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Posted: 11/19/2011 1:37:03 PM EST
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Quoted: What? A lot of kabooms lately? Was it really necessary to quote the whole thing? You are absolutely correct. When I quoted, I thought I had deleted (meant to) everything except the last part. I'm not as internet savvy as most of you folks. I do have a lot of other things on my plate other than learning the inter workings of the quoting system. My apologies if it irritated you that much. ETA - I fixed it. Can we be friends now? |
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Posted: 11/19/2011 1:44:10 PM EST
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Having dealt with quite a few glocks, I want to know why you dremeled your barrel or let someone else do it. That barrel with the two shallow notches in the chamber did not come out of Glock's factory.
That said, I hope you learned your lesson, and I'm glad you're ok. |
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Posted: 11/19/2011 2:35:19 PM EST
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Having dealt with quite a few glocks, I want to know why you dremeled your barrel or let someone else do it. That barrel with the two shallow notches in the chamber did not come out of Glock's factory. That said, I hope you learned your lesson, and I'm glad you're ok. 
Either you didn't bother to read the entire thread, or you are a troll. Which is it? At least four other people have posted photos of their chambers that look look identical. Of the Glocks you have dealt with, how many were early 2nd generation Glock 20s? I suspect none. |
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Posted: 11/19/2011 2:36:58 PM EST
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What? A lot of kabooms lately? Was it really necessary to quote the whole thing? You are absolutely correct. When I quoted, I thought I had deleted (meant to) everything except the last part. I'm not as internet savvy as most of you folks. I do have a lot of other things on my plate other than learning the inter workings of the quoting system. My apologies if it irritated you that much. ETA - I fixed it. Can we be friends now? No worries. Some people get off on quoting an entire post in an attempt to preserve a statement. Enough people had already quoted things I stated that it was getting a little old. Sorry I objected so quickly. |
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Posted: 11/19/2011 2:50:33 PM EST
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Haters gonna hate. I trust my life to my 22 (bedside gun) and my 27. Next on the list though is a springfield G.I.
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Posted: 11/19/2011 4:35:25 PM EST
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So after reading all of this, should I get a KKM or LW barrel for the 20SF?
Mountains-carry, using Buff Bore (easier to find online/retail than DT). Thanks |
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Posted: 11/19/2011 5:33:02 PM EST
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So after reading all of this, should I get a KKM or LW barrel for the 20SF? Mountains-carry, using Buff Bore (easier to find online/retail than DT). Thanks Probably not necessary. Do you see any bulges in your brass? What does your chamber look like? Post a photo. |
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Posted: 11/19/2011 5:44:44 PM EST
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So after reading all of this, should I get a KKM or LW barrel for the 20SF? Mountains-carry, using Buff Bore (easier to find online/retail than DT). Thanks i got a Storm Lake barrel. still working up loads but it's pretty damned accurate and a very tight fit. |
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Posted: 11/22/2011 4:02:33 PM EST
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Ok got the rounds in yesterday, and set to work on getting everything cut.. Sorry for bad pics i had to use my iphone.
ok Bullet is pulled and it was a bear to kinetic pull very good crimp, and not a chance of setting this bastard back. See the great crimp grove. 
the charge was a flake powder that measures 9.5 Grs. I had a ventage Norma 10mm from 85 a Midway head stamp from 88. Both were back in the super hot load days. Some dimensions. base to bottom of Web Double tap. .164 Norma .178 Midway .190 Wow Double tap is .014 thinner from base to Bottom of web. ok now side taper on the cases at the base. Double tap. starts at .011 goes to .040 over .367 in length Norma starts at .012 goes to .0330 over .355 in length Midway starts at .012 goes to .040 over .408 in length Where the norma measures .033 The double is a .030 
from bottom to top.. Double, Norma, Midway. So it looks like current production brass is a bit thinner, this would be due to the downloading of the 10mm over the years. I think if its going to get hot loaded Double Tap really needs to go back to the Norma thicknesses, or even the Midway design. So less chance of kabooms in older Glocks. |
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Posted: 11/22/2011 4:11:16 PM EST
[#10]
Back when DT Ammo 10mm will was $17.49 a box, I put close to 10K rounds (all DT)
through a 100% stock G29, sans the Wolf 21lb spring. Zero issues. None. I only sold it because the the ammo was putting me in the poor house. |
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Posted: 11/23/2011 4:29:21 AM EST
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Great photos Mr. McNasty.
[edit] I can't read. The Double Tap is the bottom one. You must have some pretty fancy equipment. Diamond saw? Microscope with graduated eyepiece? Sometimes I wish I still worked at my previous job where I had access to stuff like that. |
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Posted: 11/23/2011 4:31:17 AM EST
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nevermind. I can't read.
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Posted: 11/23/2011 10:44:02 AM EST
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Great photos Mr. McNasty. [edit] I can't read. The Double Tap is the bottom one. You must have some pretty fancy equipment. Diamond saw? Microscope with graduated eyepiece? Sometimes I wish I still worked at my previous job where I had access to stuff like that. Dremmel with cut off wheel, then good Micrometer. 
Ill get out the range and get a few chronoed when the wind breaks.. I had taken the day off to do this but we are getting 40 mph gusts. Oh and I forgot to add. that the rounds are date stamped from 2006. |
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Posted: 11/23/2011 10:55:34 AM EST
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tag
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Posted: 11/23/2011 11:11:04 AM EST
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The replacement barrel purchased in 2008 is stamped L23487
The replacement barrel purchased in 2011 is stamped L23486 
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Posted: 11/23/2011 11:20:22 AM EST
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Great photos Mr. McNasty. [edit] I can't read. The Double Tap is the bottom one. You must have some pretty fancy equipment. Diamond saw? Microscope with graduated eyepiece? Sometimes I wish I still worked at my previous job where I had access to stuff like that. Dremmel with cut off wheel, then good Micrometer.
Ill get out the range and get a few chronoed when the wind breaks.. I had taken the day off to do this but we are getting 40 mph gusts. Oh and I forgot to add. that the rounds are date stamped from 2006. I must have forgotten to post that fact here. Yes, in 2006 I ordered a 'case' of 10 boxes of 50 rounds per box. It isn't plinking ammo, so I have a few boxes left. |
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Posted: 11/23/2011 11:53:23 AM EST
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your pics are almost identical to the failure my g30 had.
that episode left me with a really bad taste in my mouth for glock. |
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Posted: 11/23/2011 1:12:22 PM EST
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WIthout reading the whole thread. Is there anything I need to do to my stock G20 (purchased new around 2006-2007 IIR) to safely shoot double tap. NO problems thus far.
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Posted: 11/23/2011 1:53:02 PM EST
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Quoted: WIthout reading the whole thread. Is there anything I need to do to my stock G20 (purchased new around 2006-2007 IIR) to safely shoot double tap. NO problems thus far. If your fired brass doesn't look 6 months pregnant I think you're good to go. |
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Posted: 11/23/2011 1:54:26 PM EST
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WIthout reading the whole thread. Is there anything I need to do to my stock G20 (purchased new around 2006-2007 IIR) to safely shoot double tap. NO problems thus far. If your fired brass doesn't look 6 months pregnant I think you're good to go. eggzactaly! |
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Posted: 11/23/2011 6:29:03 PM EST
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If these KKM barrels are as reliable as the factory barrels, I might have to pick one up to try out in a Gen 2 Glock 22 I have. It is the only non-GEN 3 Glock I own and I've always been a bit concerned about the lack of chamber support at 6 o' clock on older Glock pistols. That is the only Glock I have that doesn't get much use currently, and yes, that is the reason.
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Posted: 11/24/2011 5:51:55 AM EST
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WIthout reading the whole thread. Is there anything I need to do to my stock G20 (purchased new around 2006-2007 IIR) to safely shoot double tap. NO problems thus far. If your fired brass doesn't look 6 months pregnant I think you're good to go. Thanks for summing up the thread in one sentence. 
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Posted: 11/24/2011 6:21:44 AM EST
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your pics are almost identical to the failure my g30 had. that episode left me with a really bad taste in my mouth for glock. TBS, what ammo were you using and had you seen any deformed cases prior to the KB? |
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Posted: 11/24/2011 7:01:08 AM EST
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as a glock 20 fanboy ...
and a DT fanboy ... thanks for the post |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 7:27:19 AM EST
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OP,
Please let us know if Glock warrants the gun. I have read the first three pages and browsed through the rest. I'm sure they probably have received it and are sitting on it by now. Thanks -Yokam |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 8:15:16 AM EST
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your pics are almost identical to the failure my g30 had. that episode left me with a really bad taste in my mouth for glock. TBS, what ammo were you using and had you seen any deformed cases prior to the KB? hornady xtp, no everything was fine up that point. |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 8:16:27 AM EST
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OP, Please let us know if Glock warrants the gun. I have read the first three pages and browsed through the rest. I'm sure they probably have received it and are sitting on it by now. Thanks -Yokam based on my experience they will offer him a replacement for about 275.00 or for 300 or so they will anaylse the failure for your lawsuit with the ammo manufacturer. prices may be higher since my issue. |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 12:43:30 PM EST
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I'd love to hear comments from people
who gave me crap about not sending it to Glock to begin with. They are sending the slide and barrel back to me with a new frame. 
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Posted: 11/29/2011 12:44:50 PM EST
[#29]
the want to charge you for their piece of shit?
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Posted: 11/29/2011 12:50:25 PM EST
[#30]
Wait.
What 
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Posted: 11/29/2011 12:58:36 PM EST
[#31]
So a glock 20 frame costs $47?
Hmm.... |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 1:02:53 PM EST
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So a glock 20 frame costs $47? Hmm.... I'm assuming that is the cost of the plastic and metal pieces, plus the labor to put all the metal pieces in it. Since it is warranty repair work, they may not be including overhead and or markup in that cost. But we don't have enough info to tell. Either way I think i'd take it without complaint. |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 1:06:47 PM EST
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So a glock 20 frame costs $47? Hmm.... Shaun said they normally charge $xxx, but in this case they reduced the price. How they arrived at $47, I don't understand. I don't remember exactly what price he quoted. It was $150 or $160. I wasn't paying attention to that because I didn't care. I did ask if I could have the frame back, but he said because of the laws involved in the frame exchange, they have to destroy it. (beyond it's current state of destruction) He is going to send me some kind of formal statement of serial number change, since the slide/barrel will no longer match the frame. |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 1:09:46 PM EST
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<<<<<<<<<<< I bought my first. last and only Geelok back in 1992, which promptly blew up. Fuck them. |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 1:10:00 PM EST
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Shaun said they normally charge $xxx, but in this case they reduced the price. How they arrived at $47, I don't understand. I would be interested to know. Betting it's the straight up cost to produce the plastic piece and whatever metal frame components need to be replaced. Do you know if they'll be reusing any metal pieces from your old frame? |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 1:25:19 PM EST
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Shaun said they normally charge $xxx, but in this case they reduced the price. How they arrived at $47, I don't understand. I would be interested to know. Betting it's the straight up cost to produce the plastic piece and whatever metal frame components need to be replaced. Do you know if they'll be reusing any metal pieces from your old frame? No idea at all. He said he would be ordering a frame. He also said I could watch for the charge to be applied to my credit card as an indicator of when it ships. So obviously they aren't simply grabbing any replacement frame off the shelf. So, does that mean swapping parts in the frame? Or do they re-issue the serial number with an extra digit denoting the replacement like they do with barrel/slide exchanges? Custom stamping a serial number probably takes time. |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 1:28:51 PM EST
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the want to charge you for their piece of shit? |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 1:39:43 PM EST
[#38]
Wait does Glock have the gun or someone else?
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Posted: 11/29/2011 1:40:30 PM EST
[#39]
OP, I am glad Glock is taking care of your pistol.
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Posted: 11/29/2011 1:41:11 PM EST
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Wait does Glock have the gun or someone else? Glock does. I assume the Tech Services guy has to order it from a different department. |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 1:58:16 PM EST
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Given OP knowingly fired a suspect barrel that he thought was problematic with visible danger signs, using hot ammo... and blew up the gun instead of sending it in for warranty (or simply tossing the barrel) - I'm saying that Glock really stepped up to the plate here to replace his frame for $47 in parts.
I understand OP's curiosity and all... but to keep firing ammo out of a clearly suspect barrel with those pressure signs is just stupid - and something that should not be bragged about. With that said, there is high educational content in these threads regarding the poor quality control of those barrels, so we have to thank OP for his photos and sharing in his experiences. |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 2:03:42 PM EST
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Quoted:
Given OP knowingly fired a suspect barrel that he thought was problematic with visible danger signs, using hot ammo... and blew up the gun instead of sending it in for warranty (or simply tossing the barrel) - I'm saying that Glock really stepped up to the plate here to replace his frame for $47 in parts. I understand OP's curiosity and all... but to keep firing ammo out of a clearly suspect barrel with those pressure signs is just stupid - and something that should not be bragged about. With that said, there is high educational content in these threads regarding the poor quality control of those barrels, so we have to thank OP for his photos and sharing in his experiences. Couple of points. First, the ammo was not "hot". It was supposedly manufactured within SAAMI specs. edit: I equate it to saying the "standard" 15 round magazine is "high capacity", when in fact it is the normal capacity for that gun. It isn't like some people who go beyond SAAMI specs just because their gun can take it. Nobody using this ammo with a "better" barrel has reported any problems with it. edit: by "better", I mean a 3rd generation Glock barrel, or an aftermarket like KKM, Storm Lake, Wolf, etc. Second, even though I agree with your assessment of the barrel, Glock obviously disagrees as they are sending it back for me to keep using. It might be more accurate to say that ammo was too hot for that barrel. |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 3:09:47 PM EST
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I have a Glock 20 its sitting in my safe until I farm it out to a smith for some Mods.
I did see a Beautiful Kimber Custom II 1911 chambered in 10mm at a local gun shop but it cost 3 times of a Glock 20. 
Funny thing...while I was staring really hard at the Kimber...the salesman kept trying to entire me to buy it, but my mind was on the Smith & Wesson 460 Magnum revolver that was sitting next to the Kimber and it was $100 cheaper. Of course both the 460 Mag and 10mm...means lots of handloading with my press, as Factory Ammo is skyhigh.. but...that S&W... I could shoot 3 calibers out of that thing: 45 Colt, 454 Casull and 460 SW Mag. And it makes the 10mm look like a 22LR |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 3:12:39 PM EST
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I have a Glock 20 its sitting in my safe until I farm it out to a smith for some Mods. I did see a Beautiful Kimber Custom II 1911 chambered in 10mm at a local gun shop but it cost 3 times of a Glock 20.
Funny thing...while I was staring really hard at the Kimber...the salesman kept trying to entire me to buy it, but my mind was on the Smith & Wesson 460 Magnum revolver that was sitting next to the Kimber and it was $100 cheaper. Of course both the 460 Mag and 10mm...means lots of handloading with my press, as Factory Ammo is skyhigh.. but...that S&W... I could shoot 3 calibers out of that thing: 45 Colt, 454 Casull and 460 SW Mag. And it makes the 10mm look like a 22LR Is your Glock a 2nd generation? I'm kind of in the market for one, since my last one experienced some technical difficulties. I've found links to expired auctions for ones that were advertised as unfired. Just waiting for the next one to come around. I have the S&W 500 magnum. I'm not sure how it's recoil compares to the 460, but yeah, the 10mm is a pussycat compared to it. |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 3:18:22 PM EST
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FYI, I decided to find the receipt.
I paid $490 for the G20 on 2/7/1994. So I don't understand the 9-Dec-2005 on Glock's response. I don't know what that means. Interestingly... I paid $390 for a .44 magnum stainless Ruger Redhawk a few months later. The revolver has nearly doubled in price. The Glock, on the other hand, has only gone up about 5%. |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 3:37:15 PM EST
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Tag for follow up
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Posted: 11/29/2011 5:17:27 PM EST
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Quoted:
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Given OP knowingly fired a suspect barrel that he thought was problematic with visible danger signs, using hot ammo... and blew up the gun instead of sending it in for warranty (or simply tossing the barrel) - I'm saying that Glock really stepped up to the plate here to replace his frame for $47 in parts. I understand OP's curiosity and all... but to keep firing ammo out of a clearly suspect barrel with those pressure signs is just stupid - and something that should not be bragged about. With that said, there is high educational content in these threads regarding the poor quality control of those barrels, so we have to thank OP for his photos and sharing in his experiences. Couple of points. First, the ammo was not "hot". It was supposedly manufactured within SAAMI specs. edit: I equate it to saying the "standard" 15 round magazine is "high capacity", when in fact it is the normal capacity for that gun. It isn't like some people who go beyond SAAMI specs just because their gun can take it. Nobody using this ammo with a "better" barrel has reported any problems with it. edit: by "better", I mean a 3rd generation Glock barrel, or an aftermarket like KKM, Storm Lake, Wolf, etc. Second, even though I agree with your assessment of the barrel, Glock obviously disagrees as they are sending it back for me to keep using. It might be more accurate to say that ammo was too hot for that barrel. One point is is not the first time nor will it be the last that Double tap has been out of SAAMI spec. Do a search and you will find plenty of Double TAP issues all over the net. |
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Posted: 11/29/2011 5:20:29 PM EST
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Its good to know Glock is charging to fix it
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Posted: 11/29/2011 5:25:05 PM EST
[#49]
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Having dealt with quite a few glocks, I want to know why you dremeled your barrel or let someone else do it. That barrel with the two shallow notches in the chamber did not come out of Glock's factory. That said, I hope you learned your lesson, and I'm glad you're ok. FUCK! People are still accusing you of fucking with the barrel? Read the damn thread! 
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Posted: 11/30/2011 1:42:33 AM EST
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Tag for follow up I'm not sure how much more follow-up there can be. Glock offered to replace the frame. I called them with my credit card number. They are shipping it directly to me. Not to an FFL. So there must be some way for them to register the new serial number. I suppose a followup could be a photo of the new frame and serial number. |
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