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Posted: 1/4/2013 1:30:39 PM EST
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What's the problem with HR133? Sounds like that would be a good bill for us. Get rid of the gun free school zone or am I miss reading that? I was thinking the same thing. Of course, without the text of the bill we can't know for sure. |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 1:37:03 PM EST
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Posted: 1/4/2013 1:53:06 PM EST
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http://judiciary.house.gov/about/members.html
These are the people who will be reviewing those boogers proposed by Carolyn McCarthy. |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:04:14 PM EST
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Actually... If they struck down FOPA, it would strike down the 1986 Hughes Amendment. I'd gladly purchase my ammo locally if it meant I could legally build full auto guns. They will never let that happen, ever. |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:28:23 PM EST
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HR 21 is up on Moran's Facebook page.
Washington, DC – Congressman Jim Moran, Northern Virginia Democrat, reintroduced the “NRA Members’ Gun Safety Act” (H.R. 21) in the 113th Congress. The legislation would implement five commonsense gun safety reforms that polling shows are supported by at least 63 percent of NRA members. “The “NRA Members’ Gun Safety Act” (H.R. 21) goes after commonsense, popular, publicly polled, non-controversial gun safety measures that a majority of NRA members support, yet are opposed by the leadership at the NRA,” said Rep. Moran. “The NRA is working to block gun safety reforms, regardless of merit, and despite the schism between the group and their membership. In the wake of the most recent tragedy, enough is enough. It’s time to take steps to better protect the public in ways that do not infringe on the 2nd Amendment.” Specifically, the popular provisions in the legislation would: • Require background checks for every gun purchase (74% NRA member support); • Require background checks on gun shop employees (79% NRA member support); • Prohibit individuals on the terrorist watch list from purchasing firearms (71% NRA member support); • Require gun owners to report to police when their guns are lost or stolen (64% NRA member supports); and • Establish minimum standards for concealed carry permits (63-75% NRA member support for each standard) Moran continued: “As the first bill I introduced this Congress, H.R. 21 represents one of my top priorities – taking commonsense steps to prevent future gun-related deaths.” To read a summary of the legislation, please visit: http://moran.house.gov/press-release/moran-introduces-%E2%80%9Cnra-members%E2%80%99-gun-safety-act%E2%80%9D |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:31:39 PM EST
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Quoted: HR 21 is up on Moran's Facebook page. Washington, DC – Congressman Jim Moran, Northern Virginia Democrat, reintroduced the "NRA Members’ Gun Safety Act” (H.R. 21) in the 113th Congress. The legislation would implement five commonsense gun safety reforms that polling shows are supported by at least 63 percent of NRA members. "The "NRA Members’ Gun Safety Act” (H.R. 21) goes after commonsense, popular, publicly polled, non-controversial gun safety measures that a majority of NRA members support, yet are opposed by the leadership at the NRA,” said Rep. Moran. "The NRA is working to block gun safety reforms, regardless of merit, and despite the schism between the group and their membership. In the wake of the most recent tragedy, enough is enough. It’s time to take steps to better protect the public in ways that do not infringe on the 2nd Amendment.” Specifically, the popular provisions in the legislation would: • Require background checks for every gun purchase (74% NRA member support); • Require background checks on gun shop employees (79% NRA member support); • Prohibit individuals on the terrorist watch list from purchasing firearms (71% NRA member support); • Require gun owners to report to police when their guns are lost or stolen (64% NRA member supports); and • Establish minimum standards for concealed carry permits (63-75% NRA member support for each standard) Moran continued: "As the first bill I introduced this Congress, H.R. 21 represents one of my top priorities – taking commonsense steps to prevent future gun-related deaths.” To read a summary of the legislation, please visit: http://moran.house.gov/press-release/moran-introduces-%E2%80%9Cnra-members%E2%80%99-gun-safety-act%E2%80%9D hmmm, as an NRA member, I don't remember getting that ballot in the mail  |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:32:15 PM EST
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WASHINGTON -- There aren't many people who would consider the Ford Motor Co. or a 2-year-old to be terrorist threats, but the United States' premier database for classifying such dangers includes both, according to Department of Homeland Security officials interviewed in a Senate committee investigation. The report, released this week by the Senate Homeland Security Committee's Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, focused on the dubious counterterrorism effectiveness of some 77 "fusion centers." The report found these centers do a terrible job funneling useful threat information from the local law enforcers to national intelligence agents. The report concluded that much of the information generated was useless and some was potentially unconstitutional. But it also found that the premier database that the fusion centers -- and indeed all of the nation's counterterrorism systems -- depend on is so deeply flawed that Homeland Security officials mock it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/terrorist-watch-list-database_n_1936515.html "One study found that in Florida CCW holders were 300 times less likely than the general population to commit a crime. The firearm crime rate among license holders, annually averaging only several crimes per 100,000 licensees, is a fraction of the rate for the state as a whole. Between the beginning of Florida’s permitting program and the end of 2005, the state issued 1,104,468 concealed weapons permits. During that time period; 3,643 permits were revoked—a rate of about .3 percent. Of those revocations; 2,941 involved a crime after licensure; 157 of those crimes involved the use of a firearm. " "A Texas study found that CCW holders in that state were "5.7 times less likely to commit a violent crime, and 14 times less likely to commit a non-violent offense." "North Carolina reports only 0.2% of their 263,102 holders had their license revoked in the 10 years since they have adopted the law." Georgia: "studies by numerous independent researchers and state agencies have found that concealed handgun license holders are five times less likely than non-license holders to commit violent crimes" in 2004, the state of Utah had a permit revocation rate of about .4 percent. The rate for revocations due to firearm offenses was .02 percent.. between 1986 and 2003, only .8 percent of Kentucky's 71,770 licenses were revoked for any reason in 2001, Indiana revoked about .2 percent of its outstanding concealed weapon permits since the inception of its concealed weapons program in 1995, Virginia has seen a revocation rate of just .2 percent. between October of 1994 and February of 1996, the state of Wyoming issued 2,273 permits and revoked four, a revocation rate of just under .2 percent. between 1996, when its shall-issue law passed, and September of 1999, the state of Oklahoma issued 30,406 permits and revoked only 62–a rate of .2 percent. |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:34:18 PM EST
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Quoted: HR 21 is up on Moran's Facebook page. Washington, DC – Congressman Jim Moran, Northern Virginia Democrat, reintroduced the "NRA Members’ Gun Safety Act” (H.R. 21) in the 113th Congress. The legislation would implement five commonsense gun safety reforms that polling shows are supported by at least 63 percent of NRA members. "The "NRA Members’ Gun Safety Act” (H.R. 21) goes after commonsense, popular, publicly polled, non-controversial gun safety measures that a majority of NRA members support, yet are opposed by the leadership at the NRA,” said Rep. Moran. "The NRA is working to block gun safety reforms, regardless of merit, and despite the schism between the group and their membership. In the wake of the most recent tragedy, enough is enough. It’s time to take steps to better protect the public in ways that do not infringe on the 2nd Amendment.” Specifically, the popular provisions in the legislation would: • Require background checks for every gun purchase (74% NRA member support); • Require background checks on gun shop employees (79% NRA member support); • Prohibit individuals on the terrorist watch list from purchasing firearms (71% NRA member support); • Require gun owners to report to police when their guns are lost or stolen (64% NRA member supports); and • Establish minimum standards for concealed carry permits (63-75% NRA member support for each standard) Moran continued: "As the first bill I introduced this Congress, H.R. 21 represents one of my top priorities – taking commonsense steps to prevent future gun-related deaths.” To read a summary of the legislation, please visit: http://moran.house.gov/press-release/moran-introduces-%E2%80%9Cnra-members%E2%80%99-gun-safety-act%E2%80%9D Get a brian, morans! |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:35:29 PM EST
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hmmm, as an NRA member, I don't remember getting that ballot in the mail
Uh yeah me too. |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:37:51 PM EST
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Quoted: looks like 141 and 137 would have the best chance of making it through. I can see that also......  |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:37:58 PM EST
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Still to this day I scratch my head every time Carolyn McCarthy gets re-elected. The only time you hear a peep out of this bitch is when there is gun bill to push.
Has she ever written any legislation of her own, has she ever done anything in congress but play the victim? A nurse turned victim, turned congressional retard and how was she qualified for a such a position to begin with? |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:38:48 PM EST
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Quoted: There were 20 more children alive last Congress.....They introduced these bills last Congress too. |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:46:59 PM EST
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Quoted: Why are all these in the House? I thought these would originate in the Senate... Ummm....that is where legislation is supposed to begin.... |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 2:57:08 PM EST
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Now with moar NRA rating:
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I think ive found the roster of the 113th congress Judiciary Committee. Chairman: Robert W. Goodlatte, Va. A Constitution and Civil Justice: Trent Franks, Ariz. A+ Courts, Intellectual Property and the Internet: Howard Coble, N.C. A Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security and Investigations: Jim Sensenbrener, Wis. A Immigration and Border Security: Trey Gowdy, S.C. A 
Regulatory Reform, Commercial and Antitrust Law: Spencer Bachus, Ala. A Full Committee: Doug Collins, Ga. A Ron DeSantis, Fla. AQ Blake Farenthold, Texas A George E.B. Holding, N.C. AQ Raúl R. Labrador, Idaho A Keith Rothfus, Pa. AQ Ranking member: John Conyers Jr., Mich. F Full Committee: Jerrold Nadler, N.Y. F Robert C. Scott, Va. ? Melvin Watt, N.C. F Zoe Lofgren, Calif. F Sheila Jackson Lee, Texas F Steve Cohen, Tenn. F Hank Johnson, Ga. F Pedro R. Pierluisi, P.R. ? Mike Quigley, Ill. F Judy CHu, Calif. F Ted Deutch, Fla. F Karen Bass, Calif. F Cedric L. Richmond, La. D- Suzan DelBene, Wash. ? Joe Garcia, Fla. F Hakeem Jeffries, N.Y. F Hit those AQ's with letters! |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 3:05:31 PM EST
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...to increase resources to identify and eliminate illicit sources of firearms into Mexico for use by violent drug trafficking organizations...
So HR72 is a bill to investigate the ATF? ETA - Nolo, take out the "mailto:" portion before your top two links. Proposed by a former black panther |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 3:52:49 PM EST
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Some of these don't even make sense...
One I didn't see that I actually wouldn't have a problem with simply on the basis that it seems like a gaping loophole in terms of making sure shitheads don't illegaly purchase a firearm is face to face purchases of any firearms. If I had to compromise on anything, this would be one that I would run with. Quoted: H.R.141 Latest Title: To require criminal background checks on all firearms transactions occurring at gun shows. Pardon my ignorance... don't we already do this? H.R.21 Latest Title: To provide for greater safety in the use of firearms. Ok... deal. Attention everyone, Please be more safe. You can start by READING THE INSTRUCTIONS!!! H.R.93 Latest Title: To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to restrict the ability of a person whose Federal license to import, manufacture, or deal in firearms has been revoked, whose application to renew such a license has been denied, or who has received a license revocation or renewal denial notice, to transfer business inventory firearms, and for other purposes. Restrict how? Maybe my my grasp of the English language is slipping, but that doesn't seem to make any sense. H.R.137 Latest Title: To ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed in the national instant criminal background check system and require a background check for every firearm sale. Pardon my ignorance... don't we already do this? Isn't the only way you're prohibited from buying if you're a criminal? Or do they want to include mental illness as part of criminal background checks? I have no problem with making the NIC idiot proof... I've seen the dealers at gun shows... they're not exactly rocket surgeons, so it's certainly within the realm of possibility that someone slips through the cracks. H.R.72 Latest Title: To provide for emergency deployments of United States Border Patrol agents and to increase the number of DEA and ATF agents along the international border of the United States to increase resources to identify and eliminate illicit sources of firearms into Mexico for use by violent drug trafficking organizations and for other lawful activities, and for other purposes. Is this to make up for Fast and Furious? Beyond that I don't see how more DEA and ATF is going to fix gun violence in schools. H.R.34 Latest Title: To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms, and for other purposes. Some states do this... and it's a royal pain in the ass. It doesn't make anyone any safer. And it would cripple commerce at gun shows. H.R.138 Latest Title: To prohibit the transfer or possession of large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and for other purposes. No no and no. This would definitely be the end. H.R.142 Latest Title: To require face to face purchases of ammunition, to require licensing of ammunition dealers, and to require reporting regarding bulk purchases of ammunition. This one is just retarded and again does nothing for safety. H.R.133 Latest Title: To repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 and amendments to that Act. This one sounds like a good thing... is that possible? Quoted: We are NOT farked. Call / write your rep now! Tell them "NO NEW GUN CONTROL!" Yeah... that works wonders. And with a sprinkle of pixie dust you may also get some rights back to boot. |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 3:56:56 PM EST
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Why are all these in the House? I thought these would originate in the Senate... Ummm....that is where legislation is supposed to begin.... No, only spending bills. Other legislation can start in either house. |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 3:58:45 PM EST
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Now with moar NRA rating: Quoted:
I think ive found the roster of the 113th congress Judiciary Committee. Chairman: Robert W. Goodlatte, Va. A Constitution and Civil Justice: Trent Franks, Ariz. A+ Courts, Intellectual Property and the Internet: Howard Coble, N.C. A Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security and Investigations: Jim Sensenbrener, Wis. A Immigration and Border Security: Trey Gowdy, S.C. A
Regulatory Reform, Commercial and Antitrust Law: Spencer Bachus, Ala. A Full Committee: Doug Collins, Ga. A Ron DeSantis, Fla. AQ Blake Farenthold, Texas A George E.B. Holding, N.C. AQ Raúl R. Labrador, Idaho A Keith Rothfus, Pa. AQ Ranking member: John Conyers Jr., Mich. F Full Committee: Jerrold Nadler, N.Y. F Robert C. Scott, Va. ? Melvin Watt, N.C. F Zoe Lofgren, Calif. F Sheila Jackson Lee, Texas F Steve Cohen, Tenn. F Hank Johnson, Ga. F Pedro R. Pierluisi, P.R. ? Mike Quigley, Ill. F Judy CHu, Calif. F Ted Deutch, Fla. F Karen Bass, Calif. F Cedric L. Richmond, La. D- Suzan DelBene, Wash. ? Joe Garcia, Fla. F Hakeem Jeffries, N.Y. F Hit those AQ's with letters! Maybe I'm not reading the chart right, but why do the minority members outnumber the majority? |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:04:50 PM EST
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http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d113:72:./list/bss/d113HR.lst:: H.R.72 Latest Title: To provide for emergency deployments of United States Border Patrol agents and to increase the number of DEA and ATF agents along the international border of the United States to increase resources to identify and eliminate illicit sources of firearms into Mexico for use by violent drug trafficking organizations and for other lawful activities, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Rep Jackson Lee, Sheila [TX-18] (introduced 1/3/2013) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 1/3/2013 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Homeland Security, and in addition to the Committee on the Judiciary, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned. Are they really going through with this charade after F&F? http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d113:133:./list/bss/d113HR.lst::
H.R.133 Latest Title: To repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 and amendments to that Act. Sponsor: Rep Massie, Thomas [KY-4] (introduced 1/3/2013) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 1/3/2013 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. The only pro-gun bill and the only one introduced by a Republican. Yeah, both parties are the same. 
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:06:47 PM EST
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Here's a link to the Popvox site for each of the bills.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1415376_.html&page=1&anc=37586002#i37586002 |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:06:48 PM EST
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http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d113:141:./list/bss/d113HR.lst:: H.R.141 Latest Title: To require criminal background checks on all firearms transactions occurring at gun shows. Sponsor: Rep McCarthy, Carolyn [NY-4] (introduced 1/3/2013) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 1/3/2013 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d113:21:./list/bss/d113HR.lst:: H.R.21 Latest Title: To provide for greater safety in the use of firearms. Sponsor: Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] (introduced 1/3/2013) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 1/3/2013 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d113:93:./list/bss/d113HR.lst:: H.R.93 Latest Title: To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to restrict the ability of a person whose Federal license to import, manufacture, or deal in firearms has been revoked, whose application to renew such a license has been denied, or who has received a license revocation or renewal denial notice, to transfer business inventory firearms, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Rep Cicilline, David N. [RI-1] (introduced 1/3/2013) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 1/3/2013 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d113:137:./list/bss/d113HR.lst:: H.R.137 Latest Title: To ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed in the national instant criminal background check system and require a background check for every firearm sale. Sponsor: Rep McCarthy, Carolyn [NY-4] (introduced 1/3/2013) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 1/3/2013 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d113:72:./list/bss/d113HR.lst:: H.R.72 Latest Title: To provide for emergency deployments of United States Border Patrol agents and to increase the number of DEA and ATF agents along the international border of the United States to increase resources to identify and eliminate illicit sources of firearms into Mexico for use by violent drug trafficking organizations and for other lawful activities, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Rep Jackson Lee, Sheila [TX-18] (introduced 1/3/2013) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 1/3/2013 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Homeland Security, and in addition to the Committee on the Judiciary, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d113:34:./list/bss/d113HR.lst:: H.R.34 Latest Title: To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Rep Rush, Bobby L. [IL-1] (introduced 1/3/2013) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 1/3/2013 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d113:138:./list/bss/d113HR.lst:: H.R.138 Latest Title: To prohibit the transfer or possession of large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Rep McCarthy, Carolyn [NY-4] (introduced 1/3/2013) Cosponsors (1) Latest Major Action: 1/3/2013 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d113:142:./list/bss/d113HR.lst:: H.R.142 Latest Title: To require face to face purchases of ammunition, to require licensing of ammunition dealers, and to require reporting regarding bulk purchases of ammunition. Sponsor: Rep McCarthy, Carolyn [NY-4] (introduced 1/3/2013) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 1/3/2013 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d113:133:./list/bss/d113HR.lst:: H.R.133 Latest Title: To repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 and amendments to that Act. Sponsor: Rep Massie, Thomas [KY-4] (introduced 1/3/2013) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 1/3/2013 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. FIFY. Highlighted the asshats that sponsored this unconstitutional shit. Maybe you should actually read that last one.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:07:42 PM EST
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Forwarded to all I know.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:08:35 PM EST
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Excellent thread
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:08:48 PM EST
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Now with moar NRA rating: Quoted:
I think ive found the roster of the 113th congress Judiciary Committee. Chairman: Robert W. Goodlatte, Va. A Constitution and Civil Justice: Trent Franks, Ariz. A+ Courts, Intellectual Property and the Internet: Howard Coble, N.C. A Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security and Investigations: Jim Sensenbrener, Wis. A Immigration and Border Security: Trey Gowdy, S.C. A
Regulatory Reform, Commercial and Antitrust Law: Spencer Bachus, Ala. A Full Committee: Doug Collins, Ga. A Ron DeSantis, Fla. AQ Blake Farenthold, Texas A George E.B. Holding, N.C. AQ Raúl R. Labrador, Idaho A Keith Rothfus, Pa. AQ Ranking member: John Conyers Jr., Mich. F Full Committee: Jerrold Nadler, N.Y. F Robert C. Scott, Va. ? Melvin Watt, N.C. F Zoe Lofgren, Calif. F Sheila Jackson Lee, Texas F Steve Cohen, Tenn. F Hank Johnson, Ga. F Pedro R. Pierluisi, P.R. ? Mike Quigley, Ill. F Judy CHu, Calif. F Ted Deutch, Fla. F Karen Bass, Calif. F Cedric L. Richmond, La. D- Suzan DelBene, Wash. ? Joe Garcia, Fla. F Hakeem Jeffries, N.Y. F Hit those AQ's with letters! Maybe I'm not reading the chart right, but why do the minority members outnumber the majority? Had that question myself...I'm guessing it's an incomplete list. |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:11:33 PM EST
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http://judiciary.house.gov/about/members.html Judiciary Committee Members. Some of these have changed. I think this is still 2011-2012. I know Tim Griffin has moved to the Way and Means Committee. These people are our first line of defense. no we are 
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:18:29 PM EST
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Wow.
They are busy little (anti-gun) bees, aren't they? |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:36:05 PM EST
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Wow. They are busy little (anti-gun) bees, aren't they? Are those bills really any different than the ones the gun grabbers introduce every year? McCarthy is a vulture living off the blood of her dead husband and injured son almost 20 years after they were shot by crazy man. If she had focused on mental health instead of gun grabbing she might have done some good. Monk |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:44:50 PM EST
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Dear lord, they are like a bunch of little kids. How many times do you have to say no before they get a backhand. I wish they would pass a reverse term limit on bills and\or similes of those bills for ten years. Like a bunch of small yapping dogs. Until it passes and is signed into law. California has a law about submitting the same bill over and over again, year after year. Yet if you have a D next to your name, they ignore it. Some shit got proposed 4-5 times in a row before it snuck through and was signed into law. |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:46:10 PM EST
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Definitely call/write your senator and congressman, definitely donate to the NRA and GOoA, and certainly don't give up hope because, despite the media echo chamber, it is far from a sure thing that these bills will become law.
For one, a majority of Americans, according to USAToday/Gallup, oppose reinstating the Assault Weapons ban. Policy gains are understood by all parties to be zero, and given public opinion, political gains for anyone who doesn't represent solid blue states/district is dubious. Let's review civics 101. In order for a bill to actually become law, it has to make it out of committee in both the House and the Senate, and the senate majority leader or the speaker of the house of representatives has to schedule a floor vote. First things first, will these bills make it out of committee? In the Senate, probably. In the House, probably not. The reason is that republicans, as the majority party, also control all the committees in the house of representatives. Then Speaker Boehner has to schedule a floor vote. Unless he actually believes in banning assault weapons, there's no reason for him to do this. In fact, he has every reason not to. CNN and MSNBC are going to bash him, sure, but the only people that matter are the voters in his district, and the voters in his district are overwhelmingly conservative. He won in 2010 by 35 points, and ran unopposed in 2012. He will only lose votes in a general election, but not enough to cost him his seat. His bigger problem is losing to a primary challenger. Gun owners are a very high propensity voting bloc, and a very unforgiving one. Enough gun owners will surely show up to defeat his nomination. Oh, and don't forget Harry Reid. He represents a comparatively gun-loving state and has, rightly, built a reputation as one of the Senate's most solid defenders of gun rights. He would throw all of that away if he voted for an AWB, or even allowed it to come to a vote. |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:48:48 PM EST
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:49:37 PM EST
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They are throwing everything they got at the wall and seeing what sticks.
They know the longer they wait, the less willing the people are going to accept gun control measures. The fact that they did this pretty much shows me that they don't have shit. If they had something, they wouldn't be playing legal shotgun tactics. |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 4:52:40 PM EST
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Some of you need to read the OP again.
One of those bills was very pro-gun. |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 5:00:34 PM EST
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Now with moar NRA rating: Quoted:
I think ive found the roster of the 113th congress Judiciary Committee. Chairman: Robert W. Goodlatte, Va. A Constitution and Civil Justice: Trent Franks, Ariz. A+ Courts, Intellectual Property and the Internet: Howard Coble, N.C. A Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security and Investigations: Jim Sensenbrener, Wis. A Immigration and Border Security: Trey Gowdy, S.C. A
Regulatory Reform, Commercial and Antitrust Law: Spencer Bachus, Ala. A Full Committee: Doug Collins, Ga. A Ron DeSantis, Fla. AQ Blake Farenthold, Texas A George E.B. Holding, N.C. AQ Raúl R. Labrador, Idaho A Keith Rothfus, Pa. AQ Ranking member: John Conyers Jr., Mich. F Full Committee: Jerrold Nadler, N.Y. F Robert C. Scott, Va. ? Melvin Watt, N.C. F Zoe Lofgren, Calif. F Sheila Jackson Lee, Texas F Steve Cohen, Tenn. F Hank Johnson, Ga. F Pedro R. Pierluisi, P.R. ? Mike Quigley, Ill. F Judy CHu, Calif. F Ted Deutch, Fla. F Karen Bass, Calif. F Cedric L. Richmond, La. D- Suzan DelBene, Wash. ? Joe Garcia, Fla. F Hakeem Jeffries, N.Y. F Hit those AQ's with letters! Maybe I'm not reading the chart right, but why do the minority members outnumber the majority? Yea- Im not sure that list i found is complete. |
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Posted: 1/4/2013 5:07:06 PM EST
[#34]
What are the chances of H.R 133 passing? I feel very strong that teachers have a right to defend themselves. I am also vested in this as my wife is a teacher. I can hope right?
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Posted: 1/4/2013 5:26:43 PM EST
[#35]
Here we go!
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Posted: 1/5/2013 12:14:12 AM EST
[#36]
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http://judiciary.house.gov/about/members.html These are the people who will be reviewing those boogers proposed by Carolyn McCarthy. Well at least Issa and Chaffetz are on it |
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Posted: 1/5/2013 12:20:48 AM EST
[#37]
Bitch
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Posted: 1/5/2013 3:45:54 AM EST
[#38]
Drudge has a link to the ILA stating the Feinstein will Fo with her plan on the 22nd.. but the link is dead now..
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Posted: 1/5/2013 3:52:16 AM EST
[#39]
Quoted:
Drudge has a link to the ILA stating the Feinstein will Fo with her plan on the 22nd.. but the link is dead now.. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2975148/posts |
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Posted: 1/5/2013 4:58:40 AM EST
[#40]
Quoted:
Some of these don't even make sense... One I didn't see that I actually wouldn't have a problem with simply on the basis that it seems like a gaping loophole in terms of making sure shitheads don't illegaly purchase a firearm is face to face purchases of any firearms. If I had to compromise on anything, this would be one that I would run with. Quoted:
H.R.141 Latest Title: To require criminal background checks on all firearms transactions occurring at gun shows. Pardon my ignorance... don't we already do this? H.R.21 Latest Title: To provide for greater safety in the use of firearms. Ok... deal. Attention everyone, Please be more safe. You can start by READING THE INSTRUCTIONS!!! H.R.93 Latest Title: To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to restrict the ability of a person whose Federal license to import, manufacture, or deal in firearms has been revoked, whose application to renew such a license has been denied, or who has received a license revocation or renewal denial notice, to transfer business inventory firearms, and for other purposes. Restrict how? Maybe my my grasp of the English language is slipping, but that doesn't seem to make any sense. H.R.137 Latest Title: To ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed in the national instant criminal background check system and require a background check for every firearm sale. Pardon my ignorance... don't we already do this? Isn't the only way you're prohibited from buying if you're a criminal? Or do they want to include mental illness as part of criminal background checks? I have no problem with making the NIC idiot proof... I've seen the dealers at gun shows... they're not exactly rocket surgeons, so it's certainly within the realm of possibility that someone slips through the cracks. H.R.72 Latest Title: To provide for emergency deployments of United States Border Patrol agents and to increase the number of DEA and ATF agents along the international border of the United States to increase resources to identify and eliminate illicit sources of firearms into Mexico for use by violent drug trafficking organizations and for other lawful activities, and for other purposes. Is this to make up for Fast and Furious? Beyond that I don't see how more DEA and ATF is going to fix gun violence in schools. H.R.34 Latest Title: To provide for the implementation of a system of licensing for purchasers of certain firearms and for a record of sale system for those firearms, and for other purposes. Some states do this... and it's a royal pain in the ass. It doesn't make anyone any safer. And it would cripple commerce at gun shows. H.R.138 Latest Title: To prohibit the transfer or possession of large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and for other purposes. No no and no. This would definitely be the end. H.R.142 Latest Title: To require face to face purchases of ammunition, to require licensing of ammunition dealers, and to require reporting regarding bulk purchases of ammunition. This one is just retarded and again does nothing for safety. H.R.133 Latest Title: To repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 and amendments to that Act. This one sounds like a good thing... is that possible? Quoted:
We are NOT farked. Call / write your rep now! Tell them "NO NEW GUN CONTROL!" Yeah... that works wonders. And with a sprinkle of pixie dust you may also get some rights back to boot. Re: 141 and 137, they're working to completely eliminate private firearms transfers and make all transfers through FFLs. That is the so-called "gun show loophole" |
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Posted: 1/5/2013 5:37:53 AM EST
[#41]
Quoted: Quoted: Drudge has a link to the ILA stating the Feinstein will Fo with her plan on the 22nd.. but the link is dead now.. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2975148/posts Thanks. That makes sense. |
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Posted: 1/5/2013 5:52:05 AM EST
[#42]
Lets see what the Cowards of Congress will do.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 7:04:35 AM EST
[#43]
Quoted: Lets see what the Cowards of Congress will do. Don't forget.. There is another major grabber who has been very quiet..  (Taken after the 2004 AWB Re-authorization Vote) |
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Posted: 1/5/2013 7:39:24 AM EST
[#44]
Quoted: Quoted: Lets see what the Cowards of Congress will do. Don't forget.. There is another major grabber who has been very quiet.. http://dgilber2.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/vert4senatorsap.jpg (Taken after the 2004 AWB Re-authorization Vote) He's also been sober for 3 years...  |
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Posted: 1/5/2013 4:11:18 PM EST
[#45]
McCarthy is EVIL
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Posted: 1/5/2013 4:37:58 PM EST
[#46]
[Congressional Record Volume 159, Number 1 (Thursday, January 3, 2013)]
[House] [Page H37] From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Printing Office [www.gpo.gov] By Mrs. McCARTHY of New York: H.R. 141. Congress has the power to enact this legislation pursuant to the following: This bill is enacted pursuant to the powers granted to the Congress by Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution. |
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Posted: 1/5/2013 4:52:30 PM EST
[#47]
Commerce clause. Big shock.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 4:59:40 PM EST
[#48]
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Some of you need to read the OP again. One of those bills was very pro-gun. ..Yeah, I had to read it a few times to be sure before I supported it..
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Posted: 1/5/2013 5:03:12 PM EST
[#49]
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Here's a link to the Popvox site for each of the bills. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1415376_.html&page=1&anc=37586002#i37586002 We need to focus on this: https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/113/x101/report#nation its the "common sense" one and we are losing it! |
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Posted: 1/5/2013 5:06:10 PM EST
[#50]
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http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d113:133:./list/bss/d113HR.lst:: H.R.133 Latest Title: To repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 and amendments to that Act. Sponsor: Rep Massie, Thomas [KY-4] (introduced 1/3/2013) Cosponsors (None) Latest Major Action: 1/3/2013 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary. 
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