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Posted: 8/24/2009 12:02:26 PM EDT
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hi all
was thinking about getting a shotgun. mostly for home defense but also for fun. i am debating between the mossberg 590 and a remmy 870. probably will put a collapable stock on it eventually. is one a more reliable than the other? are they worth their prices? Thanks |
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I have an 870 Express and recently sold off my Mossberg 590. I had a 500 at one time. I also have a Winchester 1300. The Winchester and Remington are great. The Mossbergs seem pretty reliable but are clunky in comparison, just my opinion.
I think you can get the Winchester for around the same price as the 870. I would also avoid collapsing or folding stocks. I have a factory pistol grip stock on my Remington 1100, its great but thats the only good luck Ive had when deviating from standard configurations, my SPAS 12 is the exception because of the novelty aspect. |
| I own the 590A1, and the 870P they are both reliable. The 870 is the more versatile, but the 590 is a dedicated combat shotgun. I prefer the action, and light weight of the Mossberg, however the fit, and finish of an 870 will beat a Mossberg. Overall its going to boil down to your own personal preference, and what you intend to do with it. If your looking for a shotgun that can do it all from hunting to home defense then get the 870. If you want a dedicated home defense/combat shotgun then get the 590. |
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The 870 is more versatile.Wingmaster is the way to go, express models are built to a price point, and it shows. Or you have the "Police" model. A lot like the Wingmaster plus a few extra hardened parts for when the going gets tough. Here in the upper midwest 870s are about the only shotgun you'll see in squads. Put a longer barrel on it with screw in chokes and you have a perfectly good game gun. |
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The 870 is more versatile.Wingmaster is the way to go, express models are built to a price point, and it shows. Or you have the "Police" model. A lot like the Wingmaster plus a few extra hardened parts for when the going gets tough. Here in the upper midwest 870s are about the only shotgun you'll see in squads. Put a longer barrel on it with screw in chokes and you have a perfectly good game gun. The Police model is more of a status symbol; an Express will last just as long. Other than a milled extractor, heavier springs, finish, and quality control there's little difference between an Express, and Police. |
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They're both great guns. I prefer the controls on the 590 to those on the 870. Whichever one you decide to get; don't put a collapsible stock on it. I have a Knox spec-ops stock on my 870P; which I'm going to replace with a field stock next month. Collapsible pistol griped stocks aren't that great on pump shotguns in my opinion since they increase the length between your body, and the forend. They also seem to put more weight on the forend for me. On semi-auto shotguns this isn't as much of a problem since the forend is much closer. |
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The 870 is more versatile.Wingmaster is the way to go, express models are built to a price point, and it shows. Or you have the "Police" model. A lot like the Wingmaster plus a few extra hardened parts for when the going gets tough. Here in the upper midwest 870s are about the only shotgun you'll see in squads. Put a longer barrel on it with screw in chokes and you have a perfectly good game gun. The Police model is more of a status symbol; an Express will last just as long. Other than a milled extractor, heavier springs, finish, and quality control there's little difference between an Express, and Police. If the gun is going to be used for home defense I put a higher priority on the quality control factor you appear to be dismissing. |
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The 870 is more versatile.Wingmaster is the way to go, express models are built to a price point, and it shows. Or you have the "Police" model. A lot like the Wingmaster plus a few extra hardened parts for when the going gets tough. Here in the upper midwest 870s are about the only shotgun you'll see in squads. Put a longer barrel on it with screw in chokes and you have a perfectly good game gun. The Police model is more of a status symbol; an Express will last just as long. Other than a milled extractor, heavier springs, finish, and quality control there's little difference between an Express, and Police. If the gun is going to be used for home defense I put a higher priority on the quality control factor you appear to be dismissing. I'm pretty sure that thousands of trouble free rounds through multiple wingmasters made as far back as the 50's(for my family) translates to reliability and high quality. I have had problems with two wingmasters, one had a chipped extractor, and the other has a pitted chamber as a result of poor maintenance by a previous owner. The express is a different matter. It is a cheaply built gun so it can be sold to x price point. Some, probably most, work just fine and never have any problems. There are enough of them that have problems to dismiss them as an option unless the gun in question is proven. Outside of the obvious quality control, there is nothing the police model offers that makes it superior to a wingmaster. That is to say, a $200 pawn shop wingmaster will run perfectly fine for years and thousands upon thousands of rounds. |
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