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Posted: 9/29/2014 5:44:01 PM EST
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What a crock of shit!
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Posted: 9/29/2014 5:52:11 PM EST
[#2]
I read the whole thing.
They found a grinder and pipe and he'd been pinched once for misdemeanor personal possession of MJ (dismissed) so I'm sure some will ignore the violation of rights. But if you read the whole thing, morally and legally that cop deserves charges as does the supervisor he seemed to be getting permission from over the phone. Disgusting.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 5:53:06 PM EST
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Yeah, lots of derp in that article. In California, that'd be plenty of PC to search the vehicle without consent. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 5:56:28 PM EST
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Back at the Rutland state police barracks... I knew it!!! 
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Posted: 9/29/2014 5:58:20 PM EST
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They found a grinder and pipe and he'd been pinched once for misdemeanor personal possession of MJ (dismissed) so I'm sure some will ignore the violation of rights. Quote HistoryQuoted:
They found a grinder and pipe and he'd been pinched once for misdemeanor personal possession of MJ (dismissed) so I'm sure some will ignore the violation of rights. Edited to include that. Quoted:
Yeah, lots of derp in that article. In California, that'd be plenty of PC to search the vehicle without consent. Is possession of small quantities a crime in CA? (Not familiar with CA laws) |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:02:01 PM EST
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I feel safer.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:04:47 PM EST
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:07:45 PM EST
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If the day's high temperature will be 21 degrees and you're in a hoodie you lose the right to bitch about the cold.
I always tell my son "don't dress for the walk to the car, dress for the walk home from the crash." |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:09:00 PM EST
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If the day's high temperature will be 21 degrees and you're in a hoodie you lose the right to bitch about the cold. I always tell my son "don't dress for the walk to the car, dress for the walk home from the crash." Cop wouldn't let him go back to his car, anyway. I keep a sweater in my trunk, or maybe bring an extra jacket for that reason, but might not have it on. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:09:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the day's high temperature will be 21 degrees and you're in a hoodie you lose the right to bitch about the cold. I always tell my son "don't dress for the walk to the car, dress for the walk home from the crash." What makes you think the cop would have let him retrieve them?
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:11:41 PM EST
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Oh, I seriously hope that cop gets it handed to him, and that driver gets paid.....if only because he left the kid on the side of the road after he took his car. Should have taken him home, etc.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:13:52 PM EST
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So... (allegedly) cop pulls kid over, says he smells pot and wants to search the car, and has it towed when the guy says no. Then later gets a warrant for it. The American Civil Liberties Union of Vermont filed the lawsuit on behalf Gregory Zullo, 21, whose car was seized by Vermont State Police after a traffic stop in March that left Zullo by the side of the road in 20-degree weather. ........... Hatch told Zullo that he should give consent to search the vehicle because Hatch’s police dog “smelled something,” despite the fact the dog was not trained in drug detection and was kept in the trooper’s vehicle with the windows rolled up, the lawsuit alleges. Again, Zullo refused to waive his rights, and Hatch told Zullo he was seizing his car. Hatch’s cruiser’s audio and video system recorded a telephone conversation — the complaint doesn’t specify with whom — in which Hatch said, “I can smell weed and he won’t allow me to search, so I’m just going to take it.” ........... Police left Zullo on the side of the road, 8 miles from home, with his hooded sweatshirt to keep warm. According to the National Weather Service, on March 6 temperatures reached a high of 21 degrees. Back at the Rutland state police barracks, Hatch received a search warrant based upon his assertion he could smell burnt marijuana in the car, and that the car contained an air freshener and a bottle of Visine eye drops, records state. The search turned up a pipe and a grinder — used to break up marijuana — but no marijuana, the complaint states. Article Was the pipe and grinder his. If so, good search. If not... |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:16:27 PM EST
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Was the pipe and grinder his. If so, good search. If not... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So... (allegedly) cop pulls kid over, says he smells pot and wants to search the car, and has it towed when the guy says no. Then later gets a warrant for it. The American Civil Liberties Union of Vermont filed the lawsuit on behalf Gregory Zullo, 21, whose car was seized by Vermont State Police after a traffic stop in March that left Zullo by the side of the road in 20-degree weather. ........... Hatch told Zullo that he should give consent to search the vehicle because Hatch’s police dog “smelled something,” despite the fact the dog was not trained in drug detection and was kept in the trooper’s vehicle with the windows rolled up, the lawsuit alleges. Again, Zullo refused to waive his rights, and Hatch told Zullo he was seizing his car. Hatch’s cruiser’s audio and video system recorded a telephone conversation — the complaint doesn’t specify with whom — in which Hatch said, “I can smell weed and he won’t allow me to search, so I’m just going to take it.” ........... Police left Zullo on the side of the road, 8 miles from home, with his hooded sweatshirt to keep warm. According to the National Weather Service, on March 6 temperatures reached a high of 21 degrees. Back at the Rutland state police barracks, Hatch received a search warrant based upon his assertion he could smell burnt marijuana in the car, and that the car contained an air freshener and a bottle of Visine eye drops, records state. The search turned up a pipe and a grinder — used to break up marijuana — but no marijuana, the complaint states. Article Was the pipe and grinder his. If so, good search. If not... Whether a search is good or not depends on whether it ends well? That would mean we wouldn't even need parallel reconstruction. Just secretly spy and then search illegally but when you find something VOILA! Good search! Vermont decriminalized weed. So it's not even evidence of a crime. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:17:35 PM EST
[#14]
I certainly feel safer
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:19:15 PM EST
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Those pensions aren't going to pay for themselves.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:27:56 PM EST
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Was the pipe and grinder his. If so, good search. If not... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So... (allegedly) cop pulls kid over, says he smells pot and wants to search the car, and has it towed when the guy says no. Then later gets a warrant for it. The American Civil Liberties Union of Vermont filed the lawsuit on behalf Gregory Zullo, 21, whose car was seized by Vermont State Police after a traffic stop in March that left Zullo by the side of the road in 20-degree weather. ........... Hatch told Zullo that he should give consent to search the vehicle because Hatch’s police dog “smelled something,” despite the fact the dog was not trained in drug detection and was kept in the trooper’s vehicle with the windows rolled up, the lawsuit alleges. Again, Zullo refused to waive his rights, and Hatch told Zullo he was seizing his car. Hatch’s cruiser’s audio and video system recorded a telephone conversation — the complaint doesn’t specify with whom — in which Hatch said, “I can smell weed and he won’t allow me to search, so I’m just going to take it.” ........... Police left Zullo on the side of the road, 8 miles from home, with his hooded sweatshirt to keep warm. According to the National Weather Service, on March 6 temperatures reached a high of 21 degrees. Back at the Rutland state police barracks, Hatch received a search warrant based upon his assertion he could smell burnt marijuana in the car, and that the car contained an air freshener and a bottle of Visine eye drops, records state. The search turned up a pipe and a grinder — used to break up marijuana — but no marijuana, the complaint states. Article Was the pipe and grinder his. If so, good search. If not... So the ends justify the means..... Got it. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:28:01 PM EST
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Fucking bullshit.....
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:31:15 PM EST
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Bullshit seizure aside, a hooded sweatshirt is plenty for 21°
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:31:30 PM EST
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I knew it!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Back at the Rutland state police barracks... I knew it!!! Yup. 
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:31:39 PM EST
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I keep a lot of warm clothes in my truck. What makes you think the cop would have let him retrieve them?
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If the day's high temperature will be 21 degrees and you're in a hoodie you lose the right to bitch about the cold. I always tell my son "don't dress for the walk to the car, dress for the walk home from the crash." What makes you think the cop would have let him retrieve them?
Cop didn't allow him to retrieve his wallet and phone from the car prior to towing, acorrding to the complaint, so I'd say it's not a stretch to think the cop was just trying to be the biggest cocksucker he could possibly be. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:32:25 PM EST
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I keep a lot of warm clothes in my truck. What makes you think the cop would have let him retrieve them?
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If the day's high temperature will be 21 degrees and you're in a hoodie you lose the right to bitch about the cold. I always tell my son "don't dress for the walk to the car, dress for the walk home from the crash." What makes you think the cop would have let him retrieve them?
Is it really that hard to keep your coat on and adjust the car's interior temperature accordingly? On cold days (-20 last winter) I drove with a hoodie on under my Carhartt coat, and kept my gloves in my pockets. Maybe this deserves a thread of it's own? "Bugging out when you can't get to your bug-out bag." |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:35:51 PM EST
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I knew it!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Back at the Rutland state police barracks... I knew it!!! When VSP rolls the dice in Rut-Vegas they always get the car. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:36:33 PM EST
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Cop didn't allow him to retrieve his wallet and phone from the car prior to towing, acorrding to the complaint, so I'd say it's not a stretch to think the cop was just trying to be the biggest cocksucker he could possibly be. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the day's high temperature will be 21 degrees and you're in a hoodie you lose the right to bitch about the cold. I always tell my son "don't dress for the walk to the car, dress for the walk home from the crash." What makes you think the cop would have let him retrieve them?
Cop didn't allow him to retrieve his wallet and phone from the car prior to towing, acorrding to the complaint, so I'd say it's not a stretch to think the cop was just trying to be the biggest cocksucker he could possibly be. Never met one in person who wasn't aiming for the top spot. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:37:53 PM EST
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kid should thank his stars it was VT and not NM
both seem to like to use pet's as detection NM takes the search A LOT FARTHER edited for improper eastern gulag abbreviation |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:38:17 PM EST
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Is it really that hard to keep your coat on and adjust the car's interior temperature accordingly? On cold days (-20 last winter) I drove with a hoodie on under my Carhartt coat, and kept my gloves in my pockets. Maybe this deserves a thread of it's own? "Bugging out when you can't get to your bug-out bag." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the day's high temperature will be 21 degrees and you're in a hoodie you lose the right to bitch about the cold. I always tell my son "don't dress for the walk to the car, dress for the walk home from the crash." What makes you think the cop would have let him retrieve them?
Is it really that hard to keep your coat on and adjust the car's interior temperature accordingly? On cold days (-20 last winter) I drove with a hoodie on under my Carhartt coat, and kept my gloves in my pockets. Maybe this deserves a thread of it's own? "Bugging out when you can't get to your bug-out bag." Why does it matter how hard it is? |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:39:31 PM EST
[#26]
I hope the state pays out.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:40:28 PM EST
[#27]
That was really stupid.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:40:55 PM EST
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So the ends justify the means..... Got it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So... (allegedly) cop pulls kid over, says he smells pot and wants to search the car, and has it towed when the guy says no. Then later gets a warrant for it. The American Civil Liberties Union of Vermont filed the lawsuit on behalf Gregory Zullo, 21, whose car was seized by Vermont State Police after a traffic stop in March that left Zullo by the side of the road in 20-degree weather. ........... Hatch told Zullo that he should give consent to search the vehicle because Hatch’s police dog “smelled something,” despite the fact the dog was not trained in drug detection and was kept in the trooper’s vehicle with the windows rolled up, the lawsuit alleges. Again, Zullo refused to waive his rights, and Hatch told Zullo he was seizing his car. Hatch’s cruiser’s audio and video system recorded a telephone conversation — the complaint doesn’t specify with whom — in which Hatch said, “I can smell weed and he won’t allow me to search, so I’m just going to take it.” ........... Police left Zullo on the side of the road, 8 miles from home, with his hooded sweatshirt to keep warm. According to the National Weather Service, on March 6 temperatures reached a high of 21 degrees. Back at the Rutland state police barracks, Hatch received a search warrant based upon his assertion he could smell burnt marijuana in the car, and that the car contained an air freshener and a bottle of Visine eye drops, records state. The search turned up a pipe and a grinder — used to break up marijuana — but no marijuana, the complaint states. Article Was the pipe and grinder his. If so, good search. If not... So the ends justify the means..... Got it. Sorry, if you don't want to get pinched for violated drug laws .... don't do drugs. It is still illegal in VT. If you smoke in your car and you are surprised that someone can smell it, maybe drugs do mess up your brain. As for leaving the dumbass on the side of the road ... bad move. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:41:47 PM EST
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If the cop smelled weed he had PC, assuming weed is illegal there.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:41:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it really that hard to keep your coat on and adjust the car's interior temperature accordingly? On cold days (-20 last winter) I drove with a hoodie on under my Carhartt coat, and kept my gloves in my pockets. Maybe this deserves a thread of it's own? "Bugging out when you can't get to your bug-out bag." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If the day's high temperature will be 21 degrees and you're in a hoodie you lose the right to bitch about the cold. I always tell my son "don't dress for the walk to the car, dress for the walk home from the crash." What makes you think the cop would have let him retrieve them? Is it really that hard to keep your coat on and adjust the car's interior temperature accordingly? On cold days (-20 last winter) I drove with a hoodie on under my Carhartt coat, and kept my gloves in my pockets. Maybe this deserves a thread of it's own? "Bugging out when you can't get to your bug-out bag." I'm rural , so I always keep warm clothes in truck. WOW I FUCKED THAT UP. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:46:25 PM EST
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Why does it matter how hard it is? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the day's high temperature will be 21 degrees and you're in a hoodie you lose the right to bitch about the cold. I always tell my son "don't dress for the walk to the car, dress for the walk home from the crash." What makes you think the cop would have let him retrieve them?
Is it really that hard to keep your coat on and adjust the car's interior temperature accordingly? On cold days (-20 last winter) I drove with a hoodie on under my Carhartt coat, and kept my gloves in my pockets. Maybe this deserves a thread of it's own? "Bugging out when you can't get to your bug-out bag." Why does it matter how hard it is? The reasons are pretty obvious. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 6:49:54 PM EST
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So the cop saw paraphernalia, and the guy has a drug record, and he claimed he smelled drugs.
How is that not a good search 
Cop sounds like a fucking prick for leaving the guy stranded, and not letting him retrieve his wallet/cell though. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:01:50 PM EST
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Is it really that hard to keep your coat on and adjust the car's interior temperature accordingly? On cold days (-20 last winter) I drove with a hoodie on under my Carhartt coat, and kept my gloves in my pockets. Maybe this deserves a thread of it's own? "Bugging out when you can't get to your bug-out bag." If I'm going more than a couple miles yes it is really that difficult. Not to mention uncomfortable to have all that material bunched up. I drive for a living. One of the first things that happens when the heater warms up is the coat comes off. Guess I should be driving with gloves, face mask, hat, snow pants, and pack boots on any time the temp drops, eh? |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:12:43 PM EST
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So the cop saw paraphernalia, and the guy has a drug record, and he claimed he smelled drugs. How is that not a good search
Cop sounds like a fucking prick for leaving the guy stranded, and not letting him retrieve his wallet/cell though. It is. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:14:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, if you don't want to get pinched for violated drug laws .... don't do drugs. It is still illegal in VT. If you smoke in your car and you are surprised that someone can smell it, maybe drugs do mess up your brain. As for leaving the dumbass on the side of the road ... bad move. I guess you missed the part where they didn't find any drugs. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:16:13 PM EST
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So the cop saw paraphernalia, and the guy has a drug record, and he claimed he smelled drugs. How is that not a good search
Cop sounds like a fucking prick for leaving the guy stranded, and not letting him retrieve his wallet/cell though. Know how I know you didn't read the article? |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:18:17 PM EST
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I guess you missed the part where they didn't find any drugs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry, if you don't want to get pinched for violated drug laws .... don't do drugs. It is still illegal in VT. If you smoke in your car and you are surprised that someone can smell it, maybe drugs do mess up your brain. As for leaving the dumbass on the side of the road ... bad move. I guess you missed the part where they didn't find any drugs. It is not uncommon to have PC for a search when the evidence is not, in fact, present. PC is not proof. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:20:04 PM EST
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I read the whole thing. They found a grinder and pipe and he'd been pinched once for misdemeanor personal possession of MJ (dismissed) so I'm sure some will ignore the violation of rights. But if you read the whole thing, morally and legally that cop deserves charges as does the supervisor he seemed to be getting permission from over the phone. Disgusting. How does one know they didn't plant the grinder and pipe? I'm sorry to say, I don't trust cops anymore |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:20:35 PM EST
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It is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the cop saw paraphernalia, and the guy has a drug record, and he claimed he smelled drugs. How is that not a good search
Cop sounds like a fucking prick for leaving the guy stranded, and not letting him retrieve his wallet/cell though. It is. Really? A grinder and pipe are legally for tobacco. One can buy them legally at a store. So driving with a legal piece of metal, glass, or plastic is PC? If they say they found no drugs then I assume they found no residue. A drug record? Do you mean a conviction? Because those are what count. If people can be selectively targeted because of crimes they have not been convicted of then the police have zero legitimacy and should rightly be met with the appropriate level of self-defense by anyone they accost. Any asshole with a dog can claim to know what the dog is thinking and say it "smelled something." And the people that do this are always assholes. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:21:29 PM EST
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I guess you missed the part where they didn't find any drugs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry, if you don't want to get pinched for violated drug laws .... don't do drugs. It is still illegal in VT. If you smoke in your car and you are surprised that someone can smell it, maybe drugs do mess up your brain. As for leaving the dumbass on the side of the road ... bad move. I guess you missed the part where they didn't find any drugs. I guess you missed the part where he had a pipe, which is referred to as drug paraphernalia. Question is did it have pot residual in it. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:21:32 PM EST
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It is not uncommon to have PC for a search when the evidence is not, in fact, present. PC is not proof. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry, if you don't want to get pinched for violated drug laws .... don't do drugs. It is still illegal in VT. If you smoke in your car and you are surprised that someone can smell it, maybe drugs do mess up your brain. As for leaving the dumbass on the side of the road ... bad move. I guess you missed the part where they didn't find any drugs. It is not uncommon to have PC for a search when the evidence is not, in fact, present. PC is not proof. What was the this PC supposed to be cause for? What crime? Possession of marijuana is not a crime in Vermont. Quoted:
I guess you missed the part where he had a pipe, which is referred to as drug paraphernalia. Question is did it have pot residual in it. This isn't a question at all, because it doesn't relate to whether he committed a crime. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:22:51 PM EST
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Sorry, if you don't want to get pinched for violated drug laws .... don't do drugs. It is still illegal in VT. If you smoke in your car and you are surprised that someone can smell it, maybe drugs do mess up your brain. As for leaving the dumbass on the side of the road ... bad move. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So... (allegedly) cop pulls kid over, says he smells pot and wants to search the car, and has it towed when the guy says no. Then later gets a warrant for it. The American Civil Liberties Union of Vermont filed the lawsuit on behalf Gregory Zullo, 21, whose car was seized by Vermont State Police after a traffic stop in March that left Zullo by the side of the road in 20-degree weather. ........... Hatch told Zullo that he should give consent to search the vehicle because Hatch’s police dog “smelled something,” despite the fact the dog was not trained in drug detection and was kept in the trooper’s vehicle with the windows rolled up, the lawsuit alleges. Again, Zullo refused to waive his rights, and Hatch told Zullo he was seizing his car. Hatch’s cruiser’s audio and video system recorded a telephone conversation — the complaint doesn’t specify with whom — in which Hatch said, “I can smell weed and he won’t allow me to search, so I’m just going to take it.” ........... Police left Zullo on the side of the road, 8 miles from home, with his hooded sweatshirt to keep warm. According to the National Weather Service, on March 6 temperatures reached a high of 21 degrees. Back at the Rutland state police barracks, Hatch received a search warrant based upon his assertion he could smell burnt marijuana in the car, and that the car contained an air freshener and a bottle of Visine eye drops, records state. The search turned up a pipe and a grinder — used to break up marijuana — but no marijuana, the complaint states. Article Was the pipe and grinder his. If so, good search. If not... So the ends justify the means..... Got it. Sorry, if you don't want to get pinched for violated drug laws .... don't do drugs. It is still illegal in VT. If you smoke in your car and you are surprised that someone can smell it, maybe drugs do mess up your brain. As for leaving the dumbass on the side of the road ... bad move. Having that Gadsden flag as part of your avatar is ironic. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:23:46 PM EST
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If the day's high temperature will be 21 degrees and you're in a hoodie you lose the right to bitch about the cold. I always tell my son "don't dress for the walk to the car, dress for the walk home from the crash." What makes you think the cop would have let him retrieve them?
Is it really that hard to keep your coat on and adjust the car's interior temperature accordingly? On cold days (-20 last winter) I drove with a hoodie on under my Carhartt coat, and kept my gloves in my pockets. Maybe this deserves a thread of it's own? "Bugging out when you can't get to your bug-out bag." Why does it matter how hard it is? The reasons are pretty obvious. Enlighten those of us that operate on a lower intelligence plane. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:24:18 PM EST
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So the cop saw paraphernalia, and the guy has a drug record, and he claimed he smelled drugs. How is that not a good search
Cop sounds like a fucking prick for leaving the guy stranded, and not letting him retrieve his wallet/cell though. Visine and an air freshener is RS/PC? Hell, I have both in my work vehicle and personal one. Hell, I have air freshener that would completely mask the smell of pot if you had just put the joint out. [used for gas odorant scent cover] Is that PC/RS? [been piss tested on a regular basis since 1982,] |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:24:19 PM EST
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Sorry, if you don't want to get pinched for violated drug laws .... don't do drugs. It is still illegal in VT. If you smoke in your car and you are surprised that someone can smell it, maybe drugs do mess up your brain. As for leaving the dumbass on the side of the road ... bad move. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So... (allegedly) cop pulls kid over, says he smells pot and wants to search the car, and has it towed when the guy says no. Then later gets a warrant for it. The American Civil Liberties Union of Vermont filed the lawsuit on behalf Gregory Zullo, 21, whose car was seized by Vermont State Police after a traffic stop in March that left Zullo by the side of the road in 20-degree weather. ........... Hatch told Zullo that he should give consent to search the vehicle because Hatch’s police dog “smelled something,” despite the fact the dog was not trained in drug detection and was kept in the trooper’s vehicle with the windows rolled up, the lawsuit alleges. Again, Zullo refused to waive his rights, and Hatch told Zullo he was seizing his car. Hatch’s cruiser’s audio and video system recorded a telephone conversation — the complaint doesn’t specify with whom — in which Hatch said, “I can smell weed and he won’t allow me to search, so I’m just going to take it.” ........... Police left Zullo on the side of the road, 8 miles from home, with his hooded sweatshirt to keep warm. According to the National Weather Service, on March 6 temperatures reached a high of 21 degrees. Back at the Rutland state police barracks, Hatch received a search warrant based upon his assertion he could smell burnt marijuana in the car, and that the car contained an air freshener and a bottle of Visine eye drops, records state. The search turned up a pipe and a grinder — used to break up marijuana — but no marijuana, the complaint states. Article Was the pipe and grinder his. If so, good search. If not... So the ends justify the means..... Got it. Sorry, if you don't want to get pinched for violated drug laws .... don't do drugs. It is still illegal in VT. If you smoke in your car and you are surprised that someone can smell it, maybe drugs do mess up your brain. As for leaving the dumbass on the side of the road ... bad move. It was a bullshit stop to begin with. "Snow obstructed the licence plate"? Out of state plates in Rutland... That was this dipshit troops PC for the stop. Weed is a civil ticket in this state. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:26:20 PM EST
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Really? A grinder and pipe are legally for tobacco. One can buy them legally at a store. So driving with a legal piece of metal, glass, or plastic is PC? If they say they found no drugs then I assume they found no residue. A drug record? Do you mean a conviction? Because those are what count. If people can be selectively targeted because of crimes they have not been convicted of then the police have zero legitimacy and should rightly be met with the appropriate level of self-defense by anyone they accost. Any asshole with a dog can claim to know what the dog is thinking and say it "smelled something." And the people that do this are always assholes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the cop saw paraphernalia, and the guy has a drug record, and he claimed he smelled drugs. How is that not a good search
Cop sounds like a fucking prick for leaving the guy stranded, and not letting him retrieve his wallet/cell though. It is. Really? A grinder and pipe are legally for tobacco. One can buy them legally at a store. So driving with a legal piece of metal, glass, or plastic is PC? If they say they found no drugs then I assume they found no residue. A drug record? Do you mean a conviction? Because those are what count. If people can be selectively targeted because of crimes they have not been convicted of then the police have zero legitimacy and should rightly be met with the appropriate level of self-defense by anyone they accost. Any asshole with a dog can claim to know what the dog is thinking and say it "smelled something." And the people that do this are always assholes. You're judging the legality of the search based on the results.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:26:51 PM EST
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If story is accurate, cop is an ass. Who puts that much work in for a little weed or suspicion of weed....good lord. Also, seizing the car means the guy is basically your responsibility. You just can't leave him out there like that in those conditions.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:28:19 PM EST
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It is not uncommon to have PC for a search when the evidence is not, in fact, present. PC is not proof. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry, if you don't want to get pinched for violated drug laws .... don't do drugs. It is still illegal in VT. If you smoke in your car and you are surprised that someone can smell it, maybe drugs do mess up your brain. As for leaving the dumbass on the side of the road ... bad move. I guess you missed the part where they didn't find any drugs. It is not uncommon to have PC for a search when the evidence is not, in fact, present. PC is not proof. Get out of GD with your logic an' shit................. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:28:25 PM EST
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You're judging the legality of the search based on the results. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the cop saw paraphernalia, and the guy has a drug record, and he claimed he smelled drugs. How is that not a good search
Cop sounds like a fucking prick for leaving the guy stranded, and not letting him retrieve his wallet/cell though. It is. Really? A grinder and pipe are legally for tobacco. One can buy them legally at a store. So driving with a legal piece of metal, glass, or plastic is PC? If they say they found no drugs then I assume they found no residue. A drug record? Do you mean a conviction? Because those are what count. If people can be selectively targeted because of crimes they have not been convicted of then the police have zero legitimacy and should rightly be met with the appropriate level of self-defense by anyone they accost. Any asshole with a dog can claim to know what the dog is thinking and say it "smelled something." And the people that do this are always assholes. You're judging the legality of the search based on the results. Read it again, Genius. |
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Posted: 9/29/2014 7:29:54 PM EST
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Know how I know you didn't read the article? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the cop saw paraphernalia, and the guy has a drug record, and he claimed he smelled drugs. How is that not a good search
Cop sounds like a fucking prick for leaving the guy stranded, and not letting him retrieve his wallet/cell though. Know how I know you didn't read the article? I did not .
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