the actual "owner" of the suppressor is the trust? and im assuming that you don't neccesarilly need a beneficiary? i have also heard about this "black list" so to speak that you get put on when you get a suppressor, what kind of truth is there to this? the reason i am asking so many questions is i am a criminal justice student, and i want to check out what i am getting into before i jump head first. i enjoy collecting firearms and accesories, but i also don't want to look like a hitman on my background investigations. i do really appreciate you guys putting up with all my fng questions. You must have a beneficiary to the trust, that is kind of the whole idea behind a trust. It is similar to a will. Black list...how the hell did you find out about it? Now I have to go put the tinfoil helmet back on. 
In all seriousness though, you are reading into this process too much. The black suburban won't be parked at the corner of your street, the BATFE won't come to your house and shoot your dog, and the black helicopters won't be circling your house  . When it comes right down to it, the .gov is only looking for $200 in tax revenue from you to own NFA items. The entire process boils down to one thing, money.
So what are you waiting for? Get out there and order a few cans. Do your part to stimulate the economy. 
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| I would advise you to continuing to research NFA ownership and when you can do the whole process(fill out forms,form trust,etc.) with out asking any questions you are most likely ready.When you feel comfortable enough to do it you will know.Use the crap out of the search engines on all of the nfa websites(silencer research,silencer talk,subguns,etc.). |
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Here's a guide you might find helpful; it's presented over at silencer research. http://www.silencerresearch.com/Silencerguide.pdf |
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