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Posted: 11/30/2011 3:53:50 AM EST

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Tag for follow up

I'm not sure how much more follow-up there can be.
Glock offered to replace the frame. I called them with my credit card number.

They are shipping it directly to me. Not to an FFL.
So there must be some way for them to register the new serial number.

I suppose a followup could be a photo of the new frame and serial number.

I don't believe there is any such thing as 'register the new serial number'.

My guess would be that they are reusing your existing serial on the new frame?

Posted: 11/30/2011 4:30:23 AM EST

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Are you sending some of the DT rounds with the Glock? Then I'd give the rest of the Box to a Lawyer.

Posted: 11/30/2011 4:34:42 AM EST

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Its good to know Glock is charging to fix it

Ok, I thought it was just me, but yea, failure on their part and you're still paying to repair it.

Posted: 11/30/2011 4:36:13 AM EST

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So after reading all of this, should I get a KKM or LW barrel for the 20SF?

Mountains-carry, using Buff Bore (easier to find online/retail than DT).

Thanks

I think if I owned a Glock with a Barrel like what I've seen I would send it back to Glock
for Repair or Replace.

< going to check my 27,26,22,17,33,35 now>

Posted: 11/30/2011 4:39:13 AM EST

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your pics are almost identical to the failure my g30 had.

that episode left me with a really bad taste in my mouth for glock.

Glad It wasn't the Bolt

Posted: 11/30/2011 4:47:58 AM EST

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I bought my first. last and only Geelok back in 1992, which promptly blew up. Fuck them.

Again I've had more problems with Colt 1911s,Double Eagle,Delta Elite than with Glock.

Posted: 11/30/2011 4:49:53 AM EST

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Glad to hear they'll fix it, but now knowing the cost of a Glock frame being about $47, figuring the estimated costs of the rest of the gun parts, I'd guesstimate that it really doesn't cost much more than about $230 to $260 to manufacture a Glock pistol.

That's one heck of a Manufacturer's Mark-Up!

Posted: 11/30/2011 4:54:15 AM EST

[#8]

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Tag for follow up

I'm not sure how much more follow-up there can be.
Glock offered to replace the frame. I called them with my credit card number.

They are shipping it directly to me. Not to an FFL.
So there must be some way for them to register the new serial number.

I suppose a followup could be a photo of the new frame and serial number.

I really hope they Check that Slide for Spec's.

Posted: 11/30/2011 4:59:24 AM EST

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I bought my first. last and only Geelok back in 1992, which promptly blew up. Fuck them.

Again I've had more problems with Colt 1911s,Double Eagle,Delta Elite than with Glock.

Surely you are not saying you have had the 1911 blow up?

I can agree that having a gun blow up in my hand would shake my faith in that brand warrented or not.

Posted: 11/30/2011 5:03:18 AM EST

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Glad to hear they'll fix it, but now knowing the cost of a Glock frame being about $47, figuring the estimated costs of the rest of the gun parts, I'd guesstimate that it really doesn't cost much more than about $230 to $260 to manufacture a Glock pistol.

That's one heck of a Manufacturer's Mark-Up!

Read the thread, they discounted it!

Posted: 11/30/2011 5:08:53 AM EST

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The manufacturing cost per Glock pistol is about $75.

Posted: 11/30/2011 5:14:09 AM EST

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Glock will replace the frame only?

That means they think the level of chamber support in that barrel is groovy?

OK, then. I would heave that barrel into the nearest trashcan (and that lot of DT rounds) and go with your KKM.

I have read your reservations about using a replacement barrel in your carry piece, but frankly I think you are charging a windmill on this one.

Hell, this thread alone would demonstrate that you replaced the barrel due to legitimate safety concerns.

Posted: 11/30/2011 5:18:04 AM EST

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I think if I owned a Glock with a Barrel like what I've seen I would send it back to Glock for Repair or Replace.

Countless people have told me I should have sent it in years ago when Glock originally requested it.

Nobody seems to be commenting on the fact they are returning it to me with the original barrel.

Obviously Glock doesn't see a problem with the barrel.

Posted: 11/30/2011 5:19:04 AM EST

[#14]

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Its good to know Glock is charging to fix it

Ok, I thought it was just me, but yea, failure on their part and you're still paying to repair it.

Charging $47 on a 17 year old gun isn't a bad deal.

Posted: 11/30/2011 5:21:19 AM EST

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I don't believe there is any such thing as 'register the new serial number'.

My guess would be that they are reusing your existing serial on the new frame?

He will receive a new frame with a new serial number. That is what Glock did when the slide rails broke on one of my pistols. What really sucked is that the gun was a former Detroit Police Department gun with "DPD" in the matching serial number on the frame and the slide. I ended up with a new frame and now have a non-matching gun.

Still have Detroit Police Department engraved on the slide and DPD stamped into the high cap magazines.

Posted: 11/30/2011 5:23:39 AM EST

[#16]

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Well done pictures.

Thank you for your sacrifice.

This. Awesome job.

Kindly PM me your home address.

I have a firearm I need you to test.

Thank you very much!

Posted: 11/30/2011 5:46:35 AM EST

[#17]

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<<<<<<<<<<<

I bought my first. last and only Geelok back in 1992, which promptly blew up. Fuck them.

Again I've had more problems with Colt 1911s,Double Eagle,Delta Elite than with Glock.

Surely you are not saying you have had the 1911 blow up?

I can agree that having a gun blow up in my hand would shake my faith in that brand warrented or not.

Nope, Jams,FTF.MF, Grouping at 5" 25yrds,
No KB's yet.

Posted: 11/30/2011 5:49:13 AM EST

[#18]

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Glad to hear they'll fix it, but now knowing the cost of a Glock frame being about $47, figuring the estimated costs of the rest of the gun parts, I'd guesstimate that it really doesn't cost much more than about $230 to $260 to manufacture a Glock pistol.

That's one heck of a Manufacturer's Mark-Up!

Read the thread, they discounted it!

Bummer...

Good they discounted it, but I was seriously hoping!

Posted: 11/30/2011 5:50:40 AM EST

[#19]

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I don't believe there is any such thing as 'register the new serial number'.

My guess would be that they are reusing your existing serial on the new frame?

He will receive a new frame with a new serial number. That is what Glock did when the slide rails broke on one of my pistols. What really sucked is that the gun was a former Detroit Police Department gun with "DPD" in the matching serial number on the frame and the slide. I ended up with a new frame and now have a non-matching gun.

Still have Detroit Police Department engraved on the slide and DPD stamped into the high cap magazines.

Interesting, I didn't think that could happen without an FFL transfer. Bummer about your 'DPD' gun.

Posted: 11/30/2011 6:36:34 AM EST

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Someone dicked with that feed ramp. Someone.

I found a photo of another 2nd generation G20 barrel that looked identical.

While it is possible the dealer sold me a used gun as a new one, I believe it was new. And I believe the barrel came from the factory that way.

I would say you got a used gun at the price/time you stated above. I bought my first G17 from Wal-Mart in 93 at the best price in all of Phoenix for $499.

Posted: 11/30/2011 6:43:24 AM EST

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Someone dicked with that feed ramp. Someone.

I found a photo of another 2nd generation G20 barrel that looked identical.

While it is possible the dealer sold me a used gun as a new one, I believe it was new. And I believe the barrel came from the factory that way.

I would say you got a used gun at the price/time you stated above. I bought my first G17 from Wal-Mart in 93 at the best price in all of Phoenix for $499.

I can buy a new G17 for less than $499 today.
In fact, I believe I can show a receipt for one I bought a year ago for $495.
Prices were the same at the last gun show the dealer was at.
(That's right. Gun show prices kicked Wal-Mart's ass)

I don't think it is possible that the 10mm was used based on the date on the receipt, and the date of manufactur based on the serial number.

The dealer I bought it from claimed to only charge 10% over cost.

I bought a new G17 with adjustable rear sight from the same dealer in 1993, and it's receipt indicates it was $463.

Posted: 11/30/2011 6:49:47 AM EST

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I think if I owned a Glock with a Barrel like what I've seen I would send it back to Glock for Repair or Replace.

Countless people have told me I should have sent it in years ago when Glock originally requested it.

Nobody seems to be commenting on the fact they are returning it to me with the original barrel.

Obviously Glock doesn't see a problem with the barrel.

I would nor be surprised if Glock sent the pistol back with a new barrel, but never says anything about it.

Posted: 11/30/2011 7:00:47 AM EST

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I think if I owned a Glock with a Barrel like what I've seen I would send it back to Glock for Repair or Replace.

Countless people have told me I should have sent it in years ago when Glock originally requested it.

Nobody seems to be commenting on the fact they are returning it to me with the original barrel.

Obviously Glock doesn't see a problem with the barrel.

I would nor be surprised if Glock sent the pistol back with a new barrel, but never says anything about it.

I'd have egg on my face if they did that.

I actually hope I get the original barrel back. I have a factory replacement and a KKM to chose from.

Posted: 11/30/2011 7:19:17 AM EST

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Its good to know Glock is charging to fix it

Ok, I thought it was just me, but yea, failure on their part and you're still paying to repair it.

Charging $47 on a 17 year old gun isn't a bad deal.

Charging someone to fix your fuckup after it causes them injury? Yea, I'd say that deal is great!

Atleast with a 1911 you have a choice of whether or not to be fucked by CS.

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Posted: 11/30/2011 7:36:36 AM EST

[#25]

Yeah, I almost did that with a glock of the same age.

My dad got his G20 and started handloading for hunting. He let me shoot it.

The loads he was testing had been show to function fine the week previously, at around 70 degrees. That weekend it was 95, and I fired three rounds. I quit shooting and put the gun away when I noticed that the cases were bulged identically to yours. Dad lowered the power charge by half a grain and all is well.

The key is stop shooting when the brass bulges. God damn.

Posted: 11/30/2011 8:06:43 AM EST

[#26]

Not a Glock fan, but 47.00 is not bad for fixing the gun.

Posted: 11/30/2011 8:10:11 AM EST

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Its good to know Glock is charging to fix it

Ok, I thought it was just me, but yea, failure on their part and you're still paying to repair it.

Perfection!

Posted: 11/30/2011 8:16:12 AM EST

[#28]

What a bargain! They only charge you 48 dollars and send back your bad barrel so it can do it all over again.

Posted: 11/30/2011 8:50:39 AM EST

[#29]

It is time to send the remaining ammunition to be pressure tested.

It seems that Glock does not believe the problem was with the barrel, and without pressure testing of the ammunition, there is no evidence to prove them incorrect.

Posted: 11/30/2011 8:53:50 AM EST

[#30]

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It is time to send the remaining ammunition to be pressure tested.

It seems that Glock does not believe the problem was with the barrel, and without pressure testing of the ammunition, there is no evidence to prove them incorrect.

Send it to who?

And is it really worth the effort if I don't intend to use the original barrel again regardless what ammo I use from now on?

Posted: 11/30/2011 10:16:52 AM EST

[#31]

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<<<<<<<<<<<

I bought my first. last and only Geelok back in 1992, which promptly blew up. Fuck them.

Again I've had more problems with Colt 1911s,Double Eagle,Delta Elite than with Glock.

Surely you are not saying you have had the 1911 blow up?

I can agree that having a gun blow up in my hand would shake my faith in that brand warrented or not.

Nope, Jams,FTF.MF, Grouping at 5" 25yrds,
No KB's yet.

You need a different hobby.... How about knitting

Posted: 11/30/2011 10:30:34 AM EST

[#32]

ok got to the range today.. and test fired them in my gun (colt delta factory non ramped barrel). and there is a tiny bit of a bulge, you really have to look for it. slight primer flattening. but no where near as flat as my hot loads i fired in the same session.

Its the brass that DT is using. it needs a bit thicker Web for the pressures that they are running.. and to be compatible with glocks old style ramping jobs.

Posted: 11/30/2011 11:42:10 AM EST

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ok got to the range today.. and test fired them in my gun (colt delta factory non ramped barrel). and there is a tiny bit of a bulge, you really have to look for it. slight primer flattening. but no where near as flat as my hot loads i fired in the same session.

Its the brass that DT is using. it needs a bit thicker Web for the pressures that they are running.. and to be compatible with glocks old style ramping jobs.

Safe to use with a KKM barrel?

Posted: 11/30/2011 11:43:19 AM EST

[#34]

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ok got to the range today.. and test fired them in my gun (colt delta factory non ramped barrel). and there is a tiny bit of a bulge, you really have to look for it. slight primer flattening. but no where near as flat as my hot loads i fired in the same session.

Its the brass that DT is using. it needs a bit thicker Web for the pressures that they are running.. and to be compatible with glocks old style ramping jobs.

Safe to use with a KKM barrel?

yes. no prob with the KKM barrel..

Posted: 11/30/2011 11:50:18 AM EST

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Yeah, I almost did that with a glock of the same age.

My dad got his G20 and started handloading for hunting. He let me shoot it.

The loads he was testing had been show to function fine the week previously, at around 70 degrees. That weekend it was 95, and I fired three rounds. I quit shooting and put the gun away when I noticed that the cases were bulged identically to yours. Dad lowered the power charge by half a grain and all is well.

The key is stop shooting when the brass bulges. God damn.

Some powders are more temp sensitive than others, IIRC.

Guys over in the Reloading Forum (AeroE, etc) could comment on the powder he used.

Posted: 11/30/2011 12:29:03 PM EST

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It is time to send the remaining ammunition to be pressure tested.

It seems that Glock does not believe the problem was with the barrel, and without pressure testing of the ammunition, there is no evidence to prove them incorrect.

Send it to who?

And is it really worth the effort if I don't intend to use the original barrel again regardless what ammo I use from now on?

I have sent shotgun shells to Tom Armbrust for pressure testing. (Handloads for 19th century SxS's) I do not know if he has a 10mm pressure barrel but Google should turn up his information. If he can't do it, I suspect he knows who could.

Is it worth it? Probably not, I am just curious and thought I would point out that without pressure information, it is just speculation as to the cause.

Posted: 11/30/2011 12:38:52 PM EST

[#37]

My hand looked just like that after my G21sf blew up last November 2010. ATI factory reloads were double charged. Flattened primers, and all, really flat too.

They paid for my Glock repair $172.00 for a new barrel, and complete new lower receiver with everything.

Gun shop sent it, and another guy's that got ka-boomed to glock that week in November, and he, and I didn't get it back until this past June of 2011.

OP hopefully might get his back sooner than I did, or be in for a long 6 month wait too.

Been shooting mine now with no disasters, except for a couple of FTF's after getting it back, which never happened before. Hasn't happened since the first range session after getting it back from Glock, but every time I read another thread like this, I think about trading it, and never looking back! My 1911's are my carry and go to guns anyway.

Posted: 11/30/2011 1:56:00 PM EST

[#38]

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It is time to send the remaining ammunition to be pressure tested.

It seems that Glock does not believe the problem was with the barrel, and without pressure testing of the ammunition, there is no evidence to prove them incorrect.

Send it to who?

And is it really worth the effort if I don't intend to use the original barrel again regardless what ammo I use from now on?

I have sent shotgun shells to Tom Armbrust for pressure testing. (Handloads for 19th century SxS's) I do not know if he has a 10mm pressure barrel but Google should turn up his information. If he can't do it, I suspect he knows who could.

Is it worth it? Probably not, I am just curious and thought I would point out that without pressure information, it is just speculation as to the cause.

Yeah... but a pressure test won't prove the brass case is any good.

Posted: 11/30/2011 2:04:44 PM EST

[#39]

i sure the hell would not have put rounds through a barrel that was obviously fucked up... you can easily see the region that is too low, causing the case bulge.

wth?

glad you were not hurt worse.

Posted: 11/30/2011 2:09:19 PM EST

[#40]

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OP, I am glad Glock is taking care of your pistol.

Posted: 11/30/2011 2:10:26 PM EST

[#41]

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i sure the hell would not have put rounds through a barrel that was obviously fucked up... you can easily see the region that is too low, causing the case bulge.

wth?

glad you were not hurt worse.

The COC obviously didn't take into account people like you.

Posted: 11/30/2011 2:19:36 PM EST

[#42]

Is it OK to call all parties stupid in this case?

DT for probably loading out of spec ammo

Glock for putting out barrels with the proclivity to blow up, and charging to fix damage from said blow up

The OP for pretty much all of his actions in this case. WHY DIDN'T YOU SEND ANY OF THE AMMO TO GLOCK?

Posted: 11/30/2011 2:24:57 PM EST

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I think if I owned a Glock with a Barrel like what I've seen I would send it back to Glock for Repair or Replace.

Countless people have told me I should have sent it in years ago when Glock originally requested it.

Nobody seems to be commenting on the fact they are returning it to me with the original barrel.

Obviously Glock doesn't see a problem with the barrel.

So are you going to shoot with the original barrel until you get another kaboom?

Posted: 11/30/2011 2:31:26 PM EST

[#44]

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I think if I owned a Glock with a Barrel like what I've seen I would send it back to Glock for Repair or Replace.

Countless people have told me I should have sent it in years ago when Glock originally requested it.

Nobody seems to be commenting on the fact they are returning it to me with the original barrel.

Obviously Glock doesn't see a problem with the barrel.

So are you going to shoot with the original barrel until you get another kaboom?

What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same test over and over in hopes of getting a different result, or something like that?

No, if the gun is returned with the original barrel, that barrel will go back in it's box, and either the KKM or factory replacement will go in the gun.

Posted: 11/30/2011 2:36:25 PM EST

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Is it OK to call all parties stupid in this case?

DT for probably loading out of spec ammo

Glock for putting out barrels with the proclivity to blow up, and charging to fix damage from said blow up

The OP for pretty much all of his actions in this case. WHY DIDN'T YOU SEND ANY OF THE AMMO TO GLOCK?

Hey genius, do think it is smart to ship live ammo with a gun, regardless of the condition of the gun?

I told Glock there was plenty of ammo. I told Glock to contact me for any reason. They didn't.
I believe it is safe to assume they wouldn't bother testing the ammo.

Posted: 11/30/2011 2:41:25 PM EST

[#46]

I thought Glock had a lifetime warranty so why are they charging you? Maybe it's just on their new stuff.

Did they x-ray the slide to determine it wasn't damaged? Do you know if Glock is going to replace the frame with one from another 2nd gen or will they upgrade it to the 3rd? I would be angry with myself for not sending the gun back to Glock when you first noticed the case buldge because it would saved the cost of the replacement barrel and frame damage but hindsight is 20/20.

Posted: 11/30/2011 2:47:57 PM EST

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I thought Glock had a lifetime warranty so why are they charging you? Maybe it's just on their new stuff.

Did they x-ray the slide to determine it wasn't damaged? Do you know if Glock is going to replace the frame with one from another 2nd gen or will they upgrade it to the 3rd? I would be angry with myself for not sending the gun back to Glock when you first noticed the case buldge because it would saved the cost of the replacement barrel and frame damage but hindsight is 20/20.

Ummm... If they are only replacing the frame, they must think the barrel is fine. Which means they likely would have thought it was fine years ago.
So even if I would have sent the gun in, I would have likely still had the explosion.

Nothing was said about which frame would be used.
I said I wanted something as close to original as possible.

If they can provide a second generation frame, great!
If 3rd generation, I told them I want a standard size frame, with the Glock accessory rail, and non-ambidextrous magazine release.

Posted: 11/30/2011 2:50:29 PM EST

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so you put back in a barrel that was unsupported, and knowing that fired it?

WOW just WOW..

Well it was the ORIGINAL factory barrel AND the previous case showed no bulge so just where did he make a mistake?

Was it in trusting a factory GLOCK barrel?

Seems to me you should be able to do that without having the thing KABOOM in your hand!

Glock in 9mm I figure is good to go... but I wouldn't buy any Glock in .40 cal. or larger since every piece of .40 cal. + size brass I find with the Glock firing pin mark IS bulged.

Thats why I go Sig Sauer when I want more power!

Posted: 11/30/2011 3:02:24 PM EST

[#49]

Man 10mm is powerful

Posted: 11/30/2011 3:10:53 PM EST

[#50]

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I thought Glock had a lifetime warranty so why are they charging you? Maybe it's just on their new stuff.

Did they x-ray the slide to determine it wasn't damaged? Do you know if Glock is going to replace the frame with one from another 2nd gen or will they upgrade it to the 3rd? I would be angry with myself for not sending the gun back to Glock when you first noticed the case buldge because it would saved the cost of the replacement barrel and frame damage but hindsight is 20/20.

Ummm... If they are only replacing the frame, they must think the barrel is fine. Which means they likely would have thought it was fine years ago.
So even if I would have sent the gun in, I would have likely still had the explosion.

Nothing was said about which frame would be used.
I said I wanted something as close to original as possible.

If they can provide a second generation frame, great!
If 3rd generation, I told them I want a standard size frame, with the Glock accessory rail, and non-ambidextrous magazine release.

I see your logic as well. I haven't read through all of the posts but did you mention the barrel to them when you sent it in? Seems that they're fixed on blaming the ammo if that's the case to remove their liabliity. Good luck on getting the frame that you want.

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