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Posted: 6/18/2010 4:30:09 AM EDT
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I know that any gun made w/ intention to export to US is includes a location of mfg marking as well as a SN. But maybe a foreign gun that was not originally intended for US market wouldn't bother with that.
Or course, any time a NFA item is "made" from an extant firearm, wherever it came from, would have to have the maker's name & city. But what if a NFA item that was not originally made w/ intention to be exported to the us, one that only had a SN for markings, was somehow legally imported or brought into the US, already in NFA condition and then added to the registry, would it have to have some additional engraving added to it or would it simply have been registered w/ its original serial number? |
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I know that any gun made w/ intention to export to US is includes a location of mfg marking as well as a SN. But maybe a foreign gun that was not originally intended for US market wouldn't bother with that. Or course, any time a NFA item is "made" from an extant firearm, wherever it came from, would have to have the maker's name & city. But what if a NFA item that was not originally made w/ intention to be exported to the us, one that only had a SN for markings, was somehow legally imported or brought into the US, already in NFA condition and then added to the registry, would it have to have some additional engraving added to it or would it simply have been registered w/ its original serial number? foriegn mfgrs can do whatever they want as they don't have to adhere to US law whenever a gun is legally imported then the importer has to mark their name city & state (and SN if none is marked to US spec) .. so even if an otherwise sterile gun existed it will get marked once it enters the country if was already an NFA item at the time of importation then it would be restricted to dealer sales samples and NOT a transferrable item. |
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I know that any gun made w/ intention to export to US is includes a location of mfg marking as well as a SN. But maybe a foreign gun that was not originally intended for US market wouldn't bother with that. Or course, any time a NFA item is "made" from an extant firearm, wherever it came from, would have to have the maker's name & city. But what if a NFA item that was not originally made w/ intention to be exported to the us, one that only had a SN for markings, was somehow legally imported or brought into the US, already in NFA condition and then added to the registry, would it have to have some additional engraving added to it or would it simply have been registered w/ its original serial number? foriegn mfgrs can do whatever they want as they don't have to adhere to US law whenever a gun is legally imported then the importer has to mark their name city & state (and SN if none is marked to US spec) .. so even if an otherwise sterile gun existed it will get marked once it enters the country if was already an NFA item at the time of importation then it would be restricted to dealer sales samples and NOT a transferrable item. What if it were not a MG or were brought into the US before 86? |
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I know that any gun made w/ intention to export to US is includes a location of mfg marking as well as a SN. But maybe a foreign gun that was not originally intended for US market wouldn't bother with that. Or course, any time a NFA item is "made" from an extant firearm, wherever it came from, would have to have the maker's name & city. But what if a NFA item that was not originally made w/ intention to be exported to the us, one that only had a SN for markings, was somehow legally imported or brought into the US, already in NFA condition and then added to the registry, would it have to have some additional engraving added to it or would it simply have been registered w/ its original serial number? foriegn mfgrs can do whatever they want as they don't have to adhere to US law whenever a gun is legally imported then the importer has to mark their name city & state (and SN if none is marked to US spec) .. so even if an otherwise sterile gun existed it will get marked once it enters the country if was already an NFA item at the time of importation then it would be restricted to dealer sales samples and NOT a transferrable item. What if it were not a MG or were brought into the US before 86? Cut-off for civilian ownership of foreign made MG's was 1968 - domestic 1986.. |
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I know that any gun made w/ intention to export to US is includes a location of mfg marking as well as a SN. But maybe a foreign gun that was not originally intended for US market wouldn't bother with that. ...ber? foriegn mfgrs can do whatever they want as they don't have to adhere to US law when...item at the time of importation then it would be restricted to dealer sales samples and NOT a transferrable item. What if it were not a MG or were brought into the US before 86? Cut-off for civilian ownership of foreign made MG's was 1968 - domestic 1986.. That's good to know. Thanks |
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AFT Form 6
Apparently, these are all called "Importation" The form 6 apparently covers every circumstance besides the war trophy issue. -An importer can import for resale -a FFL can "occasionally" import for his own use or for another individual in his state but not for resale -an american who has been living in a permanent residence abroad and who is returning to the US to live can bring personally owned gun back w/ him for his own use. -An alien immigrating to the US can bring the gun w/ him at the time of his immigration. -service man stationed abroad for 60 days prior to date of importation can bring a "sporting type" firearm back with him -alien wanting to bring guns just to have w/ him for a visit to the US needs form 6 approval and will be granted permit. No permit is required if the guns are specifically for some intended hunting or sporting event. In either case, the gun has to leave the country w/ said alien when he goes back home. |
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So, what if before the GCA, an serviceman who had been stationed abroad or a citizen who had been living abroad "imported" a NFA item when he returned to the US for his own personal use.
Could said item have been brought in & registered w/ its SN w/o having to have additional engraving added? |
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So, what if before the GCA, an serviceman who had been stationed abroad or a citizen who had been living abroad "imported" a NFA item when he returned to the US for his own personal use. Could said item have been brought in & registered w/ its SN w/o having to have additional engraving added? When the GCA was passed in 1968, there was a 60-day amnesty window to register unregistered NFA items. Once that window closed, that was it as far as imported NFA goes. Prior to the passage of GCA, there was no legal requirement for manufacturers to mark their guns at all –– in fact, many shotguns and rimfire rifles built prior to GCA '68 did not even have serial numbers. Items registered during the 60-day amnesty window were not required to be engraved, unless they did not have a serial number. In that case, the IRS (ATF's predecessor) assigned a serial number, and you had to engrave it. But there was no requirement that you engrave anything else. All new firearms manufactured after the effective date of GCA '68 had to be marked with the manufacturer's name/city/state. And a serial number, of course. |
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So, what if before the GCA, an serviceman who had been stationed abroad or a citizen who had been living abroad "imported" a NFA item when he returned to the US for his own personal use. Could said item have been brought in & registered w/ its SN w/o having to have additional engraving added? When the GCA was passed in 1968, there was a 60-day amnesty window to register unregistered NFA items. Once that window closed, that was it as far as imported NFA goes. Prior to the passage of GCA, there was no legal requirement for manufacturers to mark their guns at all –– in fact, many shotguns and rimfire rifles built prior to GCA '68 did not even have serial numbers. Items registered during the 60-day amnesty window were not required to be engraved, unless they did not have a serial number. In that case, the IRS (ATF's predecessor) assigned a serial number, and you had to engrave it. But there was no requirement that you engrave anything else. All new firearms manufactured after the effective date of GCA '68 had to be marked with the manufacturer's name/city/state. And a serial number, of course. So the 60 day amnesty was for unregistered NFA items that were not already registered, largely for war trophies that were smuggled back to US. But before '68 could a guy have legally imported a NFA item, one that ONLY had a SN, perhaps w/ a dealer's assistance, & registered it all on the up & up? |
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So, what if before the GCA, an serviceman who had been stationed abroad or a citizen who had been living abroad "imported" a NFA item when he returned to the US for his own personal use. Could said item have been brought in & registered w/ its SN w/o having to have additional engraving added? When the GCA was passed in 1968, there was a 60-day amnesty window to register unregistered NFA items. Once that window closed, that was it as far as imported NFA goes. Prior to the passage of GCA, there was no legal requirement for manufacturers to mark their guns at all –– in fact, many shotguns and rimfire rifles built prior to GCA '68 did not even have serial numbers. Items registered during the 60-day amnesty window were not required to be engraved, unless they did not have a serial number. In that case, the IRS (ATF's predecessor) assigned a serial number, and you had to engrave it. But there was no requirement that you engrave anything else. All new firearms manufactured after the effective date of GCA '68 had to be marked with the manufacturer's name/city/state. And a serial number, of course. 30 days, Tony, 30........................I know because I papered an MP40 during that amnesty and a good friend registered a carbine conversion as well. Another papered an 08/15. ANyway, that time frame as spelled out on form 4467 was from Nov. 2 thru 12/01..'68. 
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So, what if before the GCA, an serviceman who had been stationed abroad or a citizen who had been living abroad "imported" a NFA item when he returned to the US for his own personal use. Could said item have been brought in & registered w/ its SN w/o having to have additional engraving added? When the GCA was passed in 1968, there was a 60-day amnesty window to register unregistered NFA items. Once that window closed, that was it as far as imported NFA goes. Prior to the passage of GCA, there was no legal requirement for manufacturers to mark their guns at all –– in fact, many shotguns and rimfire rifles built prior to GCA '68 did not even have serial numbers. Items registered during the 60-day amnesty window were not required to be engraved, unless they did not have a serial number. In that case, the IRS (ATF's predecessor) assigned a serial number, and you had to engrave it. But there was no requirement that you engrave anything else. All new firearms manufactured after the effective date of GCA '68 had to be marked with the manufacturer's name/city/state. And a serial number, of course. 30 days, Tony, 30........................I know because I papered an MP40 during that amnesty and a good friend registered a carbine conversion as well. Another papered an 08/15. ANyway, that time frame as spelled out on form 4467 was from Nov. 2 thru 12/01..'68. And 42 years later, its still hanging on the wall at my local post office..... 
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what brought about the MG part of the 1968 gun control act? i've herd that Kennedy getting shot was part of the reason for the act in general but who thought it was a good idea to mess with NFA stuff? The Gun Control Act of 1968 was when Congress created and introduced the concept of the "sporting use" test for importation of firearms. Once the bill was signed into law, ATF wrote the specifics to implement the law, published them as required, and they then were codified as federal law in the United States Code (18 USC 922). ATF stated that no NFA items meet the "sporting use" test and thus are not legal for importation. Thus, since 1968 it has been illegal to import any NFA –– MGs, suppressors, SBRs, SBS's, AOWs and Destructive Devices –– for civilian ownership. Only FFL/SOTs and military/LE may own NFA imported after the effective date. |
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High profile assassinations and the general left wing attitude prevalent at the time was a substantial part of the '68 act. A lot of other factors played into the situation such as "protectionist" legislation to stem the tide of military imports that were severely impacting domestic firearms manufacture...................Why machineguns? Well, for one thing they make an easy target as they've been so thoroughly demonized by the press, too it was an opportunity to regulate and bring under the NFA other weapons that until that point had not been such as light artillery, mortars, anti tank guns and so on. Essentially the '68 act forbade most if not all military imports for civilian consumption. Further, for you younger fellas, until the FOPA passed a lot of other provisions were even more trying, such as the ammo restrictions, even with the Hughes amendment, the circumstances today are much relieved from those that existed under the initial draconian '68 act
Truly tho, you had to live in the times to appreciate the frenzy that existed. Social turmoil was rampant and some of the more urban areas began to resemble war zones, the 'anti's' took advantage of the situation and you got the '68 act. |
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