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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:32:35 PM EDT
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What were they thinking? After they hit Pearl Harbor, had they won the next few battles by sinking our carrier fleet, what was their plan? Invade North America? Did they think we would sue for peace, after taking a few losses? Did they even have a plan to finish what they started? |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:35:59 PM EDT
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Essentially, hit the American Navy strong enough that we don't want to fight them, take the Philippines, etc to secure raw resources, then tell America to be quiet and color. There's no plan to invade mainland USA.
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:37:41 PM EDT
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Step 1:bomb Pearl Harbor
Step 2:? Step 3: Profit |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:39:04 PM EDT
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Only country to get nuked, twice. Fuck'em and their plan.
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:39:41 PM EDT
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Japanese Plan to Win WW2 |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:40:18 PM EDT
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they needed to catch the carriers in port. they failed.
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:41:16 PM EDT
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Only country to get nuked, twice. Fuck'em and their plan. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:41:28 PM EDT
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From what I remember it was: 1: Attack Pearl Harbor and destroy the US carriers. 2: Grab as much land as possible before the US is able to respond. 3: Negotiate a peace treaty with the US. But due to the failure to catch the US carriers in port, they didn't get past 1. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:41:56 PM EDT
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It's hard to think their plan was to attack the US & end up getting nuked twice.
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:42:45 PM EDT
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The Japanese also believed we were soft and spoiled and would not fight if we were hit hard enough early on. They were wrong. However when we get our democrat President and Congress shortly then I fully expect a negotiated surrender if something similar were to happen again. Millennials and all liberals/socialists would far rather surrender an “unwinable” war than to ever fight.
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:44:20 PM EDT
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The militarists counted on the U.S. not being able to take a punch. Needless to say, they were wrong.
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:46:21 PM EDT
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Destroy America's ability to project power, expect that will make America submissive and let them invade whoever they want in Asia to get access to the resources they want/need.
They don't know us very well do they?  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:47:04 PM EDT
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They weren't interested in conquering the mainland. They wanted the entire Pacific for themselves.
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:48:09 PM EDT
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They thought they could hit us hard, take the territory they were after, have time to fortify it before we were able to effectively respond. By then the odds would be stacked enough against us that we would choose peace rather than a costly war. They never thought they could beat us in a long war, but they thought they could make it seem costly enough to win that we wouldn't try.
They severely underestimated America and her people. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:50:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:52:45 PM EDT
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At the time, the United States was not interested in joining yet another European world war. The popular view was isolationist - granted FDR was sending aid secretly to Britain. Then the Japanese ambassador to the US decoded and delivered the declaration of war too late due to technical difficulties. Oops.
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:53:58 PM EDT
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They intended to neutralize our ability to keep them from taking China and the Western Pacific.
No real delusion to take the U.S., although they would have gone for Australia. They wanted to hurt us and then negotiate us into not interfering. It was doable. Not probable but doable. Adm. Yamamoto was never under the delusion they could defeat us. He tried to tell them. I read his biography a number of years ago. As an ensign, he had served with the Japanese embassy in the U.S. He hitchhiked around our country. He admired American will and had an appreciation for our industrial might. It troubled him greatly that his own countrymen grossly underestimated the strength of America. But he was loyal to his country and did his duty. Summary: Fanatical Japanese leadership hoped to take Asia and thought they could inflict enough to get America to back off. It failed. The end. 
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:55:18 PM EDT
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Their whole plan gambled on the USA being unable to stomach the war. And we'd want to make peace.
Believe it or not..... a large portion of the Japanese military leadership thought going to war with us was insanely stupid. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 7:56:18 PM EDT
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Don't forget they Invaded some of the Alaskan islands And held them for over a year. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands_Campaign . |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 8:37:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct, remember at that time that the Battleship was still considered ‘the capital ship” and one used to project power. The plan was to win the war within the first six months, after that negotiation for peace. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 8:37:52 PM EDT
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From what I remember it was: 1: Attack Pearl Harbor and destroy the US carriers. 2: Grab as much land as possible before the US is able to respond. 3: Negotiate a peace treaty with the US. But due to the failure to catch the US carriers in port, they didn't get past 1. Their government was ruled by a six man council, with the emperor over them in what was effectively an advisory position. Their Army and Navy were each given the authority to appoint one member of the council, so two members of that six man council were military officers. Another member of the council was so pro-military that he went along with whatever the two military officers wanted. Japan also had some form of political police, that would go after people for speaking out against the government or having connections to people that opposed war. Traditional Japanese military tactics, were to plan battles like a drawn out chess match, with a goal of gaining more land than they actually wanted, then 'sue for peace' (which the left keeps trying to present as "surrender", when they talk about how the war ended). When both sides reached the peace talks, it would become a diplomatic battle to decide how much land the victor would give back, as a gesture of peace toward the loser. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 8:38:34 PM EDT
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On the American side(and Europe), yes battleships were king. Yamamoto was fully in the carrier camp by this time. Hence the carrier attack on Pearl Harbor. Japanese pilots were directed to prioritize hitting the carriers. Having our carriers not in port is one of those turning points in history that is rarely appreciated. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 8:42:11 PM EDT
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They would have been better off invading Vladivostok. However Stalin was still going to pull East Asian units to Moscow even if Japan invaded, as Moscow was critical and local Soviet Army units, even at 1/5th strength, would have been enough to pin the Japanese in an unwinnable war in Siberia until after Stalingrad, when the war to liberate Siberia and Manchuria would have taken place.
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Posted: 2/15/2019 8:43:32 PM EDT
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Destroy America's ability to project power, expect that will make America submissive and let them invade whoever they want in Asia to get access to the resources they want/need. They don't know us very well do they?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNZFZ6jDCR4There were major setbacks in both theatres early on. Obviously the nazis took a large portion of Europe, but the Japanese made massive gains in the pacific, taking over island after island pushing both the US and Australians out. Neither country believed the allies could retake the land they had annexed. They were wrong, but it came at an enormous cost. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 8:45:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
From what I remember it was: 1: Attack Pearl Harbor and destroy the US carriers. 2: Grab as much land as possible before the US is able to respond. 3: Negotiate a peace treaty with the US. But due to the failure to catch the US carriers in port, they didn't get past 1. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 8:47:01 PM EDT
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Meh. We'd of still built a shitload more than they did and kicked their ass even if they managed to hit our Carriers stationed in Pearl. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On the American side(and Europe), yes battleships were king. Yamamoto was fully in the carrier camp by this time. Hence the carrier attack on Pearl Harbor. Japanese pilots were directed to prioritize hitting the carriers. Having our carriers not in port is one of those turning points in history that is rarely appreciated. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 8:47:13 PM EDT
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American code breaking efforts were critical in winning the war IMO. Don't forget that at the beginning of the war the US military was pathetic compared to everyone else's back then. Imagine if Midway turned into a Japanese victory instead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway#US_code-breaking |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 8:47:50 PM EDT
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They figured if they punched the US in the face the soft, spoiled gaijin would wet their pants and capitulate.
They thought wrong. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 8:48:00 PM EDT
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They thought that we'd come to terms after being dealt what they believed to be a a devastating blow against our Pacific Fleet.
They thought wrong. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 8:58:05 PM EDT
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Japan was a much tougher foe than they get credit for. The war with Japan was an entire separate war than the war in Europe.
When your boats and planes need to stop and refuel and they are all controlled by the Japanese it makes waging war against them difficult. I don't blame any American Soldier who has hard feeling towards the Japanese during that time. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:05:44 PM EDT
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They figured if they punched the US in the face the soft, spoiled gaijin would wet their pants and capitulate. They thought wrong. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:10:05 PM EDT
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Wouldn't have been enough time to replace those carriers before Coral Sea and Midway. Japan could have still ended up losing, but the cost would have been much, much higher. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On the American side(and Europe), yes battleships were king. Yamamoto was fully in the carrier camp by this time. Hence the carrier attack on Pearl Harbor. Japanese pilots were directed to prioritize hitting the carriers. Having our carriers not in port is one of those turning points in history that is rarely appreciated. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:10:14 PM EDT
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Don't forget they Invaded some of the Alaskan islands And held them for over a year. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands_Campaign 
Code breaking let us know of the attacks before they began. By the way: You seemed to forget they successfully withdrawal much of their forces before the campaign ended. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:10:47 PM EDT
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Their other hope was to create an impenetrable wall of unsinkable carriers (islands) throughout the central Pacific so that if we DID push to relieve the Phillipines then the fleet was going to be battered all the way in and then pounced on by the main fleet. Oddly enough it was still envisioned as battleship v battleship so I don't think Japan had bought into carrier supremacy by that point
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:11:51 PM EDT
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they needed to catch the carriers in port. they failed. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:12:46 PM EDT
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To end the oil embargo. They couldn’t advance with oil.
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:15:45 PM EDT
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They thought bushido and samurai swords could match the 30/06.
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:20:12 PM EDT
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What were they thinking? After they hit Pearl Harbor, had they won the next few battles by sinking our carrier fleet, what was their plan? Invade North America? Did they think we would sue for peace, after taking a few losses? Did they even have a plan to finish what they started? in the roaring 20s we developed an international reputation as an nation of pansy ass playboys. there is alot of water between us & Japan. as usual they saw the movies, coastline city college boys & thought that was every American not our pussy rich kids. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:21:43 PM EDT
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They knew winning was a long shot, but the West had pinched them so much, stopped their Colonial expansion when the West was doing it themselves, so it was a “fight now or slowly be pinched to having no chance to expand.”
Their culture was a fight to the death one though, so it’s difficult for the West to fully grasp their fight and surrender. If it wasn’t for the shock of the bomb, they likely would have continued until annihailated down to the last few hundred thousand, and Japan would have been taken over by the West all together with Japanese being rescued to Indian like reservations. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:24:18 PM EDT
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Japan thought that the USA would be too preoccupied with the war in Europe to respond. Japan was right - for a while anyway.
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:24:37 PM EDT
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Imagine this:
Say Hitler wasn't obsessed with murdering Jews and bombing Great Britain. Even better, say his obsessive hated was for Muslims. Now say the Japanese had come to us diplomatically to state their intent to expand their sphere of influence in Asia. U.S., Britain, Germany, and Japan are not hostile to each other. Communism is wiped the fuck out before it even take hold in USSR and China. Same possibly goes for Islam. How many of us would have the proverbial Coke? |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:24:49 PM EDT
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First 2 posts are the Reader’s Digest version. They weren’t going to invade the USA. Remember Adolf wanted a bomber or missle that could reach NYC, so the Japs weren’t thinking of anything until the balloon bombs that hit the West coast as terror weapons.
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:30:34 PM EDT
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With all of their war history and experts and ancient books and assumed wisdom, they failed to understand their enemy.
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:30:35 PM EDT
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I have always been perplexed by it. Maybe they thought Germany would help? Location, location, location made the whole thing impossible for them and Germany.
Not too mention an entire country that fought the war. Neither had the capability to build planes, ships and anything else like we did. They poorly underestimated the American spirit. Sadly that spirit is mostly dead. Not all the way but mostly. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:33:05 PM EDT
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You know, Japan would have been a nice U.S. territory and a fantastic strategic location to project the military to keep Russia and China in check. Had we occupied and controlled Japan, Korea and Vietnam might have been avoided. Doing the right thing may not always be the right thing to do.
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:51:32 PM EDT
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Seems like everything I have read says they thought we were total pussies, and would sue for peace rather than go to war.
I just can't get why they could have thought that. We were pacifists prior to WWI but we we did go to war, there was no lack of enthusiasm to kill Germans. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:53:36 PM EDT
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What were they thinking? After they hit Pearl Harbor, had they won the next few battles by sinking our carrier fleet, what was their plan? Invade North America? Did they think we would sue for peace, after taking a few losses? Did they even have a plan to finish what they started? Pre World War 2, most wars did not end in an unconditional surrender. Instead a peace would be negotiated which allowed both nations to largely remain intact. See, what happened was that the Japanese decided that they should be the dominant race in Asia, ruling over all of those lesser and inferior Asian peoples. They went to war with what passed for China back in those days and actively encouraged their troops to do some really horrible things. The result was the United States and the West placing an embargo on them... And Japan's economy was highly dependent on foreign resources. That's why they were invading China to begin with, gotta get them resources. In particular they needed oil and there was loads of oil in Southeast Asia. But, attacking the European colonies there would certainly bring the US into the war. And, the last thing the Japanese wanted was to get into a war with America's Navy... So, they decided to sink our Navy at Pearl Harbor. Then they would go on a rampage over the Pacific, taking over islands, and conquering those Western colonies that had all that oil. America would go to war of course. But it would take a couple years for America to build up a Navy again and by then Japan would own the Pacific, have the resources they needed, and America would face a long and costly war to defeat the Japanese. And then Japan would "surrender" but in negotiate to keep the territories they really wanted. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 10:03:45 PM EDT
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They intended to neutralize our ability to keep them from taking China and the Western Pacific. No real delusion to take the U.S., although they would have gone for Australia. They wanted to hurt us and then negotiate us into not interfering. It was doable. Not probable but doable. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 10:04:31 PM EDT
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They weren't interested in conquering the mainland. They wanted the entire Pacific for themselves. And there was no way it would work out for them. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 10:05:09 PM EDT
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