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Posted: 2/20/2023 8:34:27 AM EDT
[#1]
Since member BUFFMAN has alot of knowledge on this subject as well as the 22 magnum, what is your opinion on the 22magnum out of the PMR30? Is it reliable pistol with the lighter 30-35grain pills? How about the heavier 45-50grainers??
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Posted: 2/20/2023 4:13:55 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Since member BUFFMAN has alot of knowledge on this subject as well as the 22 magnum, what is your opinion on the 22magnum out of the PMR30? Is it reliable pistol with the lighter 30-35grain pills? How about the heavier 45-50grainers??  22 Mag Equal To 5.7x28mm? Speer Gold Dot 40gr JHP |
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Posted: 2/20/2023 8:59:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since member BUFFMAN has alot of knowledge on this subject as well as the 22 magnum, what is your opinion on the 22magnum out of the PMR30? Is it reliable pistol with the lighter 30-35grain pills? How about the heavier 45-50grainers?? I've heard good things reliability wise about the new Walther .22 Mag, although capacity is 'only' 15rd. But as Buffman mentioned, Rimfire is always dicey reliability wise compared to centerfire. |
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Posted: 2/20/2023 11:12:52 PM EDT
[#4]
True. The capacity of the PMR is a selling point.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:39:54 AM EDT
[#5]
Now. What’s the best ammo can for these small boxes! The regular 50 I can tell you does not allow the best fit. It needs to me about an inch wider to stack these tight like a puzzle . I’m hoping to find a tall or fat 50 to see if those are better.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:55:46 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Like your opinion on this and so many other matters.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Useless Like your opinion on this and so many other matters. @Ben What are your thoughts on the caliber and platforms? I had a PS90 years ago that I ended up selling as the ammo availability and prices really limited it for me. I've always regretted it as it was such cool, handy rifle that was so pleasant to shoot. I keep toying with getting another. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 6:40:05 PM EDT
[#7]
I like the the looks idea behind the CMMG banshee 5.7
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Posted: 3/3/2023 8:10:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like the the looks idea behind the CMMG banshee 5.7 Lol at the CMMG Dissent, it's bufferless. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 12:52:45 PM EDT
[#9]
Ok
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Posted: 3/4/2023 1:00:48 PM EDT
[#10]
Are we saying FN red box is superior to the Speer gold dots?
Link to in stock Red box? |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 1:06:56 PM EDT
[#11]
Not much different then the 22TCM round! Fun to shoot but otherwise....
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Posted: 3/9/2023 11:14:03 PM EDT
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Buffman- you’re the expert on this round. What’s the perfect barrel length for this 5.7 round? I’m thinking of doing a TC encore or contender carbine. Have you ever tested this round in a closed breach system like the TC’s?
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Posted: 3/10/2023 1:41:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Ben What are your thoughts on the caliber and platforms? I had a PS90 years ago that I ended up selling as the ammo availability and prices really limited it for me. I've always regretted it as it was such cool, handy rifle that was so pleasant to shoot. I keep toying with getting another. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Useless Like your opinion on this and so many other matters. @Ben What are your thoughts on the caliber and platforms? I had a PS90 years ago that I ended up selling as the ammo availability and prices really limited it for me. I've always regretted it as it was such cool, handy rifle that was so pleasant to shoot. I keep toying with getting another. People often make the mistake of trying to apply a PDW system (the cartridge and platforms that fire it, both) to tasks or standards it was never meant for. Let's put things in perspective. Yes, the 5.7 is a small round. It also has a much better ballistic coefficient than most rounds fired from a handgun. At 100y, the 5.7x28mm SS198LF round (so we are sticking to standard FN ammunition you can buy, not even addressing the better ammunition options from some manufacturers) has roughly 125% of the energy that a .38 Special has at the muzzle. It has the same effects at 250y with SS198LF ammunition that a .22LR 40grn projectile from a 10/22 has at less than 50 yards. I saw a local dude shot with one in the hip by a shooter several buildings down from him in Africa, and it not only dropped him instantly, but he was very dead before we got around to trying to render him aid a few minutes later. Now- keep in mind that it has low recoil, and thus increased hit probability, coupled with excellent capacity. I am a pretty good pistol shooter- well above average, I have several leg medals towards distinguished in service pistol...meaning I'm consistently better than 90% of people who are competitive service pistol shooters. I would not place money on myself with my service pistol against an untrained monkey with a P90. That all said, it is meant as a PDW. A personal defense weapon. It was not meant to replace carbines or rifles. It was designed and meant to be used when you needed a compact weapon, easy to stow away, and for which you could carry significant amounts of ammunition that are sufficiently lethal to be utilized defensively at 200m (220y) and less. For vehicle crews, helicopter crews, or someone who needs a go bag gun in their truck that fits into a small inconspicuous backpack (I highly recommend a truck vault/lock box if you do this) it is fantastic. @Dissident |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 2:09:36 AM EDT
[#14]
I’ll admit I didn’t surf all four pages of this thread, so someone might have answered thusly. I have nothing against the 5.7, but one can get effectively the same performance with the .22 TCM. Perhaps not as projectile friendly but more reloading friendly. Although the TCM does take a capacity hit because of its larger diameter, the parent company makes conversion kits for the Glock 17 and 19.
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Posted: 3/10/2023 2:15:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll admit I didn’t surf all four pages of this thread, so someone might have answered thusly. I have nothing against the 5.7, but one can get effectively the same performance with the .22 TCM. Perhaps not as projectile friendly but more reloading friendly. Although the TCM does take a capacity hit because of its larger diameter, the parent company makes conversion kits for the Glock 17 and 19. Too bad you'll never find .22 TCM on store shelves, and handloading components are basically a wash between the two. Also the part where bullet design is a huge factor in terminal performance. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 2:26:20 AM EDT
[#16]
Back, when my pistol was a pistol and not a SBR, I carried these two concealed. Had one reload for the Rock and two for the Banshee. Both shoot awesomely. And I can put lots of rounds down range in a very light package.
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Posted: 3/10/2023 2:34:40 AM EDT
[#17]
I like the round and have both a Five-seveN and a PS90.
I can put 25 rounds into a fist sized group at 25m with a PS90 standing unsupported. I can’t do that with an AR-15 or a Tavor. I also have no issues reloading 5.7x28. 
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Posted: 3/10/2023 2:41:51 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Back, when my pistol was a pistol and not a SBR, I carried these two concealed. Had one reload for the Rock and two for the Banshee. Both shoot awesomely. And I can put lots of rounds down range in a very light package. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/185372/5F30AF78-FDA1-451B-A121-9ACD73969E97_jpe-2740213.JPG Re: the top gun, define "concealed" 
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Posted: 3/10/2023 9:56:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People often make the mistake of trying to apply a PDW system (the cartridge and platforms that fire it, both) to tasks or standards it was never meant for. Let's put things in perspective. Yes, the 5.7 is a small round. It also has a much better ballistic coefficient than most rounds fired from a handgun. At 100y, the 5.7x28mm SS198LF round (so we are sticking to standard FN ammunition you can buy, not even addressing the better ammunition options from some manufacturers) has roughly 125% of the energy that a .38 Special has at the muzzle. It has the same effects at 250y with SS198LF ammunition that a .22LR 40grn projectile from a 10/22 has at less than 50 yards. I saw a local dude shot with one in the hip by a shooter several buildings down from him in Africa, and it not only dropped him instantly, but he was very dead before we got around to trying to render him aid a few minutes later. Now- keep in mind that it has low recoil, and thus increased hit probability, coupled with excellent capacity. I am a pretty good pistol shooter- well above average, I have several leg medals towards distinguished in service pistol...meaning I'm consistently better than 90% of people who are competitive service pistol shooters. I would not place money on myself with my service pistol against an untrained monkey with a P90. That all said, it is meant as a PDW. A personal defense weapon. It was not meant to replace carbines or rifles. It was designed and meant to be used when you needed a compact weapon, easy to stow away, and for which you could carry significant amounts of ammunition that are sufficiently lethal to be utilized defensively at 200m (220y) and less. For vehicle crews, helicopter crews, or someone who needs a go bag gun in their truck that fits into a small inconspicuous backpack (I highly recommend a truck vault/lock box if you do this) it is fantastic. @Dissident Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Useless Like your opinion on this and so many other matters. @Ben What are your thoughts on the caliber and platforms? I had a PS90 years ago that I ended up selling as the ammo availability and prices really limited it for me. I've always regretted it as it was such cool, handy rifle that was so pleasant to shoot. I keep toying with getting another. People often make the mistake of trying to apply a PDW system (the cartridge and platforms that fire it, both) to tasks or standards it was never meant for. Let's put things in perspective. Yes, the 5.7 is a small round. It also has a much better ballistic coefficient than most rounds fired from a handgun. At 100y, the 5.7x28mm SS198LF round (so we are sticking to standard FN ammunition you can buy, not even addressing the better ammunition options from some manufacturers) has roughly 125% of the energy that a .38 Special has at the muzzle. It has the same effects at 250y with SS198LF ammunition that a .22LR 40grn projectile from a 10/22 has at less than 50 yards. I saw a local dude shot with one in the hip by a shooter several buildings down from him in Africa, and it not only dropped him instantly, but he was very dead before we got around to trying to render him aid a few minutes later. Now- keep in mind that it has low recoil, and thus increased hit probability, coupled with excellent capacity. I am a pretty good pistol shooter- well above average, I have several leg medals towards distinguished in service pistol...meaning I'm consistently better than 90% of people who are competitive service pistol shooters. I would not place money on myself with my service pistol against an untrained monkey with a P90. That all said, it is meant as a PDW. A personal defense weapon. It was not meant to replace carbines or rifles. It was designed and meant to be used when you needed a compact weapon, easy to stow away, and for which you could carry significant amounts of ammunition that are sufficiently lethal to be utilized defensively at 200m (220y) and less. For vehicle crews, helicopter crews, or someone who needs a go bag gun in their truck that fits into a small inconspicuous backpack (I highly recommend a truck vault/lock box if you do this) it is fantastic. @Dissident Thank you. @Ben |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 10:29:41 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People often make the mistake of trying to apply a PDW system (the cartridge and platforms that fire it, both) to tasks or standards it was never meant for. Let's put things in perspective. Yes, the 5.7 is a small round. It also has a much better ballistic coefficient than most rounds fired from a handgun. At 100y, the 5.7x28mm SS198LF round (so we are sticking to standard FN ammunition you can buy, not even addressing the better ammunition options from some manufacturers) has roughly 125% of the energy that a .38 Special has at the muzzle. It has the same effects at 250y with SS198LF ammunition that a .22LR 40grn projectile from a 10/22 has at less than 50 yards. I saw a local dude shot with one in the hip by a shooter several buildings down from him in Africa, and it not only dropped him instantly, but he was very dead before we got around to trying to render him aid a few minutes later. Now- keep in mind that it has low recoil, and thus increased hit probability, coupled with excellent capacity. I am a pretty good pistol shooter- well above average, I have several leg medals towards distinguished in service pistol...meaning I'm consistently better than 90% of people who are competitive service pistol shooters. I would not place money on myself with my service pistol against an untrained monkey with a P90. That all said, it is meant as a PDW. A personal defense weapon. It was not meant to replace carbines or rifles. It was designed and meant to be used when you needed a compact weapon, easy to stow away, and for which you could carry significant amounts of ammunition that are sufficiently lethal to be utilized defensively at 200m (220y) and less. For vehicle crews, helicopter crews, or someone who needs a go bag gun in their truck that fits into a small inconspicuous backpack (I highly recommend a truck vault/lock box if you do this) it is fantastic. @Dissident Thank you. What about it's performance in a handgun such as the Five-SeveN? |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 12:09:54 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you. What about it's performance in a handgun such as the Five-SeveN? Something around 20% loss of energy going to a pistol. Which means at 100y a 5.7mm pistol is roughly equivalent to (though not 125% better than) a .38spl at the muzzle. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 11:54:32 PM EDT
[#22]
I love my new S&W 5.7! Awesome
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Posted: 3/17/2023 7:03:08 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love my new S&W 5.7! Awesome @DOG556 Care to give details on it? Been looking at one, but a couple instances of reported baffle strikes on suppressors has me wary. |
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Posted: 3/25/2023 11:43:12 AM EDT
[#24]
Sure. What do you want to know!???
It just runs! I have FN and Federal ammo. Saving the FN ammo so shot mostly the Red Box American Eagle. It just goes bang every time. I did use a Holoson 407K. Direct mount. The screws did not fit. Called CHPWS and they had me screws in two days. I love it. |
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Posted: 3/25/2023 11:45:17 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure. What do you want to know!??? It just runs! I have FN and Federal ammo. Saving the FN ammo so shot mostly the Red Box American Eagle. It just goes bang every time. I did use a Holoson 407K. Direct mount. The screws did not fit. Called CHPWS and they had me screws in two days. I love it. Have you used a suppressor on it? Any issues with baffle strikes? |
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Posted: 4/11/2023 10:14:53 PM EDT
[#26]
No.
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Posted: 4/12/2023 8:36:49 AM EDT
[#27]
I'm looking at alignment issues with cans on my S&W. I think it's because the threads are WAY too long for most all .22 cans at .600"~ vs .400"~ So rimfire cans are indexing off the end of the muzzle
[youtube]shorts/D0yyRQRR4rk[/youtube] |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 9:13:56 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm looking at alignment issues with cans on my S&W. I think it's because the threads are WAY too long for most all .22 cans at .600"~ vs .400"~ So rimfire cans are indexing off the end of the muzzle  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/D0yyRQRR4rkAh, that makes sense. They're cutting them to rifle length specs instead of pistol length. SiCo, and I'm sure others, make a spacer to deal with issues like this. SiCo 1/2x28 Rimfire Rifle Thread Spacer for .22 LR Suppressors AC114 ETA: posted before I watched the video where you specifically mention the SiCo spacer. Well played 
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Posted: 4/12/2023 9:20:06 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah, that makes sense. They're cutting them to rifle length specs instead of pistol length. SiCo, and I'm sure others, make a spacer to deal with issues like this. SiCo 1/2x28 Rimfire Rifle Thread Spacer for .22 LR Suppressors AC114 ETA: posted before I watched the video where you specifically mention the SiCo spacer. Well played I had another S&W user report that the 62gr Fiocchi subs are keyholing out of their gun. It's something that a lot of people don't check either. |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 9:38:40 AM EDT
[#30]
What I would like to see is a mini bolt action made in this caliber for youth hunting. 16” threaded barrel and a stock that can grow with kids. I would have my young sons using it for yotes, javelina etc.
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Posted: 4/12/2023 9:48:35 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What I would like to see is a mini bolt action made in this caliber for youth hunting. 16" threaded barrel and a stock that can grow with kids. I would have my young sons using it for yotes, javelina etc. |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 9:59:07 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: someone said a bolt gun 5.7 isn't viable because of the increased pressure the case would see from a locked bolt, but I wonder if the guy is just blowing smoke. Savage was going to make a bolt gun, but they never made production. Bogus info. Pressure won't be any higher and the case would remain supported. |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 10:05:31 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bogus info. Pressure won't be any higher and the case would remain supported. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: someone said a bolt gun 5.7 isn't viable because of the increased pressure the case would see from a locked bolt, but I wonder if the guy is just blowing smoke. Savage was going to make a bolt gun, but they never made production. Bogus info. Pressure won't be any higher and the case would remain supported. Yeah, that makes no sense. Leaving it supported and not worrying about timing the action unlocking would let us take it to even higher pressures. Add in long loading bullets to take advantage of chambers cut slightly longer and we could even stay in the same chamber pressure area while picking up some speed. I can't think of a single cartridge that can't be pushed faster/higher pressure in a bolt or other manually unlocked action compared to a semi. |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 10:15:44 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bogus info. Pressure won't be any higher and the case would remain supported. |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 10:28:47 AM EDT
[#35]
Seems everybody is making 5.7 for the wrong platforms.
Full length rifles seems a huge waste of the cartridge, but thats all the industry seems to be producing. A ruger 5.7 charger? Sub2k format? Fuck yes, but no. Full sized pistols? Okay, but why? Thats a crowded space with a lot of "good enough". The round begs for a conceal carry format. Small frame, light pistol with a really high capacity. The round suffers from a massive lack of playform innovation. |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 11:19:16 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems everybody is making 5.7 for the wrong platforms. Full length rifles seems a huge waste of the cartridge, but thats all the industry seems to be producing. A ruger 5.7 charger? Sub2k format? Fuck yes, but no. Full sized pistols? Okay, but why? Thats a crowded space with a lot of "good enough". The round begs for a conceal carry format. Small frame, light pistol with a really high capacity. The round suffers from a massive lack of playform innovation. The brace nonsense has probably stifled any Charger-like 10" barreled pistols with a section of pic rail on the back. The pistols need the longer barrel to get the speed in order to avoid being "barely better than 22 WMR" or whatever guntubers would compare it to. I thought PSA was working on a compact/G19-sized 5.7 pistol to compliment their full sized Rock. |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 11:45:14 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The brace nonsense has probably stifled any Charger-like 10" barreled pistols with a section of pic rail on the back. The pistols need the longer barrel to get the speed in order to avoid being "barely better than 22 WMR" or whatever guntubers would compare it to. I thought PSA was working on a compact/G19-sized 5.7 pistol to compliment their full sized Rock. PSA is and or is was. They hoped to have enough juice in the AAC load, that the barrel loss with would still equal velocities the 5" barrel would get with normal ammo. They still need to improve their loadings. |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 3:58:52 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems everybody is making 5.7 for the wrong platforms. Full length rifles seems a huge waste of the cartridge, but thats all the industry seems to be producing. A ruger 5.7 charger? Sub2k format? Fuck yes, but no.  Laughs in P50 |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 4:24:21 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People Keep saying a PMR30 or Walther WMP22mag is just as good ballistically. 22WMR from a 5" barrel per BBI (40gr CCI): 1474 FPS 5.7 from a 4.8" barrel FN 57 (40gr Federal): 1655 FPS They're not the same, but the argument is a lot closer than I ever thought it was until I actually looked up the numbers! I will say I've shot small game with a 22 WMR (Rifle) and a 40 cal handgun and the 22 WMR had significantly more killing power in medium sized game (smaller than coyotes). I had several raccoons and possums walk away after shot with a handgun round, never that I can recall with a 22 WMR. |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 9:23:37 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote History |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 9:31:21 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Until a case failure happens because the straight blowback is putting too much stress on the cases.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Until a case failure happens because the straight blowback is putting too much stress on the cases.. Link to this occurrence? ...and if you'd kept the quote string it would be obvious this was in response to the poster claiming there were no such firearms being made, not a claim of the P50 as the end-all/be-all firearm. (Absent widespread evidence of issues, I personally have zero qualms about trusting Kel-Tec engineering.) |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 10:49:58 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Link to this occurrence? ...and if you'd kept the quote string it would be obvious this was in response to the poster claiming there were no such firearms being made, not a claim of the P50 as the end-all/be-all firearm. (Absent widespread evidence of issues, I personally have zero qualms about trusting Kel-Tec engineering.)  KelTec, P50; The Small And Mighty 5.7x28mm Handgun! |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 11:00:08 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Indeed, no disagreement about not having firearms meeting the criteria :D 14:15 ish into my review for the KB! Sheared case necks are not uncommon in 5.7, but it's only happened recently in the P50. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbOz04r7GEU Heh. slam dunk answer. The p90 has a very fancy system (from an engineering standpoint) to prevent it being direct blow back. |
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Posted: 4/13/2023 12:22:22 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems everybody is making 5.7 for the wrong platforms. Full length rifles seems a huge waste of the cartridge, but thats all the industry seems to be producing. A ruger 5.7 charger? Sub2k format? Fuck yes, but no. Full sized pistols? Okay, but why? Thats a crowded space with a lot of "good enough". The round begs for a conceal carry format. Small frame, light pistol with a really high capacity. The round suffers from a massive lack of playform innovation. Using straight blowback is lack of innovation. Blow back sucks in every way. At least the Diamond back dual piston is innovative. I don’t like how there isn’t a shoulder for a can though. |
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