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Posted: 12/22/2015 12:20:04 AM EST
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I get your point but I disagree. Lots of scifi movies to compare it to. I am not sure what exactly you disagree on. It can definitely be compared to other SciFi movies. The Star Trek series of movies come to mind. I used Schindler's List simply because it was a well known, highly regarded, universally liked movie from a well known director. Could have compared it to Blade Runner, Enemy Mine, any number of Star Trek movies, or any other SciFi film but unless you are into SciFi sometimes the reviews can be off. I generally do not like using SciFi as a base comparison simply because may not like the genre entirely which skews their reviews. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 12:20:13 AM EST
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Yeah, I'm thinking you're off your nut. It wasn't Oscar worthy, but it was well made, well acted and incredible visually. The critics were just as positive about it as the fans and they aren't generally ga-ga about SFX. to each his own, but this movie was just another reboot of a franchise that didn't need rebooted, and time will agree with me, once the afterglow dies down. You could feel the insecurity of the director/writer with every cliche "throwback" scene that somehow didn't exist in any other SW movie, but was chock full here. SFX were on part with that cappy cgi fest Warhammer movie that was in the previews, and will not hold up near as well with time as iv-vi did. And generally you can count on a bad movie if "critics" love it. Doesn't need to be an Oscar worthy movie, but it also doesn't need to be a movie that copies every other modern crappy ADD sci-fi flick (star trek reboots) in both style and substance. Where was the soundtrack? I barely heard it besides the opening and closing credits. There are so many better ways this story could've been told. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 12:21:46 AM EST
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I suspect that as well but I am not familiar enough with how Plagueis was (not) killed. Snoke did appear to have a big scar on his head. Did Sidious slash him with his saber to do him in? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After seeing the movie a second time, I'm calling it: Rey is Luke's daughter. The signs other than her force sensitivity: 1. Maz saying to Rey "that was Luke Skywalker's light saber and his fathers before him. Now it calls to you." 2. Luke looked like he was standing over a grave marked by a stone that blended in very well with the other rocks. Probably a spouse or lover's grave. Personally, I think Luke was getting it on with one of his students, had a kid, had to hide her, dropped her off on Jakku, then Kylo Ren massacred her and the rest of the Jedis in training. He blames himself for her death and Kylo Ren's fall to the dark side so he bails. That's what I came away with as well. Same here. And I personally think that Snoke is actually Darth Plagueis. I suspect that as well but I am not familiar enough with how Plagueis was (not) killed. Snoke did appear to have a big scar on his head. Did Sidious slash him with his saber to do him in? Plagueis had a breather mask and Sidious suffocated him to death. Plagueis did have severe facial scaring though, hence the need for the mask. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 12:24:01 AM EST
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I was trying to point out that there are movies and then there is Star Wars. The only good way to judge a Star Wars movie is by comparing it to another Star Wars movie. unfortunately, this is definitely a SW movie, so much so it's considered a reboot, I stead of a continuation. I thought the premise of the movie was great, looking for Luke etc, but it fell apart with all the copying and direction. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 12:24:26 AM EST
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It felt like Star wars, but didn't. I kind of lean toward it was a mistake to use the originals after such a long gap. In Starlog or something during the original trilogy, Lucas' original plan was prequel trilogy and sequal trilogy. 
Lucas made everything up as he went along, man. How else do you explain the plot inconsistencies between all of the movies that he had a role in? |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 12:26:19 AM EST
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I am not sure what exactly you disagree on. It can definitely be compared to other SciFi movies. The Star Trek series of movies come to mind. I used Schindler's List simply because it was a well known, highly regarded, universally liked movie from a well known director. Could have compared it to Blade Runner, Enemy Mine, any number of Star Trek movies, or any other SciFi film but unless you are into SciFi sometimes the reviews can be off. I generally do not like using SciFi as a base comparison simply because may not like the genre entirely which skews their reviews. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I get your point but I disagree. Lots of scifi movies to compare it to. I am not sure what exactly you disagree on. It can definitely be compared to other SciFi movies. The Star Trek series of movies come to mind. I used Schindler's List simply because it was a well known, highly regarded, universally liked movie from a well known director. Could have compared it to Blade Runner, Enemy Mine, any number of Star Trek movies, or any other SciFi film but unless you are into SciFi sometimes the reviews can be off. I generally do not like using SciFi as a base comparison simply because may not like the genre entirely which skews their reviews. Disagreed with this: Quoted:
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Posted: 12/22/2015 12:26:50 AM EST
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Plagueis had a breather mask and Sidious suffocated him to death. Plagueis did have severe facial scaring though, hence the need for the mask. That was all back in the old EU. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 12:27:24 AM EST
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to each his own, but this movie was just another reboot of a franchise that didn't need rebooted, and time will agree with me, once the afterglow dies down. You could feel the insecurity of the director/writer with every cliche "throwback" scene that somehow didn't exist in any other SW movie, but was chock full here. SFX were on part with that cappy cgi fest Warhammer movie that was in the previews, and will not hold up near as well with time as iv-vi did. And generally you can count on a bad movie if "critics" love it. Doesn't need to be an Oscar worthy movie, but it also doesn't need to be a movie that copies every other modern crappy ADD sci-fi flick (star trek reboots) in both style and substance. Where was the soundtrack? I barely heard it besides the opening and closing credits. There are so many better ways this story could've been told. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, I'm thinking you're off your nut. It wasn't Oscar worthy, but it was well made, well acted and incredible visually. The critics were just as positive about it as the fans and they aren't generally ga-ga about SFX. to each his own, but this movie was just another reboot of a franchise that didn't need rebooted, and time will agree with me, once the afterglow dies down. You could feel the insecurity of the director/writer with every cliche "throwback" scene that somehow didn't exist in any other SW movie, but was chock full here. SFX were on part with that cappy cgi fest Warhammer movie that was in the previews, and will not hold up near as well with time as iv-vi did. And generally you can count on a bad movie if "critics" love it. Doesn't need to be an Oscar worthy movie, but it also doesn't need to be a movie that copies every other modern crappy ADD sci-fi flick (star trek reboots) in both style and substance. Where was the soundtrack? I barely heard it besides the opening and closing credits. There are so many better ways this story could've been told. I agree that the story seemed to streamline the original trilogy a bit too much.I read most of the books up to the rebellion, the Thrawn trilogy, and a few others. I am not sure if this story line follows the books or not but I suspect it might. Personally I would have liked a Thrawn, Reven, or Darth Bane movie. They all have very original story lines. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 12:28:51 AM EST
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Will you still be saying that when the next movie (VIII) features the following? ~Kylo hunts down the Resistance and puts the Resistance on the run (aka Battle of Endor) ~Rey trains with Luke (aka Luke goes to Dagobah to train under Yoda) ~Somebody gets captured by Kylo and is used as a lure for Rey (aka Leia and Han getting captured and Luke coming to the rescue at Cloud City) ~Rey loses the fight with Kylo but survives and escapes (Vader vs Luke at Cloud City) 
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Quoted:snip While all that stuff is true, similar arguments could be made about a lot of other movies and other things. All war movies: Some people disagreed so they fought. Weapons were used. People died. Someone won. Point I'm making is those similarities don't bother me. The films take place in the same universe, a lot of the same characters, so naturally similarities will exist. Will you still be saying that when the next movie (VIII) features the following? ~Kylo hunts down the Resistance and puts the Resistance on the run (aka Battle of Endor) ~Rey trains with Luke (aka Luke goes to Dagobah to train under Yoda) ~Somebody gets captured by Kylo and is used as a lure for Rey (aka Leia and Han getting captured and Luke coming to the rescue at Cloud City) ~Rey loses the fight with Kylo but survives and escapes (Vader vs Luke at Cloud City)
I actually really liked Episode VII, but while watching it (today), it definitely felt like a rehashed IV. I highly doubt the above happens but if it does I'll eat my socks. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 12:29:26 AM EST
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Plagueis had a breather mask and Sidious suffocated him to death. Plagueis did have severe facial scaring though, hence the need for the mask. That was all back in the old EU. True but Disney is still pulling from the EU, it just is not bound by it. The only information we have on Plagueis comes from a few sentences from the movies and the books. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 12:29:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It felt like Star wars, but didn't. I kind of lean toward it was a mistake to use the originals after such a long gap. In Starlog or something during the original trilogy, Lucas' original plan was prequel trilogy and sequal trilogy. Lucas never actually had a plan, he had some vague ideas (some of which got used like the Obi Wan vs Vader volcano fight) but he never had an real plan or outline for any movie past the next one he was making when he made the original three. ETA: Hell, his original idea for Star Wars was to make it and then open up the Galaxy Far, Far Away for other people to make whatever movies they wanted in the setting as a serial/anthology series. Then he actually got around to making it and he thought the movie was going to bomb and was just praying he'd ever get to make a movie ever again, and then when it became a blockbuster he nixed his original idea and decided to keep it as his own special playground and money printing machine. Never, ever, trust anything George Lucas says about Star Wars unless he's actually describing how he filmed a specific scene and only then in an interview he gave right after the movie with the scene in question was released. His stories changes more often than Hillary Clinton's do. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 12:33:38 AM EST
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Lucas never actually had a plan, he had some vague ideas (some of which got used like the Obi Wan vs Vader volcano fight) but he never had an real plan or outline for any movie past the next one he was making when he made the original three. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It felt like Star wars, but didn't. I kind of lean toward it was a mistake to use the originals after such a long gap. In Starlog or something during the original trilogy, Lucas' original plan was prequel trilogy and sequal trilogy. Lucas never actually had a plan, he had some vague ideas (some of which got used like the Obi Wan vs Vader volcano fight) but he never had an real plan or outline for any movie past the next one he was making when he made the original three. I always believed that he had a plan or at least an outline. A lot of authors of books will talk about huge outlines and then write books that follow the story paths. I believed this until Episode I-III. I really think you are right and that he just kind of made most of the shit up as he went along but acted like he had some grand scheme for funding/making himself look like a genius. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 12:43:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always believed that he had a plan or at least an outline. A lot of authors of books will talk about huge outlines and then write books that follow the story paths. I believed this until Episode I-III. I really think you are right and that he just kind of made most of the shit up as he went along but acted like he had some grand scheme for funding/making himself look like a genius. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It felt like Star wars, but didn't. I kind of lean toward it was a mistake to use the originals after such a long gap. In Starlog or something during the original trilogy, Lucas' original plan was prequel trilogy and sequal trilogy. Lucas never actually had a plan, he had some vague ideas (some of which got used like the Obi Wan vs Vader volcano fight) but he never had an real plan or outline for any movie past the next one he was making when he made the original three. I always believed that he had a plan or at least an outline. A lot of authors of books will talk about huge outlines and then write books that follow the story paths. I believed this until Episode I-III. I really think you are right and that he just kind of made most of the shit up as he went along but acted like he had some grand scheme for funding/making himself look like a genius. If you really want to get down into the weeds of Star Wars a good book is The Secret History of Star Wars, I'm pretty sure it's still on Amazon. My girlfriend got it for me a couple years ago for Christmas since she knows I'm a massive Star Wars fan and have been since '77. I remembered the Starlog stuff from when I was a kid, his "grand plan" as he liked to call it but it was all BS. The book reminded me of things I'd read back in the '70s and '80s when I couldn't get enough info on Star Wars, and I was like "Yeah I remember he said that!" and then the book shows how he went back and claimed he didn't or said something completely different which lined up with what his current thinking about Star Wars was...and then how he'd go back and change his story again when he decided Star Wars was something else. Star Wars was the story of Luke Skywalker all the way through RotJ when he decided for really real that Luke was Darth Vader's son and it wasn't all an elaborate ruse. As soon as he got down to actually making the prequels he decided that no Star Wars in its entirety was all about Darth Vader, yep, the whole time, from '77 on, that was always his intention...even though Darth is on screen for 12 whole minutes. You simply can't trust a damn thing Lucas says about Star Wars. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 12:51:02 AM EST
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Enjoyed the movie , it's a good start for rebooting the series
Still trying the figure out the purpose of the female chrome e trooper other than walking around and giving comic relief Bring fett back , more grit, less weird shit like female troopers and the bad guys ears are fucking huge |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 12:57:49 AM EST
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Enjoyed the movie , it's a good start for rebooting the series Still trying the figure out the purpose of the female chrome e trooper other than walking around and giving comic relief Bring fett back , more grit, less weird shit like female troopers and the bad guys ears are fucking huge I thought it was weird to have a female trooper but never show her face. I am sure she will come up again. Interesting trivia, the bad guy was a Marine in Afg. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 1:05:18 AM EST
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Enjoyed the movie , it's a good start for rebooting the series Still trying the figure out the purpose of the female chrome e trooper other than walking around and giving comic relief Bring fett back , more grit, less weird shit like female troopers and the bad guys ears are fucking huge It's not a f-ing reboot though. 
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Posted: 12/22/2015 1:05:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: to each his own, but this movie was just another reboot of a franchise that didn't need rebooted, and time will agree with me, once the afterglow dies down. You could feel the insecurity of the director/writer with every cliche "throwback" scene that somehow didn't exist in any other SW movie, but was chock full here. SFX were on part with that cappy cgi fest Warhammer movie that was in the previews, and will not hold up near as well with time as iv-vi did. And generally you can count on a bad movie if "critics" love it. Doesn't need to be an Oscar worthy movie, but it also doesn't need to be a movie that copies every other modern crappy ADD sci-fi flick (star trek reboots) in both style and substance. Where was the soundtrack? I barely heard it besides the opening and closing credits. There are so many better ways this story could've been told. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah, I'm thinking you're off your nut. It wasn't Oscar worthy, but it was well made, well acted and incredible visually. The critics were just as positive about it as the fans and they aren't generally ga-ga about SFX. to each his own, but this movie was just another reboot of a franchise that didn't need rebooted, and time will agree with me, once the afterglow dies down. You could feel the insecurity of the director/writer with every cliche "throwback" scene that somehow didn't exist in any other SW movie, but was chock full here. SFX were on part with that cappy cgi fest Warhammer movie that was in the previews, and will not hold up near as well with time as iv-vi did. And generally you can count on a bad movie if "critics" love it. Doesn't need to be an Oscar worthy movie, but it also doesn't need to be a movie that copies every other modern crappy ADD sci-fi flick (star trek reboots) in both style and substance. Where was the soundtrack? I barely heard it besides the opening and closing credits. There are so many better ways this story could've been told. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 1:07:56 AM EST
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Regarding Rey's parentage/backstory, I recently spoke to a friend and we hashed out a few ideas
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Posted: 12/22/2015 1:08:49 AM EST
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Same here. And I personally think that Snoke is actually Darth Plagueis. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After seeing the movie a second time, I'm calling it: Rey is Luke's daughter. The signs other than her force sensitivity: 1. Maz saying to Rey "that was Luke Skywalker's light saber and his fathers before him. Now it calls to you." 2. Luke looked like he was standing over a grave marked by a stone that blended in very well with the other rocks. Probably a spouse or lover's grave. Personally, I think Luke was getting it on with one of his students, had a kid, had to hide her, dropped her off on Jakku, then Kylo Ren massacred her and the rest of the Jedis in training. He blames himself for her death and Kylo Ren's fall to the dark side so he bails. That's what I came away with as well. Same here. And I personally think that Snoke is actually Darth Plagueis. People keep saying that, and I know I shouldn't still be hung up on the old EU, but Plagueis was a Munn, not a jacked up human. I think I'd rather see his origin be a fallen student of Luke's that Luke didn't recognize had turned to the dark side, who then secretly corrupted Kylo Ren and engineered the rise of the First Order. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 1:08:59 AM EST
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Just got back from seeing it. I enjoyed it and was surprised that flip flop doopy doop even though I saw the spoiler from days ago. My daughter cried at that part. Also, there was a comment either in this thread or another thread whom commented about how Finn and Rey (Ray?) could use a lightsaber without training. Han also used a saber and had no training to save Luke. Besides, you could see that neither Finn (especially Finn) had no clue how to use it. Rey (Ray?) even had trouble with it but she had training with the staff she used throughout the movie. Even Kylo stated that she lacked training. I saw a lot of Ralph Mcquarrie's influence in this movie. A lot of the droids from his sketches made it as well as some of the he aliens. I lived the trooper with the shield; the one that fought Finn. I have the figure that guy was based off of. Also Kylo took a blaster to the kidney which helped weaken him.. Which explains how Finn and Rey could even have a chance. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 1:10:12 AM EST
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Shes been all over the media bitching about how she had to lose weight for the role  . Makes me wonder just how big she had gotten
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Carrie Fisher was fucking terrible. They should have left her out of the movie. Shes been all over the media bitching about how she had to lose weight for the role . Makes me wonder just how big she had gotten
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Posted: 12/22/2015 1:18:46 AM EST
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Also Kylo took a blaster to the kidney which helped weaken him.. Which explains how Finn and Rey could even have a chance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just got back from seeing it. I enjoyed it and was surprised that flip flop doopy doop even though I saw the spoiler from days ago. My daughter cried at that part. Also, there was a comment either in this thread or another thread whom commented about how Finn and Rey (Ray?) could use a lightsaber without training. Han also used a saber and had no training to save Luke. Besides, you could see that neither Finn (especially Finn) had no clue how to use it. Rey (Ray?) even had trouble with it but she had training with the staff she used throughout the movie. Even Kylo stated that she lacked training. I saw a lot of Ralph Mcquarrie's influence in this movie. A lot of the droids from his sketches made it as well as some of the he aliens. I lived the trooper with the shield; the one that fought Finn. I have the figure that guy was based off of. Also Kylo took a blaster to the kidney which helped weaken him.. Which explains how Finn and Rey could even have a chance. There were several instances of "Wow, Chewie your bowcaster is really powerful" as some random trooper gets bowled over with a single shot from it. Kylo takes a hit from it, and winces. Add to that that he is not completely trained, not in control of his emotions, overconfident in his abilities, toying with Rey and trying to get a read on who she was, and it's two on one, and that's how he doesn't win their fight. Also, I don't believe you need to be force sensitive or a Jedi/Sith to use a saber |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 1:57:08 AM EST
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Even at 100k those upstart actors would have been stupid not to take a role in SW.. They are now huge blips on the Hollywood radar and if they are any good at acting their careers will be off and running.
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:18:49 AM EST
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Even at 100k those upstart actors would have been stupid not to take a role in SW.. They are now huge blips on the Hollywood radar and if they are any good at acting their careers will be off and running. You can't be a no name actor and expect to make anything remotely close to what Ford was paid. Not so fast. Taking the role is not without risk. If Jake Lloyd's career were still alive, I bet he it would tell you he it regrets the fuck out of taking that role. ETA: It looks like JL's death was a hoax. Edited my post to reflect reality.
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:27:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Regarding Rey's parentage/backstory, I recently spoke to a friend and we hashed out a few ideas Click To View Spoiler Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:39:20 AM EST
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So, I know it has probably been asked before, but I ain't wading through all the pages.
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:44:51 AM EST
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So, I know it has probably been asked before, but I ain't wading through all the pages. Click To View Spoiler Most likely but it was not revealed. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:50:29 AM EST
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Not so fast. Taking the role is not without risk. If Jake Lloyd were still alive, I bet he would tell you he regrets the fuck out of taking that role. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Even at 100k those upstart actors would have been stupid not to take a role in SW.. They are now huge blips on the Hollywood radar and if they are any good at acting their careers will be off and running. You can't be a no name actor and expect to make anything remotely close to what Ford was paid. Not so fast. Taking the role is not without risk. If Jake Lloyd were still alive, I bet he would tell you he regrets the fuck out of taking that role. Ummm...he IS still alive... |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:51:56 AM EST
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Even at 100k those upstart actors would have been stupid not to take a role in SW.. They are now huge blips on the Hollywood radar and if they are any good at acting their careers will be off and running. You can't be a no name actor and expect to make anything remotely close to what Ford was paid. Not so fast. Taking the role is not without risk. If Jake Lloyd were still alive, I bet he would tell you he regrets the fuck out of taking that role. Ummm...he IS still alive... I read he was found dead this past August in his bed. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:54:52 AM EST
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Even at 100k those upstart actors would have been stupid not to take a role in SW.. They are now huge blips on the Hollywood radar and if they are any good at acting their careers will be off and running. You can't be a no name actor and expect to make anything remotely close to what Ford was paid. Not so fast. Taking the role is not without risk. If Jake Lloyd were still alive, I bet he would tell you he regrets the fuck out of taking that role. Ummm...he IS still alive... I read he was found dead this past August in his bed. Another internet hoax. Apparently he does have scizophrenia though. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:55:40 AM EST
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Even at 100k those upstart actors would have been stupid not to take a role in SW.. They are now huge blips on the Hollywood radar and if they are any good at acting their careers will be off and running. You can't be a no name actor and expect to make anything remotely close to what Ford was paid. Not so fast. Taking the role is not without risk. If Jake Lloyd were still alive, I bet he would tell you he regrets the fuck out of taking that role. Ummm...he IS still alive... I read he was found dead this past August in his bed .
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Posted: 12/22/2015 3:15:35 AM EST
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So, I know it has probably been asked before, but I ain't wading through all the pages. Click To View Spoiler I don't think so.I think kylo is hurt, tired, pissed, and finn still got hurt pretty bad. A light saber is not magical. It's just a sword. Finn may have taken bushido or fencing our something as part of His military training. You don't need to be a Jedi to turn a light saber on, or use it.it just helps due to fast reflexes and limited ability to predict the future |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 4:06:03 AM EST
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Even at 100k those upstart actors would have been stupid not to take a role in SW.. They are now huge blips on the Hollywood radar and if they are any good at acting their careers will be off and running. You can't be a no name actor and expect to make anything remotely close to what Ford was paid. Not so fast. Taking the role is not without risk. If Jake Lloyd's career were still alive, I bet he it would tell you he it regrets the fuck out of taking that role. Ummm...he IS still alive... I read he was found dead this past August in his bed . I guess it was a hoax Shit, got me too. Time for a funny edit. ETA: There.
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Posted: 12/22/2015 4:12:56 AM EST
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I hope this is a hoax too:
Hayden Christensen returning for Star Wars VIII He's not listed yet on imdb for Ep 8 but then again, barely anyone is yet. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 6:32:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just remembered there was also Mace Windu (Samuel L Jackson). I guess I had mentally blocked out Episodes I-III. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A 5ish YO asked his dad if there really were "brown people" in space  I expect Finn to be the son of Lando, the only other "brown person" in space. There was a "brown person" X-Wing pilot in RotJ during the attack on Death Star II, as far as I know his name was never mentioned, which is a good thing because it probably would have been Rando given George Lucas' lack of imagination when it comes to names, which would have solidified that the Calrissians are pretty much it. There was also an "Asian-AmericanRebellion" A-Wing pilot in the same battle, he had pink goggles, his name was never mentioned either, which is also a good thing because (again, since Lucas sucks at coming up with names) it would probably have been Geo Ta-Kei. Pink googles, oh my! I just remembered there was also Mace Windu (Samuel L Jackson). I guess I had mentally blocked out Episodes I-III. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 6:33:15 AM EST
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Posted: 12/22/2015 6:44:16 AM EST
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I liked the movie but damn, they just *had* to throw the interracial relationship angle in there, didn't they? PC police win again!
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Posted: 12/22/2015 6:59:17 AM EST
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I liked the movie but damn, they just *had* to throw the interracial relationship angle in there, didn't they? PC police win again! Or maybe I'm just jaded. *shrug* I think you are over thinking it |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 8:56:19 AM EST
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Enjoyed the movie , it's a good start for rebooting the series Still trying the figure out the purpose of the female chrome e trooper other than walking around and giving comic relief Bring fett back , more grit, less weird shit like female troopers and the bad guys ears are fucking huge I thought it was weird to have a female trooper but never show her face. I am sure she will come up again. Interesting trivia, the bad guy was a Marine in Afg. Adam Driver was an 03 but never deployed. He was got injured at the same time his unit was in a work up for deployment and was medically separated. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 9:19:53 AM EST
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I liked the movie but damn, they just *had* to throw the interracial relationship angle in there, didn't they? PC police win again! Or maybe I'm just jaded. *shrug* I think you are over thinking it Some people just seem to be triggered by black characters in general. There is no canon precedent for Finn, and thus no way to say he's not "supposed to be" black (which is the usual excuse). Yet there's been at least a dozen posts in the various threads where this has really, really bothered people. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 9:22:41 AM EST
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Yeah, I'm thinking you're off your nut. It wasn't Oscar worthy, but it was well made, well acted and incredible visually. The critics were just as positive about it as the fans and they aren't generally ga-ga about SFX. to each his own, but this movie was just another reboot of a franchise that didn't need rebooted, and time will agree with me, once the afterglow dies down. 1)It wasn't a reboot, it was a sequel. Learn the difference. 2)No, I won't agree with you in time. My opinions don't change that easily. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 9:25:06 AM EST
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Some people just seem to be triggered by black characters in general. There is no canon precedent for Finn, and thus no way to say he's not "supposed to be" black (which is the usual sexcuse). Yet there's been at least a dozen posts in the various threads where this has really, really bothered people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I liked the movie but damn, they just *had* to throw the interracial relationship angle in there, didn't they? PC police win again! Or maybe I'm just jaded. *shrug* I think you are over thinking it Some people just seem to be triggered by black characters in general. There is no canon precedent for Finn, and thus no way to say he's not "supposed to be" black (which is the usual sexcuse). Yet there's been at least a dozen posts in the various threads where this has really, really bothered people. Finn's race wasn't even a factor for me. He was just a character, and one that I liked the most of all the new characters, actually. People in GD are as hung up on race as the BLM assholes. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 9:28:13 AM EST
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Finn's race wasn't even a factor for me. He was just a character, and one that I liked the most of all the new characters, actually. People in GD are as hung up on race as the BLM assholes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I liked the movie but damn, they just *had* to throw the interracial relationship angle in there, didn't they? PC police win again! Or maybe I'm just jaded. *shrug* I think you are over thinking it Some people just seem to be triggered by black characters in general. There is no canon precedent for Finn, and thus no way to say he's not "supposed to be" black (which is the usual sexcuse). Yet there's been at least a dozen posts in the various threads where this has really, really bothered people. Finn's race wasn't even a factor for me. He was just a character, and one that I liked the most of all the new characters, actually. People in GD are as hung up on race as the BLM assholes. I thought he was great as well, though I think I liked Rey better. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 9:30:18 AM EST
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I liked the movie but damn, they just *had* to throw the interracial relationship angle in there, didn't they? PC police win again! Or maybe I'm just jaded. *shrug* I think you are over thinking it Some people just seem to be triggered by black characters in general. There is no canon precedent for Finn, and thus no way to say he's not "supposed to be" black (which is the usual sexcuse). Yet there's been at least a dozen posts in the various threads where this has really, really bothered people. Finn's race wasn't even a factor for me. He was just a character, and one that I liked the most of all the new characters, actually. People in GD are as hung up on race as the BLM assholes. I thought he was great as well, though I think I liked Rey better. I really liked the new characters, regardless of race or sex, they were both likable |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 10:08:54 AM EST
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I really liked the new characters, regardless of race or sex, they were both likable I am in the same boat. Both Finn and Rey were/are good characters that should add a lot more in the next two movies. I do think that Rey is Luke's daughter but not sure about Finn. He could be just some random person caught up in everything. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 10:16:32 AM EST
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After seeing the movie a second time, I'm calling it: Rey is Luke's daughter. That's my take. My brother-in-Law insists she has to be another of Han's. Possible, but theres practically nothing that points to it. Wouldn't Han and Leia at least mention her when talking about their son? Why would they have her dumped on Jakku? He keeps resorting to books and graphic novel references when we have this discussion. In fairness, there was nothing that pointed to Vader being Lukes father either, til it happened. There kinda is a precedent, and if this series does one thing, it echoes itself well, and often. 
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Posted: 12/22/2015 10:23:33 AM EST
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After seeing the movie a second time, I'm calling it: Rey is Luke's daughter. That's my take. My brother-in-Law insists she has to be another of Han's. Possible, but theres practically nothing that points to it. Wouldn't Han and Leia at least mention her when talking about their son? Why would they have her dumped on Jakku? He keeps resorting to books and graphic novel references when we have this discussion. In fairness, there was nothing that pointed to Vader being Lukes father either, til it happened. There kinda is a precedent, and if this series does one thing, it echoes itself well, and often. Probably Luke's , now he is gonna train her blah blah then it will be Skywalker baby verses solo baby anamosity drama choices epic feels |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 10:25:24 AM EST
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Lucas never actually had a plan, he had some vague ideas (some of which got used like the Obi Wan vs Vader volcano fight) but he never had an real plan or outline for any movie past the next one he was making when he made the original three. ETA: Hell, his original idea for Star Wars was to make it and then open up the Galaxy Far, Far Away for other people to make whatever movies they wanted in the setting as a serial/anthology series. Then he actually got around to making it and he thought the movie was going to bomb and was just praying he'd ever get to make a movie ever again, and then when it became a blockbuster he nixed his original idea and decided to keep it as his own special playground and money printing machine. Never, ever, trust anything George Lucas says about Star Wars unless he's actually describing how he filmed a specific scene and only then in an interview he gave right after the movie with the scene in question was released. His stories changes more often than Hillary Clinton's do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It felt like Star wars, but didn't. I kind of lean toward it was a mistake to use the originals after such a long gap. In Starlog or something during the original trilogy, Lucas' original plan was prequel trilogy and sequal trilogy. Lucas never actually had a plan, he had some vague ideas (some of which got used like the Obi Wan vs Vader volcano fight) but he never had an real plan or outline for any movie past the next one he was making when he made the original three. ETA: Hell, his original idea for Star Wars was to make it and then open up the Galaxy Far, Far Away for other people to make whatever movies they wanted in the setting as a serial/anthology series. Then he actually got around to making it and he thought the movie was going to bomb and was just praying he'd ever get to make a movie ever again, and then when it became a blockbuster he nixed his original idea and decided to keep it as his own special playground and money printing machine. Never, ever, trust anything George Lucas says about Star Wars unless he's actually describing how he filmed a specific scene and only then in an interview he gave right after the movie with the scene in question was released. His stories changes more often than Hillary Clinton's do. He had dreams from that one explosively creative period he had in the mid-70s. I also read the Starlog where Lucas mentioned 9 (and sometimes 12!) Movies in the SW universe. He had that many ideas, but it is true, he also had to deal with the realities of the market. If Star Wars had flopped, we wouldn't have even gotten ESB. I think I recall reading hints to Malastare and Vaders origin in the original movie novelization. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 10:27:54 AM EST
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Posted: 12/22/2015 10:35:05 AM EST
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Saw it last night with my Dad, and it was great. I had seen the originals back in the 90's as a kid, so they have the nostalgia factor for me, but I've never considered myself a huge starwars fan.
Overall I thought the movie was everything I had hoped it would be. It took everything I hated about the prequels and discarded them. The humor was subtle and well timed; it wasn't cheesy and lame. It was fast-paced, the action was real and raw in a sense (no hopping around like a ballerina during light saber duels). For me it was like watching Daniel Craig scrap his way through as the new James Bond after Pierce Brosnan was too smooth and debonair, or Shia Labeouf caught up in the action of Transformers. The characters (good and bad) were relatable and more real to me. Click To View Spoiler I will most likely have to watch this again in theater. |
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