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Posted: 10/31/2008 6:31:30 AM EDT
| I am going to load either 165 gr nosler or 165 sst in the hornady. I usually use IMR powder and it shows 4064. I was looking in a speer reloading manual and it shows using Hodgen h380 but i do not show that on their website. Does anyone know about this or have any suggestions. |
| i use rcbs full length dies. i think the third shell jammed because of a spur around the neck. there are no dents in the casings or on the neck so that is the only reason i can see it jammed or maybe the bullet is a little further out than it should be. I stripped the gun down last night and gave it a good cleaning and plan on shooting it tomorrow at some point to try the bullets loaded with 41 gr. I am borrowing a set of calipers this evening and will check to see to see the length. I will post tomorrow about the results. the spur i mentioned earlier i cannot figure out where it came from. I debur all of my shells the spur is bending out on the edge of the neck right where the bullet goes in any idea what might of caused it. i know there is not dents on the casing i checked them after i fired them just the 1 that got jammed had the spur |
| i am going to use this gun for deer hunting. i have used the sst's in a 300 win mag and a 30-06 and had good performance out of the bullet. i have never used hodgdon powder before i have some the h380. varget i am assuming it is pretty good powder for this load. |
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168 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon Varget .308" 2.800" 42.0 2520 41,200 CUP 46.0C 2731 50,600 CUP
http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp what is your rifle ?? i run the same load with Varget 44.5 but i use a mag primer instead of a 210 on IMR 4064 43.0 TS2 Quoted:
Varget and the 168 Amax is amazing. But 44.5 is over max in my rifle. AL |
| if you use h380 do you have to use magnum primers? the manual i have says they used cci magnum primers. I loaded 4 shells with imr 4064. the shells will not load like the manual says or imr's website there is too much powder in the casing to seal. it says that a compressed load is around 47 gr i would have to look at my book to make sure. I had to drop the powder down to 42 gr to get the bullet to seat. when i put the shell in the clip has plenty of room in from the tip of the bullet to the edge of the clip now i have a real problem. i fed the shell in to make sure it would load and eject and now the shell is stuck in the gun and the charger handle will not pull back acts like it is stuck so now what do i do. |
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Hello,
reading through your post here im trying to figure out just what you are working with . it's always better when you post questions to list as much informaition as you can . list the rifle and model , if you are asking about reloading you need to list all of the components , case make , primer brand, bullet make and weight and the powder that you will be using and the charge weight that you are using or asking about a charge weight . so it sounds like you have a live round in your chamber if so and you cant not get the charging handle to come back to extract the round , take the rifle outside in the yard and while pulling down on the charging handle slam the butt of the rifle in the ground and it should extract the round , sometimes you have to slam it down a couple of times no biggie you will not hurt anything . TS2 Quoted:
if you use h380 do you have to use magnum primers? the manual i have says they used cci magnum primers. I loaded 4 shells with imr 4064. the shells will not load like the manual says or imr's website there is too much powder in the casing to seal. it says that a compressed load is around 47 gr i would have to look at my book to make sure. I had to drop the powder down to 42 gr to get the bullet to seat. when i put the shell in the clip has plenty of room in from the tip of the bullet to the edge of the clip now i have a real problem. i fed the shell in to make sure it would load and eject and now the shell is stuck in the gun and the charger handle will not pull back acts like it is stuck so now what do i do. |
| i am using once fired federal brass and new remington brass. using cci large rifle primers, imr 4064 powder and hornady 165 sst bullets but the max load which is supposed to be a compressed load that i got off of imr's website will not even closely fit in the casing with the bullet. the max load is 46.3 and the min is 42. i ended up putting 42.1 and that is still tuff to get the bullet to seat where the belt is around the bullet. i just cannot figure out what the problem is. i have loaded several .243, 30-06,22-250 and 300 win mag and have never had a problem i never load the max i always drop it back around 1 gn. the rifle i am loading for is a remingington r-25. |
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Hello,
after reading where you loaded the other calibers then i can assume that you know what you are doing ,, when it comes to reloading 
so lets move on ,, on your rifle is it new , if so how many rounds fired and did you use a factory round or a reload ?? on my DPMS LR308 i have over 1k through it all handloads , when i first got it the chamber seemed alittle tight with my handloads i use the same round in three rifles one semi and two bolt rifles . i polished the chamber with chrome polish i use on my bikes. i used a cleaning rod and a drill gave it a good 15 minute polish and clean , polish and clean that seemed to do my chamber alot of good i also ran my bolt carrier group pretty wet for the first couple hundred rounds through the rifle . you may want to consider doing this to yours .. on your reloads i would check the case spec's out after you ran them through and trimmed to specs and see where they are at comming out of your die . on your reload that sounds like a good round i would start with this and go from there and see how well the rifle / load / combo works out . IMR 4064 42.0 to 43.0 hornady 165 sst cci large rifle primer with a aol of 2790 to 2800 this load should perform good in any 308 . if i can help further just drop me a line TS2 Quoted:
i am using once fired federal brass and new remington brass. using cci large rifle primers, imr 4064 powder and hornady 165 sst bullets but the max load which is supposed to be a compressed load that i got off of imr's website will not even closely fit in the casing with the bullet. the max load is 46.3 and the min is 42. i ended up putting 42.1 and that is still tuff to get the bullet to seat where the belt is around the bullet. i just cannot figure out what the problem is. i have loaded several .243, 30-06,22-250 and 300 win mag and have never had a problem i never load the max i always drop it back around 1 gn. the rifle i am loading for is a remingington r-25. |
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My rifle is a LR308 with A3 Upper and 24inch SS barrel. It had a tight chamber and I have polished it up now is fine. I was getting an average of2710 fps with 43grn of Varget and still had swipes and slight cratering in primers. Every charge weight I tried shot sub inch at 80 yards. Remington brass caused me a lot of problems ill never use it again.
AL |
| that is about what i am getting in the case is 42 gr but i just do not understand why speers manual or imr's website shows 46 gr. this will not fit in the case maybe on a bolt i guess if you leave the bullet out and run it right to the edge of the rifleing. but thanks for the help i will try the 42 gr and see what happens any more input on the matter would be greatly appreciated. |
| Many effective powders are available for your 308. As you are using a heavier midweight bullet - Varget, H4895, BLC-2, AA2230 would be good choices. Faster powder such as the H380 or H335 for lighter bullet is the way I prefer to go. Case choice will impact your powder capacity with the Nato spec brass such as Lake City holding a bit less than some commercial thinner brass - which is why you should back off the powder load a bit for Mil Spec brass. I use CCI #34's - which mirror a mag primer heat range. Tyoically 42.5 to 44 shoots the best for me. |
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165 GR. HDY SP IMR 4320 .308" 2.750" 43.0 2536 46,900 PSI 46.5C 2730 58,400 PSI
165 GR. HDY SP IMR 4064 .308" 2.750" 42.0 2554 47,700 PSI 46.3C 2767 59,700 PSI 165 GR. HDY SP IMR 4895 .308" 2.750" 42.7 2584 49,200 PSI 45.5C 2745 58,800 PSI 165 GR. HDY SP IMR 3031 .308" 2.750" 39.1 2537 49,600 PSI 41.6 2697 59,800 PSI Hello, from looking at the data above and trying to make you a good all around hunting round i wouldnt be concerned about pushing them at the upper limit but somewhere in the middle on the fps chart . if you get you a good load going around 2650 fps that should meet all of your needs . one thing that you havent mention in any of your replies is your aol of your handloads if you are trying to fill 46.0 grn in a case then make a aol at 2750 to 2780 then yes you are compressing the loads pretty good . this chart is in your range but you cam tweak it here just fill in your data for your drop if you need to know . TS2 http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/calculations/traj_card/traj_card.html Hornady, .308 dia. 165 gr. SST MV: 2650 ft/s CH: 10 ft WS: 5 mph TS: 10 mph T: 60 °F PC: 29.92 in Hg H: 0% A: 0 ft SH: 1.5 in SO: 0 in ZH: 0 in LOS: 0° Range Drop Wind Lead (yds) (1/4 in clicks) (1/4 in clicks) (1/4 in clicks) (1/4 in clicks) (1/4 in clicks) (1/4 in clicks) 100 -0.0 -0.0 1.6 1.6 82.7 82.7 200 -8.5 -8.5 3.3 3.3 86.1 86.1 300 -20.4 -20.4 5.1 5.1 89.8 89.8 350 -27.2 -27.2 6.1 6.1 91.8 91.8 400 -34.4 -34.4 7.2 7.2 93.8 93.8 450 -42.2 -42.2 8.2 8.2 95.9 95.9 500 -50.4 -50.4 9.3 9.3 98.2 98.2 525 -54.8 -54.8 9.9 9.9 99.3 99.3 550 -59.3 -59.3 10.5 10.5 100.5 100.5 575 -63.9 -63.9 11.1 11.1 101.7 101.7 600 -68.7 -68.7 11.7 11.7 102.9 102.9 625 -73.7 -73.7 12.3 12.3 104.2 104.2 650 -78.8 -78.8 13.0 13.0 105.4 105.4 675 -84.2 -84.2 13.6 13.6 106.7 106.7 700 -89.7 -89.7 14.3 14.3 108.1 108.1 725 -95.3 -95.3 15.0 15.0 109.4 109.4 750 -101.2 -101.2 15.6 15.6 110.8 110.8 775 -107.3 -107.3 16.3 16.3 112.2 112.2 800 -113.6 -113.6 17.0 17.0 113.6 113.6 Quoted:
that is about what i am getting in the case is 42 gr but i just do not understand why speers manual or imr's website shows 46 gr. this will not fit in the case maybe on a bolt i guess if you leave the bullet out and run it right to the edge of the rifleing. but thanks for the help i will try the 42 gr and see what happens any more input on the matter would be greatly appreciated. |
| I tried the 5 shells i had loaded with the 42 grain and the 3rd shell jammed so i reduced the load by 1 grain tonight loading 41 grains of the imr 4064. I will try these 5 out on saturday to see how they shoot at 100 yds. i am wanting to get the most out of the bullet to hunt that i can do you think i should go to 41.5. at 41 the bullet goes into the casing and seats tight feels like the bullet is just reaching the powder at 42 gr had a little resistance the final1/8 to finish seating the bullet. |
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Load for accuracy first. All the velocity in the world means nothing if you miss your target.
ETA: Why did the 3rd cartridge jam? Powder in a case does not prevent it from chambering. Check to see if you collapsed the case shoulder during the crimp operation. If that is happening, don't crimp. I've never crimped for my 308 AR style rifles and never had a problem. |
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Hello,
what dies are you using to reload with ?? it sounds like you do not have the dies adjusted right . ive loaded tons of IMR 4064 in 308 caliber do you have a set of calipers?? here is the specs on three bullets as you can see the 165 SST is longer than both of the 168 match bullets Hornady 165 SST 1.270 Hornady 168 BTHP Match 1.230 Sierra 168 MatchKing 1.205 i load the following 308's 150 Hornady sst 155 Sierra Palma 155 Lapua Scenar 165 Hornady sst 168 Hornady Match 168 Sierra Matchkings 175 Sierra Matchkings 178 Hornady Amax TS2 Quoted:
Load for accuracy first. All the velocity in the world means nothing if you miss your target. ETA: Why did the 3rd cartridge jam? Powder in a case does not prevent it from chambering. Check to see if you collapsed the case shoulder during the crimp operation. If that is happening, don't crimp. I've never crimped for my 308 AR style rifles and never had a problem. |
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......but i just do not understand why speers manual or imr's website shows 46 gr. this will not fit in the case maybe on a bolt i guess if you leave the bullet out and run it right to the edge of the rifleing.
ME, I don't like compressed loads and don't like having to use "special technique(s)" just to get some loaded ammo. I would rather switch my powder and move on. What you do, or don't do, is up to you. Aloha, Mark PS.........It's one of the Facts of Life. The people who put out the web data and manuals have their own criteria as to what they believe is safe for you. Not to mention that sometimes different equipment and/or components are used. YMWV. Thus the advice to, "start low and work your way up." BTW, my SPEER Manual #10 says max. 45.0 gr. of IMR4064 w/ their 165 gr. grand slam. |
| well i loaded some shells this weekend. still not as tight as the factory federal soft points but i guess good enough to hunt. loaded 42 gr, imr 4064 cci primers and 165 sst. I do see one problem and am not real sure what caused it. first shot shoots 1" high, next shot raises about 1/4 " and to the left about 1/4" and this goes all the way to the 5 th shot when i quit. Each shot is raising which i know when the barrel gets hot it will raise but i started shooting when the barrel was cool and it never really got hot and i have never had a rifle start shooting left as it went up. Any ideas I did notice the butt stock was a little loose could that have caused it? |
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Shooting an R-25?
The cold bore, clean bore shot can be expected to fall outside the group where the following shots land. But this sounds as if you have a vertical stringing problem, too. These 1/4 inch excursions aren't real large, and there's probably something simple that you're doing (or not doing). What did you use for a rest? Did you put the rifle on the rest the same for each shot? Are you using a scope that will hold zero? Is there scope parallax at the distance you're shooting? How loose is the butt stock? That will have the same effect as poor bedding in a bolt gun. |
| using bi pods and sand bags. using burris targets witht he diamonds and in the center of the diamond is a circle holding on the circle. the stock was loose enough that it would twist a little when i grabbed it. i took it off to make sure something else was not wrong but did not see anything and it retightend tight. the scope i have on the gun is a bushnell dusk to dawn 6x24x40 milidot |
| Having loaded the .308 for 43 years I began with IMR 4064 and haven't changed my mind yet. However, Varget is superior with 150 - 155 grain bullets, and IMR 4895 isn't too bad either. R 15 and W748 also will give excellent results. More important is to pick a good bullet for it's intended use. The two best hunting bullets are the Nosler Accubond and the Swift A-Frame, there is only one all around weight for the .308 and that is the 165 for game. |
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