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8/25/2013 7:44:06 PM EDT
Anyone loading small primed .45?

What load adjustments between large and small primed?

Current load: 200gr. plated SWC over 5 gr. Titegroup. CCI primers.

Suggestions/comments appreciated.

BGF
8/25/2013 8:04:31 PM EDT
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i run the same loads with small and large primer and see very little to no difference.
8/25/2013 9:54:03 PM EDT
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Shoot them all the time, no load adjustment.  They run great in my 1911s, no difference from LP primers.
8/25/2013 11:55:05 PM EDT
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I never knew there was a small primer cases for 45.

Is there any advantage?
8/26/2013 12:02:31 AM EDT
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I load them the same as well.
8/26/2013 12:10:03 AM EDT
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Wait until you're cranking out loads with large primers and a small primer case is mixed in.
8/26/2013 12:23:06 AM EDT
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same load.
8/26/2013 2:29:04 AM EDT
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I never knew there was a small primer cases for 45.

Is there any advantage?


Wait until you're cranking out loads with large primers and a small primer case is mixed in.


Sounds exciting.

My brass reserves are plentiful but I'll have to keep an eye on that when I get my cases back from shooting a stage.

Sounds like someone just decided to screw with me by making small primer cases.  I can't think of a single advantage.
8/26/2013 2:34:26 AM EDT
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I never knew there was a small primer cases for 45.

Is there any advantage?


Wait until you're cranking out loads with large primers and a small primer case is mixed in.



Every time this happens I wish a curse on whoever decided this was a good idea.
8/26/2013 5:55:10 AM EDT
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Same here.  Loaded to max with both kinds.
8/26/2013 10:12:28 AM EDT
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One advantage is that I don't have to change my primer set up as often. The only thing I load at present that takes a large primer is 45 ACP.  Small primer ACP is a welcome change.
8/26/2013 10:17:44 AM EDT
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I have also noticed some .45 brass has huge flash holes................
8/26/2013 10:19:52 AM EDT
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That started with that "WIN CLEAN" ammo back in the 90s.  Monster flash holes.

They still work though.. so I don't pitch them out.
8/26/2013 2:45:08 PM EDT
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Thanks to the hive for the input.

BGF
8/26/2013 6:25:14 PM EDT
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I never knew there was a small primer cases for 45.

Is there any advantage?


Wait until you're cranking out loads with large primers and a small primer case is mixed in.

That's why I deprime and check the primer hole with the end of a 13/64 drill bit to sort out the small ones.
8/26/2013 6:42:24 PM EDT
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Keep it the same .
And shoot them at the range

Take ten rounds with the same powder and bullet (dif primer)
Shoot five shot groups at the same distance with large and small see if there is and change






Boom just like that your done.... Thats all i got i done have a crono
8/26/2013 7:29:16 PM EDT
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Sounds exciting.

My brass reserves are plentiful but I'll have to keep an eye on that when I get my cases back from shooting a stage.

Sounds like someone just decided to screw with me by making small primer cases.  I can't think of a single advantage.
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I never knew there was a small primer cases for 45.

Is there any advantage?


Wait until you're cranking out loads with large primers and a small primer case is mixed in.


Sounds exciting.

My brass reserves are plentiful but I'll have to keep an eye on that when I get my cases back from shooting a stage.

Sounds like someone just decided to screw with me by making small primer cases.  I can't think of a single advantage.


I just let my squad know I am shooting SP brass. When they pick up their 45 brass, they collect most of mine and give it back. No more brass chicken bobbing for me!
8/27/2013 5:22:25 AM EDT
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Did any of you see that BLUE PRESS article where the old timer blew his primer system into the roof because he hit a small pistol primer case in his large primer batch?  

How frickin hard are you seating primers to do that?  Shoot... I can feel and stop priming when I hit a missed crimp.
8/27/2013 5:57:57 AM EDT
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I ALWAYS inspect all my cases before even starting to process them, so I catch small primer .45 cases pretty well.  It's not a bugaboo if you pay attention.

The ammo makers found that A) it was easier to only have one "clean" primer, B) there was no ballistic disadvantage to using that one primer in traditionally large primer rounds, and C) since they aren't worried about reloaders, there's no reason for them to care about "confusion."

ALWAYS CAREFULLY INSPECT ALL OF YOUR BRASS, EVERY TIME.  That keeps you from wasting effort on crap cases, but it also helps you keep from hurting yourself.
8/27/2013 6:31:32 AM EDT
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Did any of you see that BLUE PRESS article where the old timer blew his primer system into the roof because he hit a small pistol primer case in his large primer batch?  

How frickin hard are you seating primers to do that?  Shoot... I can feel and stop priming when I hit a missed crimp.
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Pretty easy to do when your cranking at 700-900 rounds per hour on a Dillon 650.
8/27/2013 6:40:40 AM EDT
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I can't remember which machine Pappy was using.  Smashed and poorly seated primers is why I got away from priming on my Dillon.. never had one go bang though.

I just sort them out after SS media tumble, then run them accordingly. ... then they all get lumped back together in a 762 ammo can.
8/27/2013 7:15:40 AM EDT
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Pretty easy to do when your cranking at 700-900 rounds per hour on a Dillon 650.
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Did any of you see that BLUE PRESS article where the old timer blew his primer system into the roof because he hit a small pistol primer case in his large primer batch?  

How frickin hard are you seating primers to do that?  Shoot... I can feel and stop priming when I hit a missed crimp.


Pretty easy to do when your cranking at 700-900 rounds per hour on a Dillon 650.


My arm and shoulder would be jelly if I loaded that fast. I never get in any big hurry.
8/27/2013 7:43:47 AM EDT
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If being frustrating is considered an advantage for a reloader, then yes...

Otherwise, they were introduced for "green" lead-free primers and I think they have become more common from there.

As for reloading them, I just seperate them out and run a batch of 1-2k when I have enough build up. I use the same charges.
8/27/2013 7:46:14 AM EDT
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I kick out 500 at most in one sitting and am starting to go batty.

Never used the 650 though... just the 550b
8/27/2013 8:01:09 AM EDT
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I kick out 500 at most in one sitting and am starting to go batty.

Never used the 650 though... just the 550b
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My arm and shoulder would be jelly if I loaded that fast. I never get in any big hurry.


I kick out 500 at most in one sitting and am starting to go batty.

Never used the 650 though... just the 550b


That's pretty damn fast for a 550.

I crank up the music and hit that 650 like a tard on a drum set til I'm out of primer tubes.

I do take my time with the rifle ammo, especially with case prep, but pistol ammo is high speed quick and dirty.
8/27/2013 8:25:01 AM EDT
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Between Winchester LP, Winchester SPM, and CCI SPMs, the 4" plate @25 yards still rings each time for me with no load adjustment.

That being said, I stopped loading the small-primered stuff.
8/27/2013 8:57:21 AM EDT
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SPP .45 acp is the worst idea ever thought of by ammo mfgers. Really messes things up for reloaders. I thought we had SAAMI spec for a reason?
8/27/2013 11:08:29 AM EDT
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I used to just recycle it... but I started getting so much, I had to run it.

I don't mind sorting it too much.  I just hate changing primer systems on my Big Boss 2.  Those small primers are the ONLY reason I can't leave the large primer hardware in place.
8/27/2013 5:08:16 PM EDT
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One advantage is that I don't have to change my primer set up as often. The only thing I load at present that takes a large primer is 45 ACP.  Small primer ACP is a welcome change.
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I only load .223, 9mm and .45. Small primer .45 is a welcome change for me..

 
8/27/2013 5:12:55 PM EDT
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Causes no problems for me.  I sort my range pick up brass and the LPP brass goes into the trade bin.  The SPP brass gets loaded.  

 
8/28/2013 4:06:16 AM EDT
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I only load .223, 9mm and .45. Small primer .45 is a welcome change for me..  
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I only load .223, 9mm and .45. Small primer .45 is a welcome change for me..  


I only have SP 45.  Will take any that folks out there don't want!  Also only load them and 9MM with Remmy 61/2's.  Nobody wants those either.  It is a win/win for me!  Have to admit I do have one package of LP primers but those I bought by accident mixed in with LR primers so I can plug the hole in a 45LP if I snag any.
8/28/2013 4:56:45 AM EDT
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All of our frangible ammunition is SPP. I think it's just a cost saving measure.
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